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FLUID POWER has it down i think.this admin. is all about control.This is the NWO and their puppet Obama will do what the agenda of the NWO calls for.They dont care about the lost lives of these unfortunate children and all that are suffering because of the incident .This is the catalyst they've been waiting for.This one involves children savagely murdered and of course with a firearm.Public outcry will be magnified x10 with this admin over this incident.If we should lose the house of rep. in midterm elections and give it to the LEFT then I think seriously we will see some very stiff laws pertaining to our 2nd amend. rights.Throw in the fact that 2 supreme court justices seats are up for grabs and fill them in w/LEFTIST judges and I think we just might see with the same outcome as AUSTRALIA (Hillary helped Australia's prime minister with that I was told)POTUS will most likely go the route of executive action if he encounters resistance,and with his pompous attitude he wants a warm and fuzzy to say LOOK AT ME ,I FIXED THE GUN PROBLEM IN THE USA AND THE HEALTH CARE TOOshocked.gif .Too bad it wont work, because only the outlaws will have them, well damn it then, Im going to join up with those who feel the same.IF and WHEN it comes to that, I will have to put myself in that group

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The real pisser in this whole melodrama is the fact that the MSM just mentions the kid's mental illness in passing.

 

The NUMBER 1 reason why this tragedy happened.

 

And, then, they immediately defaulted the conversation toward the evil, high cap weapons used. And hammered, and, hammered, and, hammered it home, ad nauseum.

That really fuckin' pisses me off.

 

Those poor children's bodies were still warm when those sewer scum MSM went right to their anti-gun agenda.

 

Their rabid stoopidity is almost shocking.

 

They never learn from history.

 

After we become that Soviet style Worker's Utopia, some of the first "Enemies of the State" rounded up and machine gunned are the journalists.

Happens time and time again.

 

Somehow, these libtards think this time will be different.

 

They'll be the heros of the New Worker's Utopia.

 

Riiight...shut the fuck up, and, get into the cattle car, asswipe. (Rifle butt stroke up side the head.)

Next stop, FEMA death camp.

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yeah John U,no serious help for the mentally ill.Years ago the mentally ill were disposed of(you might as well use that term) when they were committed to institutions and they passed as what we would say as natural selection.Today we are more inclined to be kinder and more gentle but thats not always a good idea.Today you want to treat them with designer personality drugs and hope for the best and maybe we can pawn them off to correctional institutions (new age mental health holding facility) if they break the law.what about the ones that are dangerous and havent broken the law yet, do we wait for shit like this to happen? yeah its easier to blame guns, since the scum buckets closed a lot of the mental health care facilities around the nation and cut funding for health care period!!!!! Guns are an easy way out to escape the short comings that the politicians caused for the mentally ill to roam about with out decent care or facilities to help care for them.This way the looney left can seek their pot of gold-abolish the tools of our nations murder problems.I can just hear all the justifications these weak and cowardly scum will come up with to seek their agenda, and now put Obama in the mix, and the puppet will do as he is told, and the NWO will begin to unfold their mission,re create the new USSA.Sounds far fetched you say, dont count on it not becoming a reality, even if its watered down,its not going to be anything we good people who are law abiding and graced with common sense are going to buy or even remotely agree with.

 

Where did the majority of good Americans go? how did they become a mass herd of sheep, with out an ounce of common sense between the whole herd???????

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RJS 952,

 

Excellent post. You've hit the cause of the mental health problem we're facing right on the head.

And, your spot on about who is to blame.

 

I just turned the tv on, and, "Nightline" was, once again, hammering on about those evil "Assault Rifles". A made up term, care of the socialist leaning MSM, BTW.

These commie talking heads can barely contain their glee at this tragedy. I watch that idiot Terry Moran, and, you could see he could hardly stifle a big shit eaten grin.

 

Now, looks like their boy Obama will get everything on his Christmas list:

 

1. Higher taxes FOR EVERYONE? Check!

 

2. Blame the enemy Republicans for sending the country over the fiscal cliff? Check!

 

3. Capitalize on another tragedy to gain more worthless, feel good, gun control laws, and taking credit for having done "something"? Check!

 

4. Infuriate the gun lovers, Conservatives, and, the firearm industry lobbyists? Check!

 

5. Maximize use of the useful idiot talking heads to gain tighter control over American people? Check!

 

6. Destroy more of The Constitution, and, it's government limiting Bill Of Rights? Check!

 

 

 

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I was just thinking of how tragic this incident is and how it happens in every other country, even in china a man did this witha sword and knife. My heart breaks for the children and the lost generation of newtown. The parents with empty beds and pajamas christmas morning.

 

However I think of the millions of US soldiers, from the revolutionary war today that have given their lives to secure this basic freedom and I weep inside for the nation that has forgotten God, and history to betray the sacrifice of all those before us for our very basic right to self presevation and of securing all other rights.

 

Everyone of these shootings happened at GUN FREE AREAS. There is no coincidence the Arora shooter had 3 theaters within 20 minutes of his house and he passed the larger one because this theater was posted asA GUN FREE ZONE.

 

The Newtown COWARD killed himself when he heard sirens the idea of facing a nother man with a gun literally scared him to death.

 

I think That they will reinstate the Clinton ban on all scary looking rifles with long magazines and scary black ones. Its ok they are not racist but the black ones are scarier looking.

 

They will try to stop person to person selling of a firearm and then put a giant "WELCOME" sign on all malls and schools in the form of a "NO GUNS ALLOWED" sign that has worked so very well in the past.

 

Then when this doesnt help since it never has. They will further sacrifice our rights to the criminals they will try and further the law to all Semi-auto guns because that is what all Hollyweird movies call full automatic pretend guns they use in the movies.

 

Continuing to rachet down the more then 13000 gun laws that do not work and leaving us prey to the criminals and those Zombies who prey on the weak and scoff at the good people and wipe their asses with the paper these laws are printed on.

 

 

 

Imagine the Heroism that these teachers committed the Principle rushed an armed man and screming doing all she could to stop the gun toting COWARD to be slaughtered in a hail of gun fire pleading that she leave the children alone, imagine the horror and helplessness of that scene as she knew she would die but more that many others would die....

 

Can you see it ?

 

Now imagine she had a SHOTGUN ....

 

 

SHE MAY HAVE STILL BEEN INJURED ... but she would have saved those kids and others.

 

Yes my friends there will be a new set of bans and another 1000 impotent laws to ever more impotent government. Who no longer represent us our values or our safety , Just mandating how we are born how will live what we believe and how we die while they cowar behind armed men who actually carry machine guns, they strive for power and cripple the common mans ability to seek peace happiness and the american dream.

Our precious republic will die as the Hoards of Facebook zombies apathetic to a dying nation and more concerned with how Kim Kardasion farts smell and Justin Beibers new haircut looks. Then to the Nation that gave them birth and suckled them with her titties and was paid for by the blood of their fathers, rots from the inside out.

 

It may seem melodramtic but the FREE republic is being trickled intravenioussly the apathetic poison that will kill her and the world turns on.

 

The tragedy was great and the lives taken unreplacable... the masses strike out in rage, but the killer is already dead and instead they blame the BILL OF RIGHTS, video games, movies and inanimate objects for the mental illness of an apathetic nation that let thses children down, by failing to protect them and allowing an imoral society to corrupt and train their killer.

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The congress (House of Reps) can slow down or stop this, ONLY if the people contact them and support them on this. The whole fiscal cliff bull shit is just a Obamy tool used to BEAT on the House into submission!! If the people contact their reps and let them know we support their efforts to stand by the 2nd amendment, they can stop it. Then it will be the Administration who would need the balls to use Executive order to force this. This will make it illegal, but everyone knows they don't care. Obamy also is using all other government agencies to ban ALL GUNS! The Admin is VERY arrogant thinking they can get away with anything and will push (mistakenly) the departments of government to force it. This they were going to do all along using the Heath Care Law (this has been in place for a long time as a bureaucrat can just decree a certain thing or substance is "NOT Healty" to ban it for the greater good) this is where the Dept of Home Land Security would step in. We MUST have our Reps stop it at the bill level and force their hand, at that point Obamy will really go off the rail! It ain't going to be pretty! We won't have much of a gov at that point! He isn't into his second term yet and boy wll we really see the true Obamy as nothing will stop him now! IMHO

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As said many many times before

When Guns are Outlawed Then Outlaws will have guns!

I guess I will be an Outlaw. It is a shame, as I never even had so much as a traffic ticket. Served my country, and believe in law and order, as thats what my job is. Always followed the law, but this is too much.

Let me suggest to all, find some great hiding places for your stuff (in case this becomes a reality) we will have to use tactics of the French underground and the Viet Cong, and store our stuff until we can organize and be effective. after all we have some of the best motives and weapons if needed.

Just a thought, but I will go to prison before I tell them were I misplaced my stuff. If every gun owner would do this, could you imangine what the prison system would look like?

And when they interogate you, instead of giving your name rank and serial number, Just keep reciting the second ammendment over and over. That ought to drive the Libs crazy.

Just a thought!!!!!!!!

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There are too many raw emotions right now involving the school shooting. Sadly, the Assault Weapons ban will pass with Republican and Libtard support. To what extent I do not know. I'm old enough to remember the firts ban. All I can say is stock up on hi-cap mags. They'll be worth their weight in gold in a few years.

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As said many many times before

When Guns are Outlawed Then Outlaws will have guns!

I guess I will be an Outlaw. It is a shame, as I never even had so much as a traffic ticket. Served my country, and believe in law and order, as thats what my job is. Always followed the law, but this is too much.

Let me suggest to all, find some great hiding places for your stuff (in case this becomes a reality) we will have to use tactics of the French underground and the Viet Cong, and store our stuff until we can organize and be effective. after all we have some of the best motives and weapons if needed.

Just a thought, but I will go to prison before I tell them were I misplaced my stuff. If every gun owner would do this, could you imangine what the prison system would look like?

And when they interogate you, instead of giving your name rank and serial number, Just keep reciting the second ammendment over and over. That ought to drive the Libs crazy.

Just a thought!!!!!!!!

Our motive is

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

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Opening up the NFA is a huge can of worms. Figure a stand alone law most likely.

 

That said, write letters. To your local news station, to the newspaper, to any politician you can reach. Be smart, be clear, and check your spelling.

 

The "as long as I keep mine" Mind set is why we are stuck with half these stupid laws instead of common sense stuff.

 

Common sense "if your family is crazy you must have a safe"

Really stupid "a barrel over 18" is safe a barrel under is a deadly weapon". Get real, they are the same thing.

Common sense "you need a few hours of training to buy your first gun"

Really stupid "You can't buy ammo from china because they are evil commies" Get real, half the world is made in china, if they are evil Ban tv imports too.

Common sense "have something on drivers licence that says if someone is crazy or a past felon"

Really stupid "Reclassifying rifle ammo as pistol ammo". Simple rule, if a pistol takes rifle ammo its a SBR or AOW, if a rifle takes pistol ammo its a carbine. And .22lr should be called what they are, "airless pellet guns".

 

I think "Common sense gun laws" are important. Problem is "common sense" and "compromise" are anti-gun code for: "you give up something, we give up nothing and call you unreasonable jackasses"

 

(sorry just a rant).

 

Edit to add one.

Yes be patient be firm and have the facts on your side.

 

The FBI crime reports have a LOT of useful information about murder rates and such,.

http://www.fbi.gov/a...ed-offense-data

 

Note stuff like only 60% of murders actually involve a gun at any time. That the majority of those murdered by a gun knew the person who killed them. Those kind of passion/revenge based murders aren't going to suddenly stop with a simple ban. Point out that most people (even more so for non gun owners) have a far higher chance of drowning in their pool (especially kids) then being shot to death. Ditto for riding/driving cars and all those other daily activities that we engage in.

 

Here's a quick list of stuff that is MUCH more likely to kill you.

http://en.wikipedia....f_death_by_rate

 

Keep the argument focused on the people who commit them. Don't let them distract you with emotional pleas. Focus on solutions that will help mentally disturbed family members get help and guns out of their hands. This is where a strong public option with strong availability in treatment options for mental disorders. If the thought of having a government offered insurance program bothers you might I suggest something along the lines of what the Swiss have. The Swiss have a government health care plan that covers basic treatment and such but you also have the option of adding on to that coverage with private luxury plans that expand on the publicly available plan.

 

Maybe a discussion about the glorification of violence in this country needs to be had? Maybe the militarization of the police needs to be stopped and more community outreach needs to be engaged in so it's more likely someone will report these people before they can enact their plan? A re-examination of the whole concept of "stop snitching" is in order.

 

 

Expanded NICS capability for private sales for no charge maybe? This would have the added effect of removing the "gun show loopholes" so many of them complain about.

 

The biggest single school murder spree in the history of this country didn't involve one person being shot (the bath school disaster).

 

Hopefully after Christmas is over and next month rolls around cooler heads will prevail. Assuming some other complete moron doesn't go off the deepend and shoots something up.

 

Tool of Society has it 100% right. Unfortunately, I think public figures are less likely to come forth to put the truth on the table, so we have to do it. All of these points are important, its not the gun, its the person, and why we don't catch them before they go on a murder spree, not a gun murder spree. I cannot imagine that there wasn't visible problems in this recent incident.

 

Let me add a few points if I may. A knife could have done just as well in the same situation, see China on the same day. When they come to tell you they need effective checks on individuals, point out that they do have effective checks. I do not know anyone who purchased the gun from an FFL or C&R that actually comitted a crime with it. When they say guns only cause violence, let them know about all the shootings and robberies thwarted each month by gun toters.

 

Suffice it to say, in the end, the longer time goes on, the more likely it won't hit hard, and WE can go a long way to delaying it longer. Call up your reps and senators and TALK to them. Ask for a meeting. Go in and discuss the provisions of the laws, they should be able to tell you the provisions if they are going to vote on it, right? Have a copy of your own just to point out their errors. Review it before talking to them. You and I are as smart as, or smarter than, they are, so lets put it to use! We can bring up these points, and redirect their fear to a positive flow of laws that help, or at least delay an actual possible ban!

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I can't believe what is happening right in front of our eyes...

 

 

You can't buy a hi-cap mag right now since these recent events have evoked panic! If you do find one you will pay 5x what it should cost. I know I should have jumped on multiple 40 round metal mags for $20 at my local gun shop. They raised their price to $35 and still sold out on MONDAY!

 

As was stated, hopefully cooler heads will prevail when the dust settles; I am just not so confident with our current president. Its a shame because I was looking in to actually making my first AR purchase before all this happened and now thats out the window!!

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If you can find one with a solid lower, I would just purchase it, Benjiboy. At that point, you own it, and I seriously doubt they will come to take your guns, its too dangerous for them - There's our second amendment in full action!

 

Remember, after any potential ban, prices on the guns will definately go up, just to increase profits for the gun companies. So, unfortunately, the hoards that are panicking are correct. Buy now, worry later.

 

I know I have stocked up on ammo, but I have everything else I want/need.

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ban is coming.......... The real question, will they try to take existing guns away? I doub it. Will they try to take existing magazines away? Its possible. That would really piss people off. I know people with hundreds of magazines. Magazines that the feds would expect them to just hand over. i know i wouldn't get rid of mine

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I dont think they are banning anything. They're affraid to do that otherwise the president woulda already done it. They might try to make it illegal to buy hi-cap mags. Which wont do anything but it will make the whinny little cry babies happy.

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I dont think they are banning anything. They're affraid to do that otherwise the president woulda already done it. They might try to make it illegal to buy hi-cap mags. Which wont do anything but it will make the whinny little cry babies happy.

 

Step back for a second....and breathe a bit....it is likely coming but will take a few months.! POTUS has folks(Biden) working on this now. What is in store is unknown, that it will happen is for sure!

 

I am willing to bet cash money that the mag capacity will be the first(even if it is only 10rds), but the platform will be there too!

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Short History Lesson:

 

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people!

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Actually, they may get the mag ban or a stiff tax on ammo/components. They may also close the FTF sale angle. They like to tout the "gun show loophole", but there isn't one if the seller follows the law as written. When I bought my lower, the FFL wouldn't accept my ID because it had my PO Box on it. I had to go out to the car and get my registration/insurance card to prove my physical addy.

 

They know going after what's already out there is virtually impossible, and the primary reason the '94 ban went like it did. Feinstein based her bill off the original AWB as it was introduced. They dickered and bargained, and got what we lived through. Even the BATFE knows states with FTF sales would be a quagmire for tracing and confiscating. Take MT for instance. I can advertise in the local paper, seller pays cash, no paperwork needed or required. I've watched more deals go down at the range here than at the gun shop.

 

There is also another angle they know would be a bottomless pit: home-built kits. Take my AR. The only thing listed on paper is the bare lower. How many would simply hand over said lower, then build on another one? AK's are the same way. No way to trace the upper or parts. Now, what if I sold it at the range prior to the ban? How will they prove otherwise? They can't, and they know it. Too many lose ends allowed to flop for too long.

 

Same goes for magazines. This past summer, I picked up a paper ream box full of mags/parts at a yard sale. I've since sold some to cover other costs. Who bought them and where they went, I couldn't tell you. Mags don't have serial numbers(yet), and can't be traced. Sure, I have a couple of crappy Promags I could give them. I also have 5 and 10 rounders for my rifles. My HD mag is a flush-fit 10 rounder. I learned from '94, and covered that angle as well.

 

In closing, I see some form of "feel good" legislation being passed. It could be a mag ban, back to a mandatory waiting period, or declaring FTF sales verbotten. I do not see an outright ban coming because they know full well it doesn't and won't work.

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I dont think anything will happen at this point. The ban of high caps and the assault weapon ban is all on one bill so if it doesnt pass i dont think anything will be passed but if it does pass we are fucked because it is one strict law.

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I just happened to think about this... When was the last time Congress passed a "clean" bill? Anyone? ... Bueller? ... Anyone?

 

With all the spending hoopla going on center-stage now, if they try to tack on a crap-ton of pork-bellies as usual, the whole thing will be thrown out due to the bad smell. ;)

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...I dont know you guys this isnt looking like its going to end in our favor..there are a lot of moronic people out there that think guns are horrible and guns get up grow legs and a mind of there own and start hurting people...AHH THIS SHIT FRUSTRATES THE FUCK OUTTA ME.. YOU STUPID EFFIN' LIB-TARDS PULL YOUR HEADS UP OUTTA YOUR ASS HOLES AND GET REALISTIC HERE. GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE AND IF OUR GUNS ARE TAKEN FROM US HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM CRIMINALS OR A TYRANIC GOVERNMENT?

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Spetnaz,

 

They (wrongly) believe they will be a part of said tyrannical govnt. They don't want you to have the ability to defend yourself.

Don't you see? They can't put a bullet in the side of your head if you have the ability to shoot back.

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IMHO, there will be some type of universal background check passed, making private sales a bit tricky. I could see Obama banning Russian ammo and imports (Saigas), and he could probably do that through EO. I also think 30 round mags and higher will be banned. They are asking for 10 rounders, and I think a compromise will be reached at 20 rounders. This may be wishful thinking, but I do not think assault weapons will be banned. We will see what happens, but this government may make my stash very valuable.

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I'm fairly confident that Saigas won't be banned as I'm sure Putin is already talking to Obama about that. Izshmash ships something like 40% of their production to the USA. Putin is a well known supporter of the company and I don't see Putin letting the USA do something like banning SAIGAs without at least calling Obama.

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I'm fairly confident that Saigas won't be banned as I'm sure Putin is already talking to Obama about that. Izshmash ships something like 40% of their production to the USA. Putin is a well known supporter of the company and I don't see Putin letting the USA do something like banning SAIGAs without at least calling Obama.

russia gets far more money from the US as aid and favorable trade agreements then IZHMASH probably makes in a decade, so if you even think that putin will throw the "money baby" under the bus for IZHMASH sake, you are dreaming.

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