6500rpm 670 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Can anyone post pictures, or hook me up with links to pictures of the Saiga 12 SWAT model. Limited luck so far, the post on sight/flash hider has me thinking. I need multiple views. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 here is one pic of it. i have another, let me see how small i have to make it to post it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 thats the best i can manage for ya........hope it helps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Good pics. That safety lever has an extra tab on it doesn't it? Looks like it would be for the grip hand to operate it maybe with your forefinger? Doesn't look like it would be that easy, but not a bad idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
300RUM 0 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 I want to know where I can get that top cover and gas block! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Integratedj 1 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Good pics. That safety lever has an extra tab on it doesn't it? Looks like it would be for the grip hand to operate it maybe with your forefinger? Doesn't look like it would be that easy, but not a bad idea. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I use a Blackjack swift lever and use my Grip forefinger to release it. It works extremely fast and easy. Didn't even have to retrain myself, it is a lot more natural. IJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
acetomatoco 0 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 (edited) Here is one site I just found while looking for something else. <a href='http://club.guns.ru/eng/symposium.html' target='_blank'>http://club.guns.ru/eng/symposium.html</a> click on pictures Probably not what you were looking for,but I thought I would share this with everybody. These .ru sites have some interesting things,although some statements concerning the AWB are now outdated. Check out the left handed shooter with the laser optics,might be rough for him without it. How about the UK legal gun length of 40", Swing that one around in the house. Edited May 3, 2005 by acetomatoco Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 i am more intersted in the mag well composition or previous makeup, the hardness of the rivets holding it there, and if the rear sight block is opened up any or modified for the odd gas piston of the s12. I believe if i recall correctly, that this obviously superior firearm was not made in quantity and is special order only due to production costs. the second picture of the gun is one that actually won the finnish 2002 or 2003 (forget which year......probably both years) open shotgun class. note plastic whatever in bolt, for you range masters to refer to for guns lacking bolt hold opens. I know how hard it is to think of something like that. why exactly cant i have this gun? thats pretty damn sporting if you ask me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 oh, the rear sight block is customised (not a lot, mind you) from a standard AKM sight block, the front gas block appears to be a custom milled part, and the rear cover can be had at just about any gun shop or show for 20-40 bucks, depending who you ask. rumor has it this gun ran over 2k direct and was a request. something like this in country (imagine the facists letting one of these be sold to civvies...HAH) would be worth 4k right now in my opinion, less if it was domestically made and out of civilian ok alloys like its supposed to be. if in fact it came from the factory like you see it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted May 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Bvamp, thanks bud...the rear sight and front block are items I wanted a good look at. AKM uh, I might have to take a look at K-VAR and see what they have to play with. Wonder if they did anything with the gas block to increase dwell time ???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Hey, with the front sight right in front of the gas block, how do you adjust the gas thing, you know, with the "1" and "2"? Or does the swat version not have that feature? Or maybe it is there and you just have to work around the sight block. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZakherBakher 1 Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 (edited) Some time ago I bored everyone to death with S12-030 pics postings so I hold this ones for the moment someone will directly ask for it I don't know whether it helpful ot not here we go... http://archer42.narod.ru/index12030.html Sorry - that damn thing don't want let me post here. narod.ru resource where I put this stuff seems a bit retarding It has no gas regulator like traditional Saiga12 12-030 is still very raw shotgun indeed. It has many issues and still in preproduction testing study despite speculation in russian weapon-related magazines. Actually IZHMASH stopped ad company in media because they still unable to produce realy usable model of this shotgun 12-030 shown on photoes is property of Moscow IPSC team "Grindin" Edited May 5, 2005 by ZakherBakher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardcorps1775 1 Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 please post away!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ForGreatJustice 1 Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 (edited) I'd kill for a look at that magwell. All the early production S12s I see don't appear to use the standard S12 magazines ours do. And those pics from Russia are taking for DAMn EVER to download. ARe they hosted on Dialup or some thign? Edited May 6, 2005 by ForGreatJustice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 http://archer42.narod.ru/index12030.html Sorry - that damn thing don't want let me post here. narod.ru resource where I put this stuff seems a bit retarding <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Russians do a great job with weapons technology, but for some reason they won't make use of jpeg compression technology. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ForGreatJustice 1 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Well, our country exports high-grade softcore porn and they export weapons. So...there you have it. Look, all I can see is the thumbnails but it looks to me like the Saiga-12 SWAT really doesn't take standard mags. That magwell is much to narrow. Therefore, if it has a forward latch then it's not necessarily designed to accomodate the magazines we use in the normal way. I'm trying to formulate a forward latch design to make reloading on a closed bolt more workable, and I thought I'd imitate the S12SWAT design. But it looks like its quite different. Can anyone who managed to load th pics up close confirm that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 im definately saving those pictures to my hard drive. good info, good dater.... i was looking at the magwell myself, thinking its a good idea. the mags ive noticed all appear to be NOT stock. what the hell mags ARE those? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mopeman 0 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Is there a way we can put those pics in the photo gallery? They are so looooooooooong to download, that I gave up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USMC_LB 4 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 can we get more pictures of the mags and the magwell ? How do they lock up ? It looks like the original mag release is still utilized... LB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 can we get more pictures of the mags and the magwell ? How do they lock up ? It looks like the original mag release is still utilized... LB <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It looks to me that they are basically the same mags but that the front tang is not there and they don't have the 3 grooves on the side but instead, the walls are thicker below that point. Also, it looks like the follower stop is eliminated so that the follower can come all the way up. The idea is to eliminate the rocking action of inserting the mag, and also allow it to drop free when you press the mag release. Perhaps also the extra travel of the follower gives it a little push to drop it out of the magwell. Mag pic, compressed, cropped and reduced in size: BTW those pictures are around 4mb each. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZakherBakher 1 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 (edited) pedal2alloy Yeah, Yeah "4MB each" 254,102 IMG0023s.jpg 249,835 IMG0028s.jpg 226,434 IMG0029s.jpg 215,944 IMG0030s.jpg 228,322 IMG0031s.jpg 226,171 IMG0032s.jpg 254,449 IMG0033s.jpg You know, dude, we still counting on abacus, drink vodka and bears roaming around on the streets I have no fast ftp/http I can provide you free access and I had no time (shame on me) to crop and to find size and resolution restrictions for posting pictures to this forum. So I did what I did and you have to "enjoy" neibour retarded free server. Best regards Edited May 7, 2005 by ZakherBakher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 ZakherBaker: i think your file size limit for images is 100kb as a regular user. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
olderandslower 0 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 pedal2alloy Yeah, Yeah "4MB each" 254,102 IMG0023s.jpg 249,835 IMG0028s.jpg 226,434 IMG0029s.jpg 215,944 IMG0030s.jpg 228,322 IMG0031s.jpg 226,171 IMG0032s.jpg 254,449 IMG0033s.jpg You know, dude, we still counting on abacus, drink vodka and bears roaming around on the streets I have no fast ftp/http I can provide you free access and I had no time (shame on me) to crop and to find size and resolution restrictions for posting pictures to this forum. So I did what I did and you have to "enjoy" neibour retarded free server. Best regards <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Us fellas in Florida don't know how to use an abacus, but we can take our shoes off to count to 19. We don't have bears roaming the streets, but we have alligators. The magazine well obviously is a add-on part. We need a blueprint or a picture of it (by itself) or a contact to purchase it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 pedal2alloy Yeah, Yeah "4MB each" 254,102 IMG0023s.jpg 249,835 IMG0028s.jpg 226,434 IMG0029s.jpg 215,944 IMG0030s.jpg 228,322 IMG0031s.jpg 226,171 IMG0032s.jpg 254,449 IMG0033s.jpg You know, dude, we still counting on abacus, drink vodka and bears roaming around on the streets I have no fast ftp/http I can provide you free access and I had no time (shame on me) to crop and to find size and resolution restrictions for posting pictures to this forum. So I did what I did and you have to "enjoy" neibour retarded free server. Best regards <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That was just an estimate Forgot to mention that we appreciate the pictures - very valuable information (regardless of size) Thanks bro! Here's the magwell one cropped: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ForGreatJustice 1 Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Damn...I wonder if we could rig up a similiar magwell that accepted the Knoxx mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardcorps1775 1 Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 oh god, here we go again! :D i feel the saiga12 hive mind juices flowing..."hmmm, can it be done???" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZakherBakher 1 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 ZakherBaker: i think your file size limit for images is 100kb as a regular user. Thanks, will keep it in mind Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USP40 1 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 (edited) I'm getting one of the magwell from Thailand from the man in the picture. He is a good friend of friend of mine . He have that made for him to use in competition . I'll post some pixs when I get it in my hand. He told me it's need to be weled on to the receiver. Edited May 17, 2005 by USP40 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 What are they always holding behind the person in those competitions? Timers? shot counters? or??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZakherBakher 1 Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 What are they always holding behind the person in those competitions? Timers? shot counters? or??? This is shot counter/timer a.k.a. Speed-Timer 3000(RF or Non RF) - standart issue for IPSC etc. http://www.speedtimers.com/shooting_speed_timers.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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