Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Nice price James and great idea. Just make it happen and they will sell, no matter what else is out there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G-Rem 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 make 'em Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steph 5 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I preordered from AGP. I have kept quiet and been patient, but there are so many anticipated ship dates followed by unexpected delays I'm starting to wonder... That being said; There is no way I am going to pay over $60.00 for a magazine; I'll just go with a pile of five rounders, even if it severely limits my tactical capability, there are so many advantages to the S-12, it still surpasses the my tube fed pumps and autos. The first guy to bring a high capacity mag at a reasonable price to market gets my business; I prefer 8 rounds to 10, polymer to steel, but will use any / either. Then I need a quality pouch for them... And a magwell... Please, Santa... I've been extra good this year! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hartle_L 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I was one of the first to get on the pre order list at AGP for the 10 rounders. I believe that AGP will come through on the 10 round magazines. Having said that I would also be interested in purchasing 8rd. mags for my Saiga 12 as well. I have wanted them for a while but I just can't bring myself to spend over $100 for a single magazine. Like the movie says "If you build it they will come" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=12747 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
random sylvester 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 (edited) yes make them I know youll sell some over the ditch here, maybe you could make some in 7 round (with a larger carrier or shorter mag bodies) so guys in NZ could use them on thier A - cat licence Edited October 19, 2006 by random sylvester Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CHOPPER CHIP 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I'll take 2. charge my card and ship!! .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Genocide 0 Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Damn straight I'd be interested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaltPeter 6 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 (edited) Jesus! When I bought my Saiga in March of 2003, extra 8 round mags were $19.95 each! If I knew it was going to come to this I would have bought $1000 worth. I'd have enough money today to buy a new motorcycle! Edited October 20, 2006 by SaltPeter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunboy69 50 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 If they look as good as the .308 20s,make'em and they will come. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tec Nine 0 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 If say someone were to get line drawings for those from the Russians and put them into a cad drawing to make here in the US, would anyone have a hissy fit about those? Dont waste your time and ours with an "I'll take XX number!" post, just a simple comment on the market will do. CAD Drawing? That's not the hard part....don't waste your time and ours with that:) The issue is the milling of a pair of male and female molds. Even with CAD drawings, it's extremely expensive. You'd be better off getting the code for the CNC to mill them out stateside, and even that's not as good as getting a tested dupe set of molds direct from Russia. The metal is the pricey part...Cad/gCode/whatever isn't as tough. Once you have the metal in hand it's child's play for just about any injection house. If you're really interested, it might be worth calling CavArms and asking them....they'll likley echo my statements though. take care, Tec Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berszerk 0 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 If say someone were to get line drawings for those from the Russians and put them into a cad drawing to make here in the US, would anyone have a hissy fit about those? Dont waste your time and ours with an "I'll take XX number!" post, just a simple comment on the market will do. CAD Drawing? That's not the hard part....don't waste your time and ours with that:) The issue is the milling of a pair of male and female molds. Even with CAD drawings, it's extremely expensive. You'd be better off getting the code for the CNC to mill them out stateside, and even that's not as good as getting a tested dupe set of molds direct from Russia. The metal is the pricey part...Cad/gCode/whatever isn't as tough. Once you have the metal in hand it's child's play for just about any injection house. If you're really interested, it might be worth calling CavArms and asking them....they'll likley echo my statements though. take care, Tec Dude, FBMG/Pvt Pyle knows what he's talking about, as the company about to put the 20rnd S308 mags on the market, I have faith that they probably have a bit more knownledge than assumed. All that aside Cav arms may be skilled at this too, but where the hell have they been during this whole process, arm chair quarterbacking this project is just an irritation to those of use that have been glued to the computer screen waiting patiently. Never ass u me anything Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PvtPyle 0 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 CAD Drawing? That's not the hard part....don't waste your time and ours with that:) The issue is the milling of a pair of male and female molds. Even with CAD drawings, it's extremely expensive. You'd be better off getting the code for the CNC to mill them out stateside, and even that's not as good as getting a tested dupe set of molds direct from Russia. The metal is the pricey part...Cad/gCode/whatever isn't as tough. Once you have the metal in hand it's child's play for just about any injection house. If you're really interested, it might be worth calling CavArms and asking them....they'll likley echo my statements though. take care, Tec Yeah, we went thuru this already and it all began with a simple CAD drawing. I think we have the rest of it figured out now so we wont make the same mistakes again. And the Cav Arms quote in their thread came in a bit higher than what we got here locally from the same guys doing our 308 mags. Thanks for the advice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.G 0 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I would definately take 4-5 minimum. The 8 rd mags seem like they would be eaiser to shoot from the prone position than the 10 rd mags. I also would prefer plastic to metal but would purchase either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GTwannabe 1 Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 7 or 8 rounds is preferable to 10 rounds for those of us in states where we can't legally pistol-grip our Saigas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
frick 3 Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) The 8 rounders barely clear the front handgrip during insertion, I have a tactical rail on the bottom, the molded in type, and need the grip fairly far back for comfort, I got a feeling the tens are going to hit the grip during mag insertion, but I wont know until I OWN a few. I am also limited in how far forward I can mount the streamlight, the grip, and still have room to rock the mag into postion. That said, I dont give poo if they are 8 or 10 for the same amount of money, I would pay 100 bucks each if I knew I could get them in a week, and not wait a year, and then, maybe..... Edited October 24, 2006 by frick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wakal 10 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 7 or 8 rounds is preferable to 10 rounds for those of us in states where we can't legally pistol-grip our Saigas Umm...you are aware that the mag capacity that the BATFE "worries" about is more than FIVE, right? And that a US made magazine counts as three "parts"? Alex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoAim 0 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 The 8 rounders barely clear the front handgrip during insertion, I have a tactical rail on the bottom, the molded in type, and need the grip fairly far back for comfort, I got a feeling the tens are going to hit the grip during mag insertion, but I wont know until I OWN a few. I am also limited in how far forward I can mount the streamlight, the grip, and still have room to rock the mag into postion. That said, I dont give poo if they are 8 or 10 for the same amount of money, I would pay 100 bucks each if I knew I could get them in a week, and not wait a year, and then, maybe..... Try a shorter VFG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SinistralRifleman 0 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) PvtPyle, that price in the other thread was a rough estimate on the high side including first production run of 1,000 pieces If you ever want an official quote on molds for magazines, buttstocks, handguards, pistol grips, receivers, or anything else polymer based contact us. ...All that aside Cav arms may be skilled at this too, but where the hell have they been during this whole process,.. We pay attention to the forums too...as I posted before we never pursued anything with Saiga magazines because several people were on the cusp of releasing them for so long. Ironically when we finally thought oh well no one is going to deliver...AGP releases samples the same week. There are better things for us to spend our time on than fight over a limited market. I'll be happy to Endorse/Use/Sell whatever reliable magazines are available on the market. If 8 rounders become available I will probably get some of them too. I am already planning on using the various capacities of magazines to denote different ammo types. Edited October 25, 2006 by SinistralRifleman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 The 8 rounders barely clear the front handgrip during insertion, I have a tactical rail on the bottom, the molded in type, and need the grip fairly far back for comfort, I got a feeling the tens are going to hit the grip during mag insertion, but I wont know until I OWN a few. I am also limited in how far forward I can mount the streamlight, the grip, and still have room to rock the mag into postion. That said, I dont give poo if they are 8 or 10 for the same amount of money, I would pay 100 bucks each if I knew I could get them in a week, and not wait a year, and then, maybe..... This should answer your question... Mine is the Russian tactical forearm with Russian folding grip. It's set all the way to the rear and the mag clears no prob. Actually it's kinda cool. The grip serves as a guide in the dark. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Cobra, can we count on you at the next CTI shotgun match? Heck once we stomp the competition you'll be able to sell S-12s like hotcakes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Oops sorry Pyle, wrong thread... I'm sure your mags will be shaped pretty much the same though if you guys are still going ahead with them. Topmaul I wish I could say yes bro but truth is, I'm just too damned broke to get in and buy all that ammo. I'm going thru all mine just testing these mags. Now maybe if I got sponsored somehow...? I've got plenty of mags I could share. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlenderWizard 12 Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Mags in the $50 range is exactly why I sold my S-308. $50 is way too much for a mag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AKOK 4 Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 hey, dont feel bad, I found some 308 8 rounders when they were scarce for the factory rate, sold them, because noone posted and wanted them, and the guy sold them on ebay for almost double what I sold them to him for, so far as I know. so dont feel bad. but deals are out there, no worries! dont give up! but then again, this is a 12 gauge topic, not a 308 topic.....which are two totally diffferent stories..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GTwannabe 1 Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 7 or 8 rounds is preferable to 10 rounds for those of us in states where we can't legally pistol-grip our Saigas Umm...you are aware that the mag capacity that the BATFE "worries" about is more than FIVE, right? And that a US made magazine counts as three "parts"? Alex I'm just saying that 10-round mag on a non-pistol gripped Saiga would: 1. Be excessively long and unwieldy 2. Look stupid Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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