TonyRumore 1,332 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 The thing runs great. There is a LOT of potential with this gun. Some things need work, but it needs a shit load less than a Saiga out of the box. After I get more time with it, I will give you guys a more indepth review. This gun is going to eventually be something big. Just let the builders have some time with it and great things will be forecoming. Tony Rumore Tromix 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nycGUNguy 61 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Interesting Tony, I look forward to a more in depth disection and evaluation on this weapon. Just curious, what is the MSRP on this there in OK? Thanks nyclu3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ignition 9 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 awesomesauce is awesome. but thread is worthless w/o pics 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schultze13 354 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Since you got one are you involved with the importing or did you get one because on what you have done for making the saiga popular and they are hoping you will do the same for the MKA-1919. Do you know when they will be avaible to us common folk? Also I know it only resembles the AR platform in looks but how complex is the internals workings did they keep it simple or is it over thought out. And one last thing could you post some MKA gun porn if you have sometime. Thanks Tony for everything you have helped the Saiga become and what you will hopfully help the MKA-1919 become. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 looking forward to pics and a more indepth review Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FORKLIFT352 63 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Aw shit!!! Your going to make me spend the money! And I was going to make them sit on them till a GOOD price was worked out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I have only had the gun a few hours now, but here it is, down to the last part. Tony Rumore Tromix 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I obviously need to do some research. That looks similar to an AR. I was thinking the gun red jacket put a stock on for that giant. Still am enjoying the pics tho. Thanks Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
echoside190 127 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I obviously need to do some research. That looks similar to an AR. I was thinking the gun red jacket put a stock on for that giant. Still am enjoying the pics tho. Thanks Tony It's the Turkish AR styled 12 gauge I believe, cool looking guns. Can't wait to see it once you work your magic on it Tony! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 So is the serial numbered "receiver" the stock & lower? 1911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted May 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 That's a very good question. There is a serial number (matching) on both the upper and lower. The upper is marked "MAGNUM" on the R/H side along with the serial number and "AKDAL" is marked on the L/H side. The lower is marked "MKA 1919 12ga/MAGNUM (3")" on the L/H side and "MADE IN TURKlYE UCYILDIZ ARMS, INC ISTANDBUL" along with "RAAC, Scottsburg, In" And a metal tag is impregnated into the underside of the trigger guard with the serial number, much like a Glock pistol tag. So, since the lower has the importer markings on it, I would assume that the ATF approved the importation of the gun based upon the lower being the "receiver". And no, that is not a typo on my part. It is marked TURKlYE, not Turkey. The character after the "K" is just a straight vertical line, like a lower case "L". Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 "I only had the gun for a few hours" yet its already on the operating table.... I'll start eating ramen noodles now to save up for it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heath_h49008 442 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Tony, is it just me, or does that operating system look like a direct copy of the Franchi SPAS12 mated to an AK trigger group? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted May 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 I have never owned a SPAS-12 so I don't know about that, but the FCG is an AR-15 style, not AK. You can pin in an AR-15 FCG, but the geometry is not correct, so it does you no good. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joelrod47 373 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Can't wait to see where this leads ! (I can see that one as a 10-12" SBS in FA before the week's out...............) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heath_h49008 442 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 The SPAS piston rides on the tube, whereas it looks like the 1919 uses a rod, but the operating "Ladder" looks identical, the piston slightly shorter, and the bolt VERY similar. Right down to the handle attachment. The Franchi had a "sled" that floated under the bolt, but with a recoil spring behind the bolt, instead of behind the piston forcing you to use a "pull" of the rod to close the bolt, that can be abandoned. Yeah, I was one of those wacky SOBs that had one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfixr 76 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Actually, the barrel, op-rod system and bolt look like your basic sporting Turkish shotgun, with a different outer shell and fcg. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
datrowl 111 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 As was said in another post elsewhere on this forum, the PG, stock and lower all being a single unit is really gonna limit what can be done to it by most folks unless a truely unusual solution presents itself. Been looking at how you could whack off the stock and get back to a more basic AR lower that can accept a few other options... without haveing one in my hands, I'm just not sure how its gonna be possible for the average Joe. Someone's gonna have to design some sort of back half retaining plate that will marry to the polymer lower.. why in the heck they didnt just make those bits bolt on... /boggle Tony, Is that stock hollow? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battosaii 99 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 where is the serial number located? the upper or the lower? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
datrowl 111 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 ^^this^^ That's a very good question. There is a serial number (matching) on both the upper and lower. The upper is marked "MAGNUM" on the R/H side along with the serial number and "AKDAL" is marked on the L/H side. The lower is marked "MKA 1919 12ga/MAGNUM (3")" on the L/H side and "MADE IN TURKlYE UCYILDIZ ARMS, INC ISTANDBUL" along with "RAAC, Scottsburg, In" And a metal tag is impregnated into the underside of the trigger guard with the serial number, much like a Glock pistol tag. So, since the lower has the importer markings on it, I would assume that the ATF approved the importation of the gun based upon the lower being the "receiver". And no, that is not a typo on my part. It is marked TURKlYE, not Turkey. The character after the "K" is just a straight vertical line, like a lower case "L". Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 As was said in another post elsewhere on this forum, the PG, stock and lower all being a single unit is really gonna limit what can be done to it by most folks unless a truely unusual solution presents itself. Been looking at how you could whack off the stock and get back to a more basic AR lower that can accept a few other options... without haveing one in my hands, I'm just not sure how its gonna be possible for the average Joe. Someone's gonna have to design some sort of back half retaining plate that will marry to the polymer lower.. why in the heck they didnt just make those bits bolt on... /boggle Tony, Is that stock hollow? I don't even see how an AR lower would work. Does a 12 gauge shell even fit in an AR magwell? I'm too lazy to get mine out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted May 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 There is a serial number on the upper, the lower, and the barrel, but the import markings are on the lower so I would assume that is considered the receiver. The stock is hollow but attaches to the upper with a screw through the buttstock just like a conventional shotgun. It won't take make to make a block to screw on the back after you cut the stock off. I have a prototype roughed out. I will post pics here shortly. It's on the SBS gun that is in the oven right now cooking the moly resin. Tony 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
physicsnerd 139 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 There is a serial number on the upper, the lower, and the barrel, but the import markings are on the lower so I would assume that is considered the receiver. The stock is hollow but attaches to the upper with a screw through the buttstock just like a conventional shotgun. It won't take make to make a block to screw on the back after you cut the stock off. I have a prototype roughed out. I will post pics here shortly. It's on the SBS gun that is in the oven right now cooking the moly resin. Tony Some people bake cookies, others bake cakes but Tony bakes shotguns! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Nothing like a good bake-on finish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevin.rose0@gmail.com 62 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 I don't even see how an AR lower would work. Does a 12 gauge shell even fit in an AR magwell? I'm too lazy to get mine out. You can fit a 12g shell in an ar-15 mag well. It's a pretty tight fit, so I don't think you can fit a 12g round in a magazine. I think you'd need an AR-10 lower to fit a magazine. But I'd love to be wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted May 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 An AR-10 magazine will fit a 16ga shell but not a 12ga shell, last time I checked. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schultze13 354 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) Well I have always loved a 16ga and I know you could do it. hint hint The only problem is getting enough money to persuade you to want to do it. You know it is kind of funny you were doing custom AR's then went to the Saigas and now if this thing takes off back to a AR style shotgun. Edited May 21, 2011 by SCHULTZE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FORKLIFT352 63 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 So how come no one else has chimed in on their 1919...??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Kenny 144 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Because Tony is one of the lucky 100 people that got the first shipment of MKAs. If the guys that have them give a good review, then RAA will have a containerload sent over. Figure a month from whenever RAA places the order to arrival at the Customs warehouse, unless you need to wait for the factory to make enough to fill the container. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FORKLIFT352 63 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 That's what I mean......the other 99. Did red jacket get one...? Oh wait thay be big TV stars so no time to do this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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