Ntucker7 2 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 I was able to take my VEPR out for the first time. I had a Russian 5 round, 8 round and a 12 round SGM that I just received from the Atlantic pre-order. The VEPR ran great, but every time I shot a round from the SGM it would fall out. I tried at least 5 or 6 times, made sure I saw the mag locking lever move and lock into place, but no luck. When comparing to the Russian mag, it doesn't seem to lock as easily and there isn't that little bit of play I have with them. I'm assuming I'mgoing to need to do a little filing on the SGM, as the lugs seem a little taller. Has any one else experienced this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Id contact SGM before filing anything. They stand behind their product and will advise you whether or not to do anything like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 I haven't tried my SGM mags yet. But, I have a pile of Izzy magwell mags. Two of them fall out upon firing. They came, from the factory, with too much filed off the bottom of the catch. Not saying this is your problem. Just saying I have seen the same issue with too loose of a mag. As Captain said, you might want to check with SGM. Be patient, I would imagine they are a bit swamped with thing right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ntucker7 2 Posted December 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Ok, I'll contact them. I have two more coming from CSS. It will be interesting to see if they have the same issue or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 One of the two I got seems like it takes a little extra push to get it to lock in. Like its just tight and needs to break in. I will update when I run both mags and see how they work. I would make sure its locking in. Im sure sgm will send you a new one if there is a problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantic Firearms.com 170 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 The Crew @ SGM are good folks and will work to help resolve your issue . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 (edited) Ive noticed on mine, if I push it in as far as it will go, it will try to lock in, but I found that if I put a tad bit of pressure back towards me, it locks in all the way. So on mine, I just put it in all the way, and pull back on it just a bit in one motion and it locks in fully. I'd say it will get easier with use. Edited December 23, 2012 by Captain Hero Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tripleduece 4 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Mine just needed a little tap to lock. Bi the follower is sticking on the way up. Already contacted sgm. I am sure they will make good on them. I think my mag well/reciver is just putting a wee bit to much pressure on the sides. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Ive noticed on mine, if I push it in as far as it will go, it will try to lock in, but I found that if I put a tad bit of pressure back towards me, it locks in all the way. So on mine, I just put it in all the way, and pull back on it just a bit in one motion and it locks in fully. I'd say it will get easier with use. Thats what she said...... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Ive noticed on mine, if I push it in as far as it will go, it will try to lock in, but I found that if I put a tad bit of pressure back towards me, it locks in all the way. So on mine, I just put it in all the way, and pull back on it just a bit in one motion and it locks in fully. I'd say it will get easier with use. Thats what she said...... I have a tendancy to post material that can easily be taken in a perverted manner. And upon reading my post, I laughed out loud after you brought that to my attention. lol. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ntucker7 2 Posted December 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 My other two SGM's came Saturday, so I'm going to try and get back out this week. And I'll try Captains method and let you guys know how it goes. I really don't want to return three mags....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGM 217 Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 We have tested these mags to the point of it being ridiculous. There will be a break in period for them to be easier to insert and lock in place. Like a AR mag when you insert it slap the bottom or rock it to make sure it is locked in. We have over 2000 rounds in several mags from the same batch with no issues. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
presto_z 125 Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 I'm having a similar issue but not with the sgm, my factory mag falls out while the sgm locks up solid as can be. I have 4 more sgm mags on the way, I'll let you know how they function. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brando 0 Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 I have the same problem with my 12 rnd mags. They won't lock in, and they fall out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGM 217 Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 As stated before, since there are some variances in the shotguns a break in is required. We have tested many magazines in about 10 different guns, some take more effort to lock in place but they will break in. If they fall out then they are not locked in to start with. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DresNightfire 39 Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Did you try the push and pull technique for mag insertions? Does this also happen when you manually rack the bolt to cycle the rounds out until the mag is emtpy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 For anyone having issues. When you push the mag in rock it a little bit. Make sure it is shoved in all the way. I found that rocking it helped lock it in. After doing this many times it start locking without any effort. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ntucker7 2 Posted December 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 I have been doing this, but as I noted in the other thread, a good smack with my palm on the backside of the mag and it still knocks it loose. I see wear on the locking tab now too, some I'm afraid It's going to get worse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 AS STATED BEFORE BY SGM. IF THE MAG FALLS OUT IT IS NOT LOCKING IN the magazine will need to be broke in. ALL RIFLES ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. THE MAG WILL NEED TO BE BROKE IN. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ntucker7 2 Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Hey Chevyman, I get it. No need to shout. And I think you want to say the mag needs breaking in, cause I sure don't want to 'Broke' it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Some folks are nut-huggers around here, don't worry about em. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Some folks are nut-huggers around here, don't worry about em. Oh god....this guy again. Ya. like lots of others, his reading comprehension isnt the best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Are you having fun flaming folks who are trying, in good faith, to understand their Veprs, accessories, how they interact and work together and troubleshoot issues when they come up? Real helpful. Keep it up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 No one is flaming anyone. Just putting the plain and simple in big bold letters so the ones like you who have a hard time reading can see it better. have fun trolling, it seems to be all you come here for. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ntucker7 2 Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Really? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I have 4 SGM 12 Rounders and 3 Factory 5 Rounders. I haven't had a problem with any of these falling out of the veprs I have shot them from. Over 500 rounds so far. I just got a shipment of 4 more SGMs from MAA today as well, 3 10s and another 12. I will be shooting from those in the next week or so, will report back. No issues with locking or falling out. Definetly take a little bump and wiggle to get the brand new SGMS to lock in, but I suspect, as stated, it will take a little break in - if not I will hit it with paper later on, but first need to look into other items. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Mine work fine, did not fall out. Did have one that the last two shells caught in the top of the magazine. This issue went away after a few hundred rounds. Lot to be said for having patience. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
physicsnerd 139 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I bump this topic because of an interesting occurrence last weekend when I was shooing my Vepr 12 with my new SGM 12s. Before taking them out the first time I had manually broken them in by loading and unloading them and inserting them and removing them several times to make sure I was getting a strong lockup. The one on the right in both pictures below ran fine and I was shooting Federal Multipurpose loads in #8. However, the one on the left was feeding fine but on the 6th or 7th shot the magazine fell out of the gun and would fall out each subsequent shot. I noticed there was a chip missing in the area of highest relief in the mag catch lip. Anyone else had this happen where you develop a chip? I am going to send these images to SGM as it seems that the chip is preventing a solid lockup causing the magazine to fall out on each shot. Since one seems to run and the other doesn't I do not think that this is a gun issue (it also runs fine with the Molot 5s). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
papa_celms 2 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) Check out my topic http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/84047-sgm-mags-jamming/ I had a very similar issue with the magazine tab not getting a good hold on the sgm mags. Had to file the veprs magazine tab SLIGHTLY. But was great after that. For me and possibly for you no amount of breaking in the mag will help. The mag catch on the magazine or the shotgun doesn't come out enough . Mine began showing signs of slight chipping but I figured it out before they had any damage beyond some slight wear near the corner of the mag catch. Edited February 20, 2013 by papa_celms Quote Link to post Share on other sites
physicsnerd 139 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Check out my topic http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/84047-sgm-mags-jamming/ I had a very similar issue with the magazine tab not getting a good hold on the sgm mags. Had to file the veprs magazine tab SLIGHTLY. But was great after that. For me and possibly for you no amount of breaking in the mag will help. The mag catch on the magazine or the shotgun doesn't come out enough . Mine began showing signs of slight chipping but I figured it out before they had any damage beyond some slight wear near the corner of the mag catch. This is interesting. Did you have problems with the Molot mags as well? They show no sign of wear and I have put birdshot and slugs through them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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