jon elia 0 Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 i bet all of yall are gonna say get a saiga but i'm about to "upgrade" my 20ga 500 and get a 12 ga pump gun. price has me looking at the 870 and the 500 my 500 works great and the only reason for the change is the availability of ammo for the 12 over the 20. i'm gonna go to academy and check both of these out i have alot of experience with the 500 and some with the 870 but i want to get some opinions from owners and see what are the pros and cons of both. i know the 870 is heavier and thats cuz of the reciever mainly. lets see some pics. the 870 can have a tube ext. and the 500 cant the 500 would be the 5+1 model with an 18.5 inch bbl...exactly like the one i have now cept 12ga i just want to hear what the dif. is from people who have used both Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaShooter 0 Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Well, I'm pretty partial to the 500, both me and my brother own own, and a buddy of ours owns the 870. When we go skeetshooting, it's not uncommon for us to blow through 200 rounds of Winchester target load. So far, I've never had a jam or misfire, and neither has my brother. Our friend with the 870 has had one problem with his gun, the elevator broke, it was stuck in the down position, and it had to be pushed up into place manually for the last 100 rounds of the day. Aside from that, all 3 guns have been very good. The dual action bars on the 500 are nice, as the pump dosen't twist as much as the 870's single bar design. Eitherway, it's hard to go wrong with either of these guns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 (edited) I'm partial to the 870, I've got the 18in model that comes with the extension tube for $300. Plus I've added my own accessories. I just think the 870 feels and looks stronger. Edited May 31, 2005 by KySoldier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ivrfrkbrd 0 Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Hey!!! Don't overlook the Mossberg 835 Ultra mag! For the price of a 870 Express you can get a quality 835 ultra mag. My 835s hold 5 3"shells in the tube and one in the chamber. (More if using 2 3/4" shells.) I also like the option to abuse my shoulder and the sound waves by cranking some 3-1/2" turkey loads out of them. Being right-brained, I also like the top-mounted thumb-safety. I've abused mine and the only time its jammed on me is when I've neglected cleaning it during the throes of bird season. The one thing that I do when they are NIB is take some real fine wet/dry sandpaper and gently rub off any sharp edges on the parts. If you wear off some finish just cold-blue it. I currently own two-one for birds and the other I converted into a dedicated slug-gun with a rifled barrel. Hopes this helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon elia 0 Posted June 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 WELL I DECIDED FOR MYSELF I WENT WITH THE 500A NOW I TRADED MY 20GA FOR ITS BIG BROTHER MOR OR LESS....(sorry for caps but i dont feel like retyping) for what i sold my old one for and my old ladies aniversary gift i got 125 rounds of ammo the new shotgun and a nice new shirt. the 870 just didn't fit me as well....and i like the saftey since i have to shoot lefty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ford_stud2004 0 Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 I've had both the 500 and the 870. Both are damn good guns. Personally I like the 870 more cuz you can accessorize it alot more than the 500. I only use mine for hunting. I have an 870 now with a 10 shot extention, pistol grip buttstock and fiber optic sites for pheasant season and i have a 7 shot extention with 1.5-3x scope for deer season. If I had a choice i'd take the 870 over the 500 any day. I also have a Escort Aimguard 12 ga. with a 20 in barrel and 7+1 tube and ramp site. I use the as my home defense shotgun. Its nice an light and easy to manuver. Ford Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon elia 0 Posted June 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 i heard you can order a 20 inch bbl and the longer mag tube from mossberg...so i might do that so i'd have several combos of barrels to choose from....a buddy of mine has an extra 28 inch vent rib bbl i think would be real good for shooting trap..but i gotta see how the 18.5 inch cylinder bore does first and by the way the 12 ga patterns(not patern test but shooting at stuff and seeing how densie the little holes are) way better than my 20ga did...maybe its all that extra shot but who knows Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Enjoy the new shotgun...it really would be best for a lefty, if you want to use the safety (I never use mine). There is a 20" model with an 8 shot capacity, "The Persuader," which comes in this configuration that I saw at Gilberts. https://www.gilbertsguns.com/store/products...f06ab527e5cb04b Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon elia 0 Posted June 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 thats the bbl i am talking about i want to get that one and the longer mag tube so i can make a bayo mount for the m16 bayo i have...too bad tony isn't doing his thing anymore.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TWGLADF 0 Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 there's more accessories for the 870 than the 500. (more stock options, extended mag tubes, different barrel types, etc, etc, etc) i used to have a 500 and i still have an 870. they are both DAMN good shottys. but i feel you may be happier (if only slightly) with the 870. i forgot to mention the 500 has plastic trigger housing and 870 has aluminum. not sure if that helps you decide at all. good luck! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TWGLADF 0 Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 wait a minute my 870 has dual bars! saiga shooter posted that the 870 has a single bar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Good observation, my 870 has dual bars too. The Mossberg does have dual extractors... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaShooter 0 Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Yours have dual bars? all the ones I've seen have a single bar on the left hand side. hmm.....maybe they were older models. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 both my 500 and 870 are in the closet. they are junk, dont feed everything the saiga feeds, and yes ive tested that theory out. i would take the cheaper gun out of the pair though any day. buy one for each hand. the other option is a cheap coach gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon elia 0 Posted June 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 i got a couple of pics of the new 500...sorry for the shitty camera... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Locally (MD) the mossberg maveric is $199 with 3 screw chokes. Stuff is damned expensive around here, so most of you should be able to beat that price. G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TWGLADF 0 Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 yep about $150 at my local wally world Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 thats the bbl i am talking about i want to get that one and the longer mag tube so i can make a bayo mount for the m16 bayo i have...too bad tony isn't doing his thing anymore.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i know mossberg makes the bayo mount on the 590 to fit the m16 bayo..i'm not sure if they would sell that part seperately or not though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BOB G 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 I have owned both brands I like the 870 better there are more repair parts out there and up grades. They also have a steel receiver. With the extension tube I can also get 15 rounds of the Aguila short shells in them. ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dinzag 31 Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Aren't those cute!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Aren't those cute!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> as long as your not on the business end Quote Link to post Share on other sites
k_dawg 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 yea, still more UMPH!! than a .45acp And full load 12 guage is hard with just a pistol grip. I do not like a stock on my home defense weapon.. unweildly for close quarters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amish_psycho 0 Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Has anyone tried the minis in an S-12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaGroaner 2 Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 (edited) Has anyone tried the minis in an S-12? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've tried them in my Mossy and you have to keep the muzzle slightly canted downward when jacking a new round into the chamber. I still had several flip the wrong way while pumping it. They are a novelty at best. As far as 870 vs 500 goes...I shot trap for many years with an 870 and a Mossberg. I never broke the ejector on the Mossberg but replaced several on my 870. I don't own an 870 anymore. Edited July 30, 2005 by DaGroaner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
okie shooter 0 Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 Got a mossburg/mavrick, for one thirty five with three chokes, new in box, so they are good enough priced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon elia 0 Posted August 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 I JUST WANTED TO ADD I FELT THE MAVERIC BECAUSE IT WAS CHEAPER THAN THE 500 AND IT WELT KINDA (dman capslock)"weak" to me so i went with the 500 it seems a helluvalot more solid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 For the Aguila shorts, I've read that the Winchesters are the best for cycling them reliably. I had a crazy idea for a winchester tactical shotgun with mini-shells. They have the long and short tubes like Mossberg. However, they have the screw capped ends and looped barrels like Remingtons. Meaning a mag extension for a short mag will also work on a long mag. You'd just need a barrel to match. So I would get a longer barrel and put a spacer along the tube in between the cap and the barrel loop. The result would be larger than 10rd with regular shells. Just think of how many short shells it could hold. High capacity, hmph... this would be HYPER capacity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 "High capacity, hmph... this would be HYPER capacity. " so what your saying is...it would be like a 25 rd shotgun? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Seems like the MAG7 would be more appropriate, or perhaps something in FA? (That could put down a prison riot!) For those of you who don't know this gun... http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh20-e.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolverine 10,360 Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 I have owned both brands I like the 870 better there are more repair parts out there and up grades. They also have a steel receiver. With the extension tube I can also get 15 rounds of the Aguila short shells in them. ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ Bob G, Nice looking 870. Two questions. Is it safe/legal to have the extension extend beyond the muzzle? and Where did you find such an extension for your shottie? Wolverine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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