sixshooter 4 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) I bought a Century Arms Catamount Fury (since Saigas were an arm and a leg) in December. It would not cycle no matter what I did, and the dust cover broke off. Well sent it back to Century Arms, and finally got it back. The paperwork says they used Noble 12g 00 Buck to test with 10 rounds. My question is, since it is very similar to the Saiga, what 00 buck do you use? It needs broken in, so I need good 00 buck. I looked for Noble and it is expensive as hell. And I hear it is not that good. Many in forums suggest Win 209. But they do not have the picky Russian clones. Any help is greatly appreciated. I love my girl, but she is picky as my prom date many years ago... LOL Edited April 19, 2016 by sixshooter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 I'd sell it for whatever I could get and then buy a Vepr12. But if you're gonna keep it and want to break it in, buy a 250rd case or two of Rio 00, not the low recoil. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 I'd sell it for whatever I could get and then buy a Vepr12. Seconded! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sixshooter 4 Posted April 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 It is very disappointing that no one is helping.. They just say sell it and get a viper... I did not ask your opinion of the gun.. Many find it reliable.. Are most Saiga and Viper owners rude that tell you to sell your gun?? I am very disappointed and think this forum is full of bullies of owners that own something other than Vipers!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/87503-catamount-fury-tear-down-and-review/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonWienke 131 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Lube the action with Remington 40X Bore Cleaner or JB Bore Paste, then hand-cycle the action until it smooths out. Both products contain a mild abrasive that will polish mating surfaces and smooth out rough areas without burning up $200 worth of ammo. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 You would use the same system as with any other gun. Work out what the weakest ammo it runs is using a chart like this: If you unscrew the plug you will see that parts of it block the opening to the gas port. The one facing the gas port is the one that counts. So if you have it set to the notch that blocks the port the least, that is the correct setting for your very weakest ammo. When you try a new kind of ammo to you, Always start on the most restrictive, then open it up a notch at a time until the ammo runs. That's the setting for that particular shell. Set your gun at the most wide open of it's gas settings, by running the gas plug all the way in, then backing it out to the correct notch. Now bring some ammo such as federal feild and target in 2 3/4 dr eq, 3 dr, eq and 3 1/4 dr. eq. If your gun flawlessly cycles the ammo at 3.25 but fails to eject on 3, then you either need to do action work, or just always buy 3.25 or hotter based on the chart. Or maybe it runs 3, but not 2.75.... Some cheap brands are a little weaker than they say, so you might need to buy those brands a notch higher on the chart than normal. Then run only stuff hotter than that. I probably wouldn't run many 3" magnums in the catemounts though. I think that is asking for premature failure after looking at some of the castings. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 FYI, buckshot, if it is true OO, is 1/8 oz per pellet. Therefore the standard 9 pellet load is 1 1/8 oz of shot. Some brands like Remington tend to use shot that is smaller than true OOB. For most shotguns in this category you will need to run 9pellet OOB loads at 1200 FPS or faster. 8 pellet loads at 1245, etc, (That's assuming a gun that runs 3 dram. If yours needs 3.25 dr, eq, follow the numbers for that tier.) Tactical, Law Enforcement, Reduced Recoil, etc. are all euphemisms for reduced power. These tend to suck for a variety of reasons. Many of them don't admit their pitiful velocities, but they tend to be around 1100 FPS, and often also reduce the payload to 8 pellets (1 oz). This is dumb, and you can expect them not to cycle. Besides your semi auto shotgun puts some of that recoil into cycling the action. I think you will find that full power 9 pellet OOB at 1325 FPS- i.e. standard feild loads are easier to handle in your kitty than the wimpified "tactical" loads in a fixed breach gun like a pump. For home defense, I suggest getting a more optimum load such as #4 buck at 1350-1400 FPS or #1 at ~1325 FPS. They have far more pellets in a better pattern and have optimum penetration, unlike OOB. Many in forums suggest Win 209. That is actually a designation of a Primer. Winchester AA is a good brand of birdshot loads, but look at the numbers more than the brand. If you buy low recoil AA you will have a bad time. If you buy full power AA, you will have a good time. Winchester Universal, is kinda junk and you probably will have to buy it a notch hotter than it's box says to be reliable. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) It is very disappointing that no one is helping.. They just say sell it and get a viper... I did not ask your opinion of the gun.. Many find it reliable.. Are most Saiga and Viper owners rude that tell you to sell your gun?? I am very disappointed and think this forum is full of bullies of owners that own something other than Vipers!!!! First off, I directly answered your primary question with an ammo recommendation for breaking the action in. Second, I, nor anyone else gave you a direct opinion of your gun, nor told you to sell it. I told you what I would do, and others agreed with one or both of my opinions. Yes, it was an indirect slam, but frigging eh, does it really bother you that much? When you ask questions in an open public forum you should be prepared for all sorts of answers/questions, some good, some bad and some not worth reading. No one has been rude to you, or bullied you. Learn the difference, then you might be able to hang out here and have fun. The family here can bicker and be a bit dysfunctional, but all in all they're good folks here. I've often told new people to have a thick skin here, cause the moderation is very light and almost anything goes. This is not a politically correct place and people often disagree or just not like each other, which is why we have a sub-forum such as the Fight Club. Now, I'll show you a rude and bullying troll, with the usual bad spelling, grammar and all. I hope you and others see my humor for what it is. ................................................................................ Man are you stupid to buy a POS like that you need to sell it and buy the worlds only shottie worth a shit, the Veper12 or a Tromix12!!!!!!!!!! That thing was cr@p from the design board, what do you expect rice eating Chinks to put out, quality?????????? YOUR A DUMBASSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even the best shotshells out there won't help that thng cycle properlyand the best are Wally World Winchester Universal Bulk, hands down every one else knows this Wut R u 2 stoopid to know this? Now you act like a pussy bottom boy and cries about how you get abused here Take the Capris off and put on sum Levis real man pants Toughen up sissy boy and quit gettin yor feelings hurt be a real man and get a viper12. Wut do you feel Triggered like a libtard Socialist colledge pansy pussy, do U want a Safe Place to cry in? Get your fat ass outta mommies basement, shave that neckbeard and take a shower for fucks sake If you had a real job like me you could afford a real shotgun like the Vipr 12 and ammo to burn. so sell that POS and get a Vipr 12. Edited April 20, 2016 by ChileRelleno 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Thanks Chilli....... I squirted my drink outta my nose, damn near choked to death 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sixshooter 4 Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 I am done... ChileRelleno that is rude that you call me.... I am not here to be called anything.... I am done with this group of people like you... People like that give gun people the reason people want gun control... Thanks for the people who helped.. but rude people I can not stand, nor will tolerate!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Dude!! He was pulling your leg...lighten up a bit, lots of help here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Heartbreaker 1,085 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Edited April 20, 2016 by Heartbreaker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Exactly which loads have you tried and the weapon failed? You might try some Winchester AA 1300 fps 1-1/8 oz (you can usually find it at Walmart). It is a pretty decent cheap load. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 RUDE???? Wouldn't that describe someone who posts about their shitty wannbe , in a forum for the REAL thing - and THEN gets their panties in a bunch! JUST RUDE! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 ChileRelleno That fake rant is freaking great, HA! Would have been even better if it was your real response. And the guy thought it was. What a douche Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 You guys should meet Mr. Todd Curtis, aka sixshooter, https://www.facebook.com/toddcrauch?fref=nf He posed this same question on Saiga Owners United on Facebook, and was told numerous times to sell his gun and buy other options, e.g. DDI, Saiga or Vepr12 He got his dick in a knot there too. Matt Toney You need to reload Like · Reply · Yesterday at 11:38am Derek Buckner Get your money back. There not worth the trouble. They really are a cheaply made Chinese AK. Ddi imports some other Chinese AK shotgun and builds off it I think. It's called a ddi 12 if I remember right. Takes saiga mags and handguards ar15 stocks and AK pistol grips. Saiga muzzle breaks and gas pucks and plugs the same as a saiga. They go for about 600$ Like · Reply · Yesterday at 11:41am Derek Buckner I thought because it was Chinese it would be good quality like a norinco. I was wrong. There just not worth the effort. It will be a money pit by the time you invest all the money into it you will have wished you got something better to start. Like · Reply · Yesterday at 11:43am Matt Toney Good reviews on ddi. And they have ar style safteys and left handed charging handles Like · Reply · Yesterday at 11:44am Todd Curtis I asked what shells you use... Not to bash the gun!!!! Many have had good results with the gun!!!!! Like · Reply · Yesterday at 11:46am Todd Curtis If your not going to help then dont comment!!! Like · Reply · Yesterday at 11:46am Todd took his toy and ran home, but the comments kept coming. Vadim Igorevich 1. Sell that thing as soon as possible. 2. Run like hell3. Buy a Vepr 12 for $7004. Live your life happy Like · Reply · 2 · Yesterday at 12:17pm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magsite20 1,664 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) just bought a catamount fury 1 today when it gets here I'll see what I got for my $398.95. most of the saigas and veprs I've been seeing are going for at least twice that or more so it's a crap shoot. see if I got one of the ones that work or a Chinese version of a vodka special. figure I needed a project gun to play with, hope I don't have to work at it to make it run because for the first year the warranty is going to do the lifting not me. oh I'll clean and deburr as needed try a spring or 2 but not getting into gas blocks and such. after the year is up then I look at conversions or what ever else on the gun 1st is just to have a working gun. time will tell. 1st photo it's a cat (catamount) thing. 2nd photo seems like sometimes it doesn't work out for everyone. Edited April 21, 2016 by the 4th Doctor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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armalite_ar50 86 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I looked at one of those century turds about a year ago. Thing would have looked better if I had made it out in my blacksmith shop. One I looked at was 600 bux and the bolt face was already pinged over. Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magsite20 1,664 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 at just under $400 and seeing the other threads here and watching Greg's videos at CSS it seemed to me this gun was worth a look. I'll make a call on to keep it or move to get my money back on a resale pretty quick. I'm in my 60s so chances are even a china made gun could last me the rest of my life plus I just wanted a new toy to play with. sixshooter seems to have never had to deal with something new that didn't work as he expected it to right out of the box. the fact he went to saiga sites shows he may not understand the world of forums. if the new gun will cycle a good buckshot load or slug reliably you have a starting point to work from, if you want to try. If it will cycle a good game load of birdshot (1255 fps) you've got a gun that while it might be nice if it cycled wally world cheapest crap ammo you can't really complain about. if you want something that shoots any ammo get a single shot. while I do believe saigas are better than these furys lest we forget every saiga made did not thrill the new owner in the beginning I had at least one that was a pain in the butt to get to cycle till I got the gas block off and poked 1 more gas port. for now these are what's available: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armalite_ar50 86 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 You are right about that 4th Doctor. My 1st saiga took 30 bux in dremmel polishing and about 150.00 in the cheapo wally world ammo before it functioned as it was supposed to. The 2nd one I currently own ran right out of the box with the reliability of a single shot but the ability of mag feed. In other words it did work without even a break in. Fed every shot and went bang every time. I was fully prepared though to do the work on it that I did on the 1st one. When I looked at the fury it was 600.00 the Saiga was 1100, for a extra 500 bux I just figured it was worth it since both were right there on the shelf. Not knock'n that fury but I'm a firm believer in buy once cry once and I was/did send out a F1 for it so that was a deciding factor too. In other words the saiga has EVERYTHING made for it and a really really HUGE fan base to fix/tinker with it. Not to mention the companies like Tromix and CSS that are supporting it. That was worth the extra coin to me. Rich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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