DLT 1,646 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Is the Saiga 12 the fastest cycling shotgun in the world? Or does benelli hold that title? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyDingDongs 158 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I know the rumor was that a Benelli rep fired a S12 at a range, just screwing around, and accidentally beat the Benelli record on camera; subsequently costing himself his job. As far as substantiated fact goes, I couldn't tell you. Google kicked out waaaaaay too many results for me to find facts over opinions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unclejake 428 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I do know that mine will cycle faster than a Benelli ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voltia 375 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I think it would depend on the Benelli, seeing as how some are inertia driven and some are gas driven. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sccritterkiller 473 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) Beretta/Beneli....plus my Beretta will do 23/4 to 31/2 and it doesn't matter on the how they are loaded. It eats anything you put in it. I have also dropped in salt water, emptied the water out and killed my limit of ducks. The extrema is the best shotgun on the market...IMHO. Edited June 21, 2013 by sccritterkiller Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Check out the cyclic rate of a F/A S12, That should give you your answer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Stock M4 vs a stock S12, the M4 would blow it away. Talking sporterized crap config. Tromix or Tac47 build vs M4, the M4 fails and begins to seem very overpriced. None of the gear you see the expo shooters use is anywhere near factory stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I think they will all outrun all of us if set up properly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted June 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Ok, in combat configuration, which cycles faster? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BeatTheTunaUp 65 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I would bet my 60 year old Belgium A5 would give both of them a run for their money. Trigger reset is so short, that I sometimes double fire when dove hunting. It's definitely faster than my s308 or xdm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MegamanX 65 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I know the rumor was that a Benelli rep fired a S12 at a range, just screwing around, and accidentally beat the Benelli record on camera; subsequently costing himself his job. As far as substantiated fact goes, I couldn't tell you. Google kicked out waaaaaay too many results for me to find facts over opinions. Thats hilarious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I would bet my 60 year old Belgium A5 would give both of them a run for their money. Trigger reset is so short, that I sometimes double fire when dove hunting. It's definitely faster than my s308 or xdm. Odd that you would say that. The first thing that came to mind after this thread was that my friend's Benelli didn't have noticibly slow cycling time like the A5 I had shot. I actually like the odd delayed ka shuck-shuck reciol reload cycle of the A5, but I would not call it fast. Fast enough for followup for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted June 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Checked out the extrema, but honestly I know I've shot my S12 faster than what I saw on YouTube. So its basically a nobody knows for sure answer at this point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted June 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Okay, looks like the Winchester SX3 is the fastest in the world. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 As long as it can fire faster than I can, I don't give a fuck. Lol interesting thread though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I think a more meaningful number is fastest on target anyway. and fastest with what load... I subscribe to the Ed McGivern theory that speed records don't count unless they are done with standard full power ammo. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coronet 131 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 What is the OP asking? Full auto, or as fast as one can pull the trigger? I've seen the picture of the S12 with a 20 rd drum, and like 7 empty hulls are in the air. I've always believed that as fast as one can pull the trigger is, in fact, faster than FA. I've emptied my 20 round drum as fast as I could possibly pull the trigger. (Winchester double 00 buck) No hiccups. No jams. Of course, I couldn't count the hulls in the air. But it was impressive to me, and to the spectators. And I stayed on target. (a shrub on a hillside) It was a one time deal, as it gets pricey to try and do that all the time. Not scientific at all. But impressive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MegamanX 65 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 My saiga 12 is fast Quote Link to post Share on other sites
su16a 84 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Beretta/Beneli....plus my Beretta will do 23/4 to 31/2 and it doesn't matter on the how they are loaded. It eats anything you put in it. I have also dropped in salt water, emptied the water out and killed my limit of ducks. The extrema is the best shotgun on the market...IMHO. Yep, Beretta make good stuff. I have old Beretta 12ga I got back in 72 or 73 for small game. Don't hunt anymore, just punch paper now with my Saiga collection and other assorted long guns. I still have the Beretta, just a safe queen now. I was looking at shotguns a few months stumbled on this video, very impressive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voltia 375 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Stock M4 vs a stock S12, the M4 would blow it away. Talking sporterized crap config. Tromix or Tac47 build vs M4, the M4 fails and begins to seem very overpriced. None of the gear you see the expo shooters use is anywhere near factory stock. But, wouldn't a Tromix or Tac47 build (and I mean full build, that addresses the action) cost more than an M4? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Despite the claims about "the most recoil reducing features" Berretta definitely kicks harder than either of my saigas with the same shot. I'm not saying it is bad, just noting that "the most features..." is a rather different claim than "the lowest perceived recoil" (Yes, I am aware that the second phrase is a popular claim and extremely difficult to disprove.) It is still a fine gun. A couple of the controls seemed a bit fiddly to me, but the gun was light per length durable and able to fire light loads to 3.5" without changing settings. It must be brutal with the full house 3.5" loads though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MegamanX 65 Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 I have the mako gl shock stock with recoil compensating stock tube. It feels like im bump firing my saiga sometimes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sccritterkiller 473 Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Despite the claims about "the most recoil reducing features" Berretta definitely kicks harder than either of my saigas with the same shot. I'm not saying it is bad, just noting that "the most features..." is a rather different claim than "the lowest perceived recoil" (Yes, I am aware that the second phrase is a popular claim and extremely difficult to disprove.) It is still a fine gun. A couple of the controls seemed a bit fiddly to me, but the gun was light per length durable and able to fire light loads to 3.5" without changing settings. It must be brutal with the full house 3.5" loads though. Maybe it's just me but all I use on my sound hunts is 3.5" #2s and I have went thru a box on a windy day no bruises..saiga 12 drum dumps with ferderal bulk leaves a mark. My 391 has the kickoff system maybe that's the difference IDK. Out of the box Extrema is the best hands down. IMHO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 That sounds like an ergonomics thing. I bet you are holding the beretta better. I still think the berretta and most other semis blow pumps and break action out of the water where recoil is concerned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sccritterkiller 473 Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 That sounds like an ergonomics thing. I bet you are holding the beretta better. I still think the berretta and most other semis blow pumps and break action out of the water where recoil is concerned. Very well may be ergonomics had not thought about that..I will have to pay attention next time I am hunting...I get in zone when the bead has fur and/or feathers on it..All I focus on is background them making the shot...I never do very well punching paper..my budies give me a hard time at the range...they also say the hate to hear me shoot in the woods..."It means we'll be trackin and draggin". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I'm pretty sure I can get my S-12 rocking faster than the SX3. Probably not right now since I haven't been shooting as much, but I think the gun is capable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I don't know man, that SX3 looks pretty darn fast. 12 shots in 1.44 seconds from a semi auto is pretty incredible. If a Saiga, let alone any other semi-auto shotgun can match that, I will be really amazed. Please, someone, Amaze me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I doubt saiga is fastest. It has a lot of weight to sling around inside. It is pretty good at mitigating recoil, especially compared to blowbacks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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