RMTactical 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Anyone have the inside scoop? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DHunter 1 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 I have no clue. BTW, howdy from another Ut county resident. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 They make one in .223 which is almost the same thing. Plus for the US market, which is better? 5.56 nato which is made everywhere or 5.45x39 which you can probably only get in surplus? It's just not good business to compete with yourself for basically the same market... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micah360 6 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 That's a good question... I bet they would sell like hotcakes if they did. 5.45 is so cheap! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 They make one in .223 which is almost the same thing. Plus for the US market, which is better? 5.56 nato which is made everywhere or 5.45x39 which you can probably only get in surplus? It's just not good business to compete with yourself for basically the same market... $0.12 for 5.45, $0.60 for 5.56. Screw 5.56. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Hopefully they will in the future. Already got my mags! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ASSASSIN 1 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Hi I think the reason why Izhmash dont make a saiga in 5.45mm is that 5.45mm is their current designated military calliber and there are no civillian rifles in that calliber unlike 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r There is an export law in Russia that forbids the export of military equipment and the 5.45mm rifles are only for military consumption at the moment. as far as i can understand from the guys at Izhmash this is the reason. I have been in touch with several military equipment suppliers in Russia and it is the same wherever you ask. you can have a civillian posp 4x24 but not the military pso-1 , both nearly identical but rules is rules as they say. assassin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 So why don't they sell the 5.6x39 (aka 220 Russian), it is on the approved list... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 So why don't they sell the 5.6x39 (aka 220 Russian), it is on the approved list... Probably because nobody would buy it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 ...LOL... Well a few more calibers to spice things up may not be a bad idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buckandaquarterquarterstaff 5 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I'd take 223 over 5.45 any day. The 5.45 doesn't have enough gas to fragment bullets and without fragmentation, it's a squirrel gun. They call it the poison bullet because it doesn't drop the intended target. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
us_dragunov 11 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Hi I think the reason why Izhmash dont make a saiga in 5.45mm is that 5.45mm is their current designated military calliber and there are no civillian rifles in that calliber unlike 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r There is an export law in Russia that forbids the export of military equipment and the 5.45mm rifles are only for military consumption at the moment. as far as i can understand from the guys at Izhmash this is the reason. I have been in touch with several military equipment suppliers in Russia and it is the same wherever you ask. you can have a civillian posp 4x24 but not the military pso-1 , both nearly identical but rules is rules as they say. assassin I am going to make a highly educated guess that this is exactly why. Here in Russia civilians can't buy 5.45. They can't even buy a Russian bayonet unless it has been demilled. They can't have military cartridges either like the 7N1 7.62x54R that we have been able to get lately. It is a military round and not legal to have here in Russia by civilians. The 7.62x54R cartridge that is favored here for shooting by civilians is I think the same thing (it's packaged different) as the Wolf 200 gr. EXTRA Match. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Hi I think the reason why Izhmash dont make a saiga in 5.45mm is that 5.45mm is their current designated military calliber and there are no civillian rifles in that calliber unlike 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r There is an export law in Russia that forbids the export of military equipment and the 5.45mm rifles are only for military consumption at the moment. as far as i can understand from the guys at Izhmash this is the reason. I have been in touch with several military equipment suppliers in Russia and it is the same wherever you ask. you can have a civillian posp 4x24 but not the military pso-1 , both nearly identical but rules is rules as they say. assassin I am going to make a highly educated guess that this is exactly why. Here in Russia civilians can't buy 5.45. They can't even buy a Russian bayonet unless it has been demilled. They can't have military cartridges either like the 7N1 7.62x54R that we have been able to get lately. It is a military round and not legal to have here in Russia by civilians. The 7.62x54R cartridge that is favored here for shooting by civilians is I think the same thing (it's packaged different) as the Wolf 200 gr. EXTRA Match. The Russian military is based around being wiley and using supplies that are of little use to their enemies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saigaczech 9 Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 BTW, if you are looking for a nice AK-74 build in 5.45x39 the new Hi Standard - InterArms Wz88 Tantals are really nice for $600. Just an FYI. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RMTactical 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I have rifles in .223/5.56 so this caliber makes sense for me, but for people out there with AK-74 clones, they surely have plenty of 5.45 or buy it anyways... I was just wondering, but it seems that I have some good answers that possibly answer the question. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrClean4Hire 0 Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Take this for what you paid for it, but there is a rumor that they will have 5.45 rifles imported by early next year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Take this for what you paid for it, but there is a rumor that they will have 5.45 rifles imported by early next year. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=28078&hl= Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agias 0 Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Why are so many of you saying Saiga like it was the manufacturer's name? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Anyone have the inside scoop? I guess you have seen all the AR15 uppers in 5.45 now being offered. S&W M&P15R, Model 1 sales, and Olympic have them. They say it will use standard mags with the 6.8 followers. I was intrigued but I prefer the Arsenal or Vepr's in this cal. The only other 5.45 I could see wanting is if and when the Masada is configured this way due to its piston action vs gas tube, heat issues etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 If the Russians won't export 5.45x39 rifles then other countries will. I see Romanian made rifles in 5.45x39 as well as the Bulgarian and Polish examples. It would be nice to have a Saiga in 5.45x39 especially now that ammo still hasn't skyrocketed to the price of .223 or 7.62x39 calibers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 If the Russians won't export 5.45x39 rifles then other countries will. I see Romanian made rifles in 5.45x39 as well as the Bulgarian and Polish examples. It would be nice to have a Saiga in 5.45x39 especially now that ammo still hasn't skyrocketed to the price of .223 or 7.62x39 calibers. Somebody posted an email from RAAC elsewhere here, uzitiger, telling us that 5.45x39 Saigas are on the way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WardenWolf 6 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Easier to just buy a Tantal or a SAR-2 and put whatever AK stock on them you want. Beauty of the Tantal is it's a folder that can still accept standard stocks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AgentLQ 3 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Why are so many of you saying Saiga like it was the manufacturer's name? CRY MORE NEWB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltham_41 52 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Why are so many of you saying Saiga like it was the manufacturer's name? Its easier to spell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SirROFL 13 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 The Russian military is based around being wiley and using supplies that are of little use to their enemies. The U.S. uses 80mm and 150mm mortars...guess what the Russians use. 81mm and 151mm, so they can use our rounds, but we can't use theirs. I'm pretty sure there are 5.45 Saigas, but they are only sold outside the U.S. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I'm pretty sure there are 5.45 Saigas, but they are only sold outside the U.S. But not for much longer. . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AgentLQ 3 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I'm pretty sure there are 5.45 Saigas, but they are only sold outside the U.S. But not for much longer. . . You 'splain! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) I'm pretty sure there are 5.45 Saigas, but they are only sold outside the U.S. But not for much longer. . . You 'splain! If you'll read this whole thread, I already have. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=28078 Edited September 28, 2008 by nalioth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AgentLQ 3 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I remember now... thanks you Nalioth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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