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#1 Mike Davidson

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 05:14 PM

Here is a concept I made. 23rds. This one can also load on a closed bolt, activate the last round bolt hold open and doesn’t bust like a melon or damage the internal sprocket if dropped fully loaded let alone empty. The pic makes it look like the tower area is longer but it does fit flush to the magwell...

I was totally scratching my head the first time I saw the 25rd drum. Crazy how much bigger it is for just 2 more rounds. A perfect example on the difference design can make in a product...

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:16 PM

Good idea...I would buy one.
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Posted 01 February 2018 - 02:19 PM

Well, the SGM 25 rounder I bought for testing sucks. It can't keep up with me like the MD-20s I have will. I think you could sell some of those. I'd buy at least a couple for testing. That's the only time I fire Vepr-12s anymore.

 

I see what you did there. Well done.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 01:44 PM

Looks like an awesome idea Mike.  Is that a one off or can you knock out a few more ??? For testing purposes!!!  I'd take 6 off your hands if you can produce.  You're even close enough that I'd road trip and pick them up.


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 06:00 AM

Mike, you are one of very few who designs wisely and actually understands what we want.


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 12:18 PM

Great design. Too bad about the market.....


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:02 PM

Market?
CSSPECS flourishes in this market.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 09:32 AM

I'll buy a few Mike



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Posted 03 March 2018 - 02:42 PM

I’m in as well should you release some.

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 01:41 PM

Market?
CSSPECS flourishes in this market.

they dont need to sell in the volum that polymer molds require....



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 09:05 PM

My point is that in the niche world of 12g AK's the doubles are going to sell.
Look at how the MD20 sold and you didn't see it marketed like junk ass ProMag or SGM.
The market is there, even if new guns aren't coming in.

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 11:36 AM

Volume of production determines the price. If a mold costs $25,000  and you only sell 700 mags ....


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Posted 05 May 2018 - 12:46 AM

My point is that in the niche world of 12g AK's the doubles are going to sell.
Look at how the MD20 sold and you didn't see it marketed like junk ass ProMag or SGM.
The market is there, even if new guns aren't coming in.


You are a smart man! Theres more S-12/V-12 and clones then ever. S-12/V-12/KS-12/DDI-12/Trench 12/Lynx and more coming (like the new tristar bull pup). Theres more damn shotguns that take S-12/V-12 type mags then when the russians were coming in. And guess what? You dont have to be a rocket surgeon to figure out that they will all need MULTIPLE extra mags! Prefferably reliable,quality mags with good capacity. And dont forget firing pins,extractors,springs,bolts,carriers etc etc..you know, the stuff that keeps the gun from becoming an extremely expensive paperweight. The stuff that is not currently availible and you would have a complete monopoly on if offered for sale.
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Posted 05 May 2018 - 01:20 PM

 

Market?
CSSPECS flourishes in this market.

they dont need to sell in the volum that polymer molds require....

 

 

Correct.. We make tooling in house so our cost for a tooling set is a lot lower than someone who has to buy it, and we do the metal cutting and forming vs needing to have an injection molding house do the work (plastic injection machines are big and expensive).. So lower cost of development but higher cost per part, Basically my costs flat line at around 1000 parts, they don't go down because the cost is the time it takes a person to insert and remove the part from the press.

 

One question I have with the photo of the drum.. How did they eliminate the need for the dummy rounds in the tower? Because a 20 round drum body with a tower that is three rounds tall is 20 rounds plus three dummy rounds that are needed to fill space of the tower, the only way around this would be a follower arm on some sort of cam arm that would complete the feeding into the tower without occupying the spaces in the drum.. My understanding of the MD arms drum is that it has either 20 or 21 spaces with one occupied by the dummy round and one live round stays in the feed tower.






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