marlborocowboy92 1 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 How good of a weapon would a saiga be in a shit hits the fan scenario? My plan thus far is to shoot a total of 1k rounds through here to break her in and then put her away unless I need her... thus arises the question. If I were to do this what would be the best way to prevent rust? I already coat her with clp when not in use, but after I finish off this one thousand rounds I will be putting her away for a while and I dont know the effects of long-term storage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bean.223 365 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 WD-40, cheaper than CLP. Apply put it away, take out rifle 4/5 months later, apply again, thats it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 It will be a lot more useful when TSHTF if you shoot it at least monthly, and become growingly more proficient with it. If you want to store it, WD-40, or cosmoline for real long term storage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 (edited) I would suggest staying away from WD-40 using it as a long term / regular lubricant. WD-40 "water displacement" is a cleaner and doesn't leave a long term lubricant / protection behind. I would suggest RemOil for almost the same price and it is milspec. Yakdung Edited March 28, 2010 by yakdung Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bounce12 407 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 How good of a weapon would a saiga be in a shit hits the fan scenario? If you're talking specifically about the Saiga "S-12," I think it's perfect. Personally, I think in a real SHTF scenario, the threats we'll face will be at very close range (close meaning 0 - 50 feet). It's just my opinion, I could be wrong. An S-12 with slugs or buckshot would be very effective. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stansplace 414 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 I would suggest staying away from WD-40 using it as a long term / regular lubricant. WD-40 "water displacement" is a cleaner and doesn't leave a long term lubricant / protection behind. I would suggest RemOil for almost the same price and it is milspec. Yakdung Confucius say: Listen to the Yakdung. This is correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdbutler 563 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Welcome to the forum marlborocowboy92! I found this article from The Gun Zone helpful: http://www.thegunzone.com/rust.html From the article: Despite its good results, I would not use WD-40 for firearms unless I had little other choice. The "WD" stands for "water displacing," and WD-40 does that task well. That means it is good for hosing down and flushing out that duck gun that fell overboard, at least until you can get it home for a proper cleaning. However, WD-40 tends to gum and turn into a varnish with time. So WD-40 may be fine for an external wipe down, but it is potentially devastating to moving parts that require lubrication. In my experience, WD-40 has little, if any, lubricating properties, and is best left for its designed tasks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bean.223 365 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 I would suggest staying away from WD-40 using it as a long term / regular lubricant. WD-40 "water displacement" is a cleaner and doesn't leave a long term lubricant / protection behind. I would suggest RemOil for almost the same price and it is milspec. Yakdung He asked about keeping the rust away, not lubricating....is there a problem with using WD-40 to keep the rust away long term? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WFO2 3 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 (edited) If you are talking about an s12 they seem to take a bit more cleaning around the puck and gas ports .If you are talking about an ak not so big a deal . My buds coming back from the sand tell me the Hadji's just take off there boot laces knot them up dunk them in diesel and pull them through the bore. Having said that i keep all my toys very clean .I don't long store any ( 6 months at most ). It does take about 6 to 8 months for them to come up in the rotation for cleaning .I use Mil-Tec lubricant and their grease where needed for anti seize ( like the threads on an s12 muzzle ) .Last but not least all firearms are tools have the right one for the job and practice with it till you are good. When you need it is not the time to learn . Edited March 28, 2010 by WFO2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Here is a link to an article I read at Brownells about long term storage. They ran a few tests and it looks like the WD came out pretty good for the costs. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=10700/guntechdetail/Gun_Cleaning_Clinic__Knowing_the_Limits_of_Rust_Preventatives Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 I would suggest staying away from WD-40 using it as a long term / regular lubricant. WD-40 "water displacement" is a cleaner and doesn't leave a long term lubricant / protection behind. I would suggest RemOil for almost the same price and it is milspec. Yakdung He asked about keeping the rust away, not lubricating....is there a problem with using WD-40 to keep the rust away long term? I only use Milspec oils on my guns. WD-40 is fine for douching bolts and initial cleaning, but I never use it as the final oil on the surface of my guns. This is just me and only a suggestion. Good luck and be safe, Yakdung Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foolproofoak 0 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 My guess is once you see how much fun you had with that first 1k you won't need to worry about long term storage because you'll want to shoot it every chance you get. You'll be more concerned with buying more ammo and more Saigas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
N4KVE 14 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 How good of a weapon would a saiga be in a shit hits the fan scenario? You can't possibly do any better. You have an AK built in a Russian AK factory. GARY N4KVE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
superA 289 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Minimal cleaning major ass whooping. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
7point62 0 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Get some desiccant to store with your firearms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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555JM 10 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 (edited) If you want to store your Saiga, fine. Birchwood Casey Sheath does a good job keeping rust away and is easy to get off when it's time for action. For really long term storage, grease would be best. But neither Sheath nor grease will keep rust off the shooter. If you do store your gun, get another like it and use it to stay in practice. 50 offhand aimed shots at a paper target 50 yards away each of 50 weeks in a year would go a long way toward building confidence with your choice of weapons. If it gets easy, move the target out further or time yourself. When the SHTF, we're going to need skilled shooters. A gun in long-term storage can't help with that. Rather than store, I use my guns in rotation. Bob Edited March 28, 2010 by 555JM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 I would suggest staying away from WD-40 using it as a long term / regular lubricant. WD-40 "water displacement" is a cleaner and doesn't leave a long term lubricant / protection behind. I would suggest RemOil for almost the same price and it is milspec. Yakdung He asked about keeping the rust away, not lubricating....is there a problem with using WD-40 to keep the rust away long term? WD 40 dries into a nice hard material over time. Many moons ago I soaked a mossberg 500 that functioned perfectly with WD40 and left it a year without touching it. When I finally pulled it out of storage, the carrier did not slide back and forth smoothly and felt like someone sprayed glue on the internals. It completely locked up on me. Instant paperweight. It took a few cans of brake parts cleaner to get that shit dissoved and flushed. A cheaper and less toxic do it your self rust preventative/lube is vaseline. I kept a few milsurp rifles coated with vaseline for 5 years and 5 years later the vaseline was still working just fine similar to cosmoline. Zero problems and you don't have to worry about getting a carcenogenic chemical on your skin that is known to induce cancer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 If this article doesn't convince you that any AK, even a WASR, is the consummate WTSHTF rifle, nothing will: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/79010/firearm_review_romanian_ak47_variant.html?cat=38 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BaronVonBigmeat 0 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 I would suggest staying away from WD-40 using it as a long term / regular lubricant. WD-40 "water displacement" is a cleaner and doesn't leave a long term lubricant / protection behind. I would suggest RemOil for almost the same price and it is milspec. Yakdung I am not familiar with RemOil but I've heard the part about WD-40 numerous times. Although the water displacement part could be useful if you are running corrosive milsurp. I've heard of people rinsing out the barrel with water and then chasing it with WD-40. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Windex is great for flushing out corrosives, then swab out and let dry. Use any gun oil. I like Break free or even the old military LSA/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 I would suggest staying away from WD-40 using it as a long term / regular lubricant. WD-40 "water displacement" is a cleaner and doesn't leave a long term lubricant / protection behind. I would suggest RemOil for almost the same price and it is milspec. Yakdung I am not familiar with RemOil but I've heard the part about WD-40 numerous times. Although the water displacement part could be useful if you are running corrosive milsurp. I've heard of people rinsing out the barrel with water and then chasing it with WD-40. Happy Mart has it for about $6.00-$7.00 a can. I try and snag a can when I visit. I use the stuff on all of my tools as well. Be safe, Yakdung Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Who Dat 0 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 +1 break free CLP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frankyoz 15 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 CLP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Just plain old gun grease, not oil, would be fine the important thing being how its stored to keep water out. Most are leaning towards eight inch PVC with a drying agent with the rifle, ammo, mags, and other things one would need. Survivalist forums would have more info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Just plain old gun grease, not oil, would be fine the important thing being how its stored to keep water out. Most are leaning towards eight inch PVC with a drying agent with the rifle, ammo, mags, and other things one would need. Survivalist forums would have more info. I posted this link before: http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html Yakdung Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james peek 14 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 How good of a weapon would a saiga be in a shit hits the fan scenario? My plan thus far is to shoot a total of 1k rounds through here to break her in and then put her away unless I need her... thus arises the question. If I were to do this what would be the best way to prevent rust? I already coat her with clp when not in use, but after I finish off this one thousand rounds I will be putting her away for a while and I dont know the effects of long-term storage. break free makes a collectors formula good for 5yrs. here is the link to there site and product. break free collector Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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