Freighttrain 20 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Got a guy at work that will argue up one side and down the other than the Saiga is NOT a AK47 that is is just a shotgun that looks like a AK47.Now I know it doesn't follow the blue prints of ol Mikhail Kalashnikov but would it be safe to say it IS a AK47?BTW,this is the same guy that has argued with me up one side and down the other that it is illegal to "SAW" a barrel down even if building a legal SBR/SBS that the only LEGAL way to cut a barrel is to use a lathe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDarkHorse 216 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 It's an AKM. The AK-47 was made in 1947 and everything since then is an AKM. But in every sense, the Saiga 12 is a KALISHNIKOV. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 It depends on how specific he wants to get. If by AK47 he means THE AK47 Avtomat. Then no its not. In that sense the Saiga is a AK inspired rifle. But if you mean that it looks and functions like one the yea it is an AK(M) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I am not sure why you would even respond to such a fool....... 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwiztidKlownzTX 76 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Arguing with stupid is futile... Don't waste your time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Saiga rifles are AKs, the S-12, 20 and .410 are very similar to the AK design with variances for the shot loads but are still considered an AK but none of them are AK-47s and most AK patern rifles that have been designed and sold to US consumers are based on the AKM, not the 47. There are slight differences between the M and 47 but by definition he is correct. Next time he says it tell him that it isnt an AK-47 but is a semi-auto AKM and maybe thatll fix his ass 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) The Saiga rifles and shotguns are considered part of the AK-100 series of firearms. The AK-100 series is an evolution of the AKM and AK-74 family, including modernization of older designs chambered in 5.45x39 (AK-74M, AK-105), 5.56x45 (AK-101, AK-102), and 7.62x39 (AK-103, AK-104), plus the addition of larger rifle calibers (.308, 30-06), and the addition of small and large-bore shotguns. The list can get even longer if you consider some of the experimental designs in 9x19, balanced recoil system designs, etc. These are also part of the AK-100 series but are not commonly known in the US, or even exported to the US. While the large-caliber rifles and shotguns have some differences compared to the small-caliber rifles, they still use the basic AK operating system, controls, and general receiver layout. Are they AK-47s? Nope, that is a very specific model within the AK family, but they are part of the AK family. Your friend's head would spin if you showed him all of the AK family variants. He is probably like most casual gun snobs in that he doesn't really know the difference between an original AK-47 and anything else developed afterwards. Edited October 19, 2012 by mancat 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Is a platypus a mammal? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Garys4598 1,065 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) Is a platypus a mammal? Here is my Ruger Charger "Platypus" and it's no mammal. Edited October 19, 2012 by Gary 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Sounds like your co worker is just like the media. Ignorant. And even worse is he's trying to argue his ignorance as being correct. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BpS12 512 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Technically, he is correct. Saigas are not AK47s. But they are in the same family of weaponry. They are of the AK platform as opposed to the AR platform. Much like the Adakl(sp) is of the AR platform. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zombiehunter762 376 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 REALLY?? ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syndicate 812 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Adakl(sp) is of the AR platform. wrong it's AR styled and functionally a Remingtion 1100 it's like a front wheel drive car with a Ferrari body kit on it, looks the same, but does not function the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BpS12 512 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Adakl(sp) is of the AR platform. wrong it's AR styled and functionally a Remingtion 1100 it's like a front wheel drive car with a Ferrari body kit on it, looks the same, but does not function the same. I stand corrected. Would I have been right in useing the AA then? Sorry, since I have little interest in things AR, I didn't realize. Thanks for the correction. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Donkeyshins 87 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Technically, he is correct. Saigas are not AK47s. But they are in the same family of weaponry. They are of the AK platform as opposed to the AR platform. Much like the Adakl(sp) is of the AR platform. Well, technically a 'K' platform, since the Saigas are not automatic (AK=Avtomat Kalashnikova). -D 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
horatio 515 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 i'm reminded of somebody's signature line on this site. "don't argue with an idiot. they'll only drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience." man, i laughed so hard i think i got some mountain dew in my lung. good luck with your coworker freighttrain. the only thing your going to succeed with that kind of guy is getting a headache Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syndicate 812 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Adakl(sp) is of the AR platform. wrong it's AR styled and functionally a Remingtion 1100 it's like a front wheel drive car with a Ferrari body kit on it, looks the same, but does not function the same. I stand corrected. Would I have been right in useing the AA then? Sorry, since I have little interest in things AR, I didn't realize. Thanks for the correction. AA 12 is diff also, there's a few good break vids the AR shotgun that is well known would be the USAS 12. There are several other people that have made them and not brought them to market due to cost, also ones that don't look like shit. The USAS is the pontiac aztec of firearms, wait I take that back, I wouldn't kill myself if I owned a USAS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Adakl(sp) is of the AR platform. wrong it's AR styled and functionally a Remingtion 1100 it's like a front wheel drive car with a Ferrari body kit on it, looks the same, but does not function the same. I stand corrected. Would I have been right in useing the AA then? Sorry, since I have little interest in things AR, I didn't realize. Thanks for the correction. AA 12 is diff also, there's a few good break vids the AR shotgun that is well known would be the USAS 12. There are several other people that have made them and not brought them to market due to cost, also ones that don't look like shit. The USAS is the pontiac aztec of firearms, wait I take that back, I wouldn't kill myself if I owned a USAS. And sadly the civi USAS is still labeled as a destructive device. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syndicate 812 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 And sadly the civi USAS is still labeled as a destructive device. Even with registering it as such I could buy 3 of those with money to spare for one AA-12 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Very true. Id still love an AA-12. But only if I could get the Frag-12 rounds with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Technically, he is correct. Saigas are not AK47s. But they are in the same family of weaponry. They are of the AK platform as opposed to the AR platform. Much like the Adakl(sp) is of the AR platform. Well, technically a 'K' platform, since the Saigas are not automatic (AK=Avtomat Kalashnikova). -D Well, technically according to the media, all AK's are full-auto and have heat seeking bullets that only hit babies and old ladies 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mogunner 240 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Technically, he is correct. Saigas are not AK47s. But they are in the same family of weaponry. They are of the AK platform as opposed to the AR platform. Much like the Adakl(sp) is of the AR platform. Well, technically a 'K' platform, since the Saigas are not automatic (AK=Avtomat Kalashnikova). -D Well, technically according to the media, all AK's are full-auto and have heat seeking bullets that only hit babies and old ladies But they also call any black rifle an assault weapon too... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 (I prefer shortening my barrels with a chisel and hammer.) These guys are right. Don't bother arguing with "stupid". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MightyLordRay 94 Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 The Saiga is not anything related to firearms of any sort. In fact the Saiga is a type of video game station. AR platform is a type of walk out patio...for any Obama lovers out there I'll keep you up to date. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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