montec 164 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I just picked up my Saiga 12 from the gun shop on sunday and I can't wait to get it out and break it in. Here are some pics for ya. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 That is an S-12 all right... Congrats. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Save yourself some money. Forget the high brass ammo and hand cycle it violently 1000 times with no lube. The weapon is not designed to fire "low brass" and if it isn't getting sufficient gas to cycle "low brass", firing "high brass" will not cure the lack of gas. If all you intend to do is fire "high brass".... then get out your wallet and go for it. Congrats! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jdhonda810 29 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Save yourself some money. Forget the high brass ammo and hand cycle it violently 1000 times with no lube. The weapon is not designed to fire "low brass" and if it isn't getting sufficient gas to cycle "low brass", firing "high brass" will not cure the lack of gas. If all you intend to do is fire "high brass".... then get out your wallet and go for it. Congrats! +1......it could be fun, lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 that etching would drive me crazy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Save yourself some money. Forget the high brass ammo and hand cycle it violently 1000 times with no lube. The weapon is not designed to fire "low brass" and if it isn't getting sufficient gas to cycle "low brass", firing "high brass" will not cure the lack of gas. If all you intend to do is fire "high brass".... then get out your wallet and go for it. Congrats! +1......it could be fun, lol Hand cycling during American Idol is great for driving the wife nuts 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrmallek 53 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Looks good, Man That K-var forend is really starting to grow on me. Congrats - BTW, most new guns that I'm hearing about tend to run birdshot with no problems - Izhmash has picked it up with regards to Quality Control. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 that etching would drive me crazy I dont think its etching feels more like if you pulled off old masking tape and it left the adhesive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Looks good, Man That K-var forend is really starting to grow on me. Congrats - BTW, most new guns that I'm hearing about tend to run birdshot with no problems - Izhmash has picked it up with regards to Quality Control. I was trying to figure out why the sling attachment was on the side. I already check the ports right away and I've got 3 fully visible. A co-worker gave me some highbrass 3" that he doesn't use anymore so I have that to start out with. Will definately be stocking up on some wally world fed when I can. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 that etching would drive me crazy It reminds me of sensored Japanese porn.... and that drives me crazy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Looks good, Man That K-var forend is really starting to grow on me. Congrats - BTW, most new guns that I'm hearing about tend to run birdshot with no problems - Izhmash has picked it up with regards to Quality Control. I was trying to figure out why the sling attachment was on the side. I already check the ports right away and I've got 3 fully visible. A co-worker gave me some highbrass 3" that he doesn't use anymore so I have that to start out with. Will definately be stocking up on some wally world fed when I can. The weapon will hang better when slung due to the sling loop being on the side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 that etching would drive me crazy It reminds me of sensored Japanese porn.... and that drives me crazy Agreed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I'm not sure on which model from K-Var. Nothing really stated anywhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I'm not sure on which model from K-Var. Nothing really stated anywhere. Just found it. Amazing you look and then you just find it. SGL12-02 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Anyone notice that K-var is selling fully converted .410s? I wonder if they're going to do similar with the 12s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csmw 98 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 If the etching is an issue, when you send the gun to tromix (or somewhare else) for a build, just have them weld it up and then resurface it. It's not a big job, so it should be reasonably priced. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gremlinx 20 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Pardon my ignorance, etching? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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montec 164 Posted March 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I've heard about the LRBHO issues with the 109 I wonder if I will have the same issue? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I've heard about the LRBHO issues with the 109 I wonder if I will have the same issue? Does it have the LRBHO? I don't see the button near the mag catch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted March 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 I've heard about the LRBHO issues with the 109 I wonder if I will have the same issue? Does it have the LRBHO? I don't see the button near the mag catch. From Kvar Saiga 12 gauges now come standard with the bolt hold open feature. http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17626 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rottieman33 90 Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 The weapon is not designed to fire "low brass My gun is bone stock with factory plug and on setting #1 and have only shot low brass threw it. But I also reload my own shot shells to and use a faster burning powder then what you get when you buy 12 ga ammo from walmart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Get your Credit Card out! Time to convert! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted April 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Well I still haven't gotten out to shoot yet but looking @ maybe getting this for my stock. My link I like the idea of the cleaning kit in the stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bolt1958 1 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Your model SGL-12-02 should have the bolt hold open device that holds the bolt open when pulled back to make it easier to insert a loaded magazine . You Saiga doesn't have the " Last Round Bolt Hold Open " which holds the bolt open after the last shot is fired . These are two different bolt hold open devices .Hope this info helps you figure it out . You should be able to live with the etching on the side . I have three Saiga 12 's and one has the etching and I don't discriminate against it because has a birth mark . LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OBITUARY 12 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Looks like someone put electrical tape over the check engine light! Sorry couldn't help it!!! I have one coming soon so maybe mine will have it too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grendelz 61 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 they might as well marked it out with CRAYON. Jeez, beautiful gun til you see the etched out spot on the reciever Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sjgusmc21 850 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 The weapon is not designed to fire "low brass My gun is bone stock with factory plug and on setting #1 and have only shot low brass threw it. But I also reload my own shot shells to and use a faster burning powder then what you get when you buy 12 ga ammo from walmart. OMG...Avatars are just getting way to hot! Great Job! Oh, and nice S-12! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaniel 7 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) The weapon is not designed to fire "low brass My gun is bone stock with factory plug and on setting #1 and have only shot low brass threw it. But I also reload my own shot shells to and use a faster burning powder then what you get when you buy 12 ga ammo from walmart. This is the reverse of what you need to do. Bulk ammo uses fast-burning powder because it is fewer grains-per-shot and hence cheaper to make...in addition to very light weight shot loads being more appropriate for faster powders. Heavy game loads and magnum loads do NOT necessarily run at higher peak pressure than lighter weight loads being driven by faster burning powder. When you have a gas-driven system it is not necessarily WHAT the peak pressure is but WHEN it occurs. If bulk ammo loads are not cycling in your S12, it is likely that the pressure peak is happening before the wad passes the gas ports. So the pressure has already dropped by the time the wad clears the gas ports and leaves less to work the action. Moving to an even faster powder will only make the problem worse! Use a recipe for a slower burning powder that is still appropriate for the shot weight you are loading. This should result in higher pressure at the gas ports. If this still doesn't work you can move up to the next heavier shot size and try again....you won't have to run a higher peak pressure but it will move the peak further down the barrel and work the action better. This is why M1 Garands must use only specific powders and many that are appropriate for 30-06 will blow them up. Slower-burning powders produce higher pressures AT THE GAS PORT than the weapon was designed for, putting too much force into the long, heavy operating rod and breaking it. I have a Ruger 44mag carbine that was given to me because the owner was too tired of being frustrated with it not working (FTE). Well it turned out there was nothing wrong with the gun, he was feeding it 44mag pistol ammo loaded with fast-burning powder optimized for handguns. I loaded up and fired 100 with a slower-burning powder at similat velocity and had not a single FTE. Pistol rounds got the same velocity but just not high enough pressure down at the gas ports. Edited April 26, 2011 by spaniel 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted April 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Well I hit the range last night. Last minute decision. I'll have to say it fired the 3" very well. The first mag of bulk fed the last round out stove piped but that was the only issue out of the 25rds I had with me of that. Shot some 3" BB rounds and I had some flash, and that was unique for me to see on a shotgun. Then I broke out some 2 3/4 Fiochi #6 and I had flames reaching almost 2ft out. I wish I would have had a cam to take pics or vids but I didnt. Was awesome shooting and can't wait to do more and get some mods going. Also there was only one other person out when I was and he asked if I was using door breacher rounds due to the flash of the fiocchi. Oh, and my spelling sucks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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