rs51085 136 Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 If you are like me you really wanted the rail on the bottom of the factory hand guard that could not be imported. after looking at a few rails at the gun show i found one that resembled the factory rail. The rail i found was a magpul, here is the product number. its about 5 inches long. The rail almost fits perfectly with just a little bit of material that needs to be removed from the end of the rail. you can see where i am referring to here. The rail just needs a slight angle sanded on the end of it to sit perfectly level. after that position the rail on the handguard, mark your holes and drill them. bolt it on and there you go. now you have a rail on the bottom of the handguard that looks very close to the original. and here is the factory vepr 12 handguard 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Pretty good match Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Awesome work. Keeping my eye open for what will work for side rails. DAC milled his vepr handguard and mounted rails, looked awesome as well. I am wondering what the best method of coating these handguards would be and would it stick properly. Ultimately, I'd love to see if the magpul 870 MOE hand guard can be properly fitted to the Vepr. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reverendfranz 160 Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Duracoat seems to stick well. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Philemon9130 3 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Did the hardware in the box work to secure the rail or did you need additional nuts, bolts, etc? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 ^ This. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rs51085 136 Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) I used the hardware that came with the magpul rail, it worked perfect. Just had to tighten the rail down good before you put the handguard back on the gun. Edited November 8, 2012 by rogers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Philemon9130 3 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Perfect. Great find. Got one on order. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
valmoth 0 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 How did you remove the handguard in order to install the rail? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Remove the gas tube which releases the handguard retainer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
havok 21 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 2.5'' on the side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Looks good man! I ordered a magpul 1" to mount on my side as well. Should get any day now. Will post pics too. = D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rs51085 136 Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 2.5'' on the side. Looks good. I like the size you choose. If I ever need rails on the sides of the hand guard that's the way I will go. Thanks for posting some pics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 So is that parallel to the bore, or sloped slightly? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Thanks to this post I put in an order for rails last week. I am going to mount them, I went with short stubby ones on the side, and then have the whole thing cerakoted. Once I get it done I will post pics of the complete setup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rs51085 136 Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) So is that parallel to the bore, or sloped slightly? Good question. If you are talking about the rail on the bottom I don't know. But for vfg's I wouldn't think it would make a difference. I will see what happens when I put a straight edge on it and compare it to the barrel. Edit: Answer: not very scientific but it looks close enough to mount a laser to. i wouldn't though because there is a little movement of the hand guard on mine. not enough to notice until you mount a laser on it and the zero starts to shift on you. Edited November 14, 2012 by rogers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Just added a rail on the bottom and side of mine. Bottom was super easy. Side was a pain!! The screws were too long, so instead of getting new ones I ground them down which added a lot of extra work. And after it was all done, it's a little canted. I'm done with messing with it for now. I added the side rail to mount a flashlight with a thorn tail. I might just put a slight bend on the thorn tail and call it a day. It's only like a 1 or 2 degree cant. Shame on me for not taking my time and winding up with a cant. Oh well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 No making fun of my canted side rail Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 It looks good. Widen one hole and straighten in out. No biggie. I dremeled out the material on each side of the handguard to flush mount a rail on each side, sanded a rail for the bottom and drilled holes for all three rails. The parts along with the gas tube cover, rails, hand guard, and grip are all off to be cerakoted. Once I get them back and installed I will post a pick of the complete setup. If you're sensitive to colored parts or modern mods to AKs, then please ignore the pictures. Getting a bit tired of the pundits that complain about others preferences around here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Thanks. I was going to dremel out the side ribs so the side rail would sit more flush, but I want to run a thorn tail flashlight mount and worried about clearing the sling loop. I need all the height I can get I'm pretty sure. Also if anyone is curious.. Both rails and the VFG are Magpul, the RDS is Primary Arms Micro Dot, and the pistol grip is a MFT engage. Now just have to wait for CSS to release there M4 stock adapter for the Vepr 12. Going to install a Magpul CTR with an enhanced butt pad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) check out gearsector light mounts to, they have offset light mounts that appear to have less material / parts than the thorntai I have a gearsector on my Ak and love it. Very simple stuff. EDIT: Although, I just looked at the Thorntail and SBR version and like the adaptability of the system. Will be considering one of these. Thx Edited November 22, 2012 by ec4321 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kuston 9 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Ok, I bought this MAGPUL picatinny rail. I have a vertical grip to attach to it. Before I start hacking away, could someone confirm I'm doing this right? 1. I'm going to remove the handguard 2. I'm to line up the rail on the bottom of handguard and mark the holes 3. I'm going to drill holes into the handguard using my Dremell 4. I'm going to screw in the rail to the handguard 5. I'm going to reattach the handguard to the gun 6. I'm going to attach the vertical grip to the rail Thanks for the help in advance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 That's pretty much what I did. The bottom rail is easy, the side one is the pain cause of the ribs. Also there is a seam on the bottom of the handguard to help you center the bottom rail. I used a dremel too.. and started with a small hole.. then made bigger to make sure small holes were lined up first. Depending on the length of the rail, you have to do some sanding to the rail to make it contour with the slight raise towards the rear of the bottom of the forend grip. If it is a smaller rail and does not cover most of the bottom of the grip you obviously can skip the sanding step. Clear as mud? = ] 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nucjd 6 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Great posts guys. Thanks for the info. I will definitely be doing this mod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NightmareArmory 6 Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Thanks Rogers! I installed mine a couple of days ago and it worked flawlessly with my Mako Tactical Vertical Foregrip with Integrated Adjustable Bipod and 1" flashlight adapter - Gen 2 - T-PodG2FA Strong as heck and looks just like the Russian issue furniture less the side mounts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rs51085 136 Posted January 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 You are welcome! I am glad you had a good experience with it. Just trying to give a little back to this site since I have learned so much from it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
datubie 21 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) I bought a blank length of alum picantinny rail, cut it to 9", reliefed the end of the rail where it would meet the curved side of the hanguard, added JB wield to make up the gaps and bolted it to the hanguard. Edited January 23, 2013 by turbotezza Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solrus 2 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Just finished my picatinny project. I decided to wait with side rail since there is no good platform to mount and nothing to hang also . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 My Vepr with rail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vette447 11 Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 EC, or someone that has done the side rails, could you post a little more detail about how you got them the way you wanted them? I can see how the bottom rail install should be relatively easy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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