Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44217803/ns/us_news-life/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmzzl 146 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Why would you hoard them and try to sell them? How many people do you think have a few boxes set back already, because they're actually going to use them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peckaldee 12 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 This is why I've been stocking up on bulbs. Don't use the 100 watt bulbs but 75 and below are going away by 2014 or so. Got a whole closet dedicated just for this purpose. About waist high as we speak. Everytime I'm at one of the box stores I pick up a case. I don't mind the fluorescent bulbs as I have a few in lamps that burn continually for night lighting, etc. The problem is my wife hates the strange light they give off. Only thing they are really good for is determining my socks are indeed black to match my slacks. I have picked up the dark blues a few times only to notice when I'm already away from home. Does this only happen to me or do all men have this problem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dashowdy 141 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) fluorescents are the way to go, I do commercial maintenance and that is the bulk of what we use because they last as long as they do, I ran them in my house and brought my energy bill down about 20 bucks a month. Besides power companies offer specials on these because the more people that use them the less of a chance they will have to build a new power plant sometime soon, same thing with LED. think about it 13w vs. 60w frees up alot of power. Edited August 25, 2011 by dashowdy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 I can see the For Sale sections on various websites soon; Pre-ban light bulbs! Get your pre-ban light bulbs! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 I can see the For Sale sections on various websites soon; Pre-ban light bulbs! Get your pre-ban light bulbs! ....no sales to California, Hawaii, Cook county Il. No more then 15 to Maryland. Pre ban are good for NY state. CT residents must make sure they are not buying bulbs in the original watts 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volkov 318 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Besides power companies offer specials on these because the more people that use them the less of a chance they will have to build a new power plant sometime soon, same thing with LED. think about it 13w vs. 60w frees up alot of power. yeah.. because power companies really want you to use LESS power... Wait what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dashowdy 141 Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 The point is it is cheaper to help pay for lower wattage lightbulbs than build new power plants. Think about it 6 billion for a new power plant or throw chump change in on new light bulbs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
read_the_wall 614 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 new imported bulbs.....must have at least 4 american made parts to comply..... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigtwin 219 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 new imported bulbs.....must have at least 4 american made parts to comply..... Good one...probably true! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timy 1,185 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Thank God it turned out to be light bulbs. I was afraid Tulips were going to be banned. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdbutler 563 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Does anyone really think that companies won't just manufacture and distribute incandescent bulbs overseas? Unintended Consequences....Can't get enough of them. from NCPA (National Center for Policy Analysis) website: Environment IssuesOctober 6, 2010 GE Closes Last Incandescent Light Bulb Plant, Jobs Sent to China GE has closed its last major factory making incandescent light bulbs in the United States, a victim of a 2007 law banning sale of the light bulbs by 2014. Environmental activist groups promised the restrictions would create green jobs, but workers at GE's Winchester, Virginia plant are finding the law is merely creating jobs overseas in China, says the Heartland Institute. The 2007 law imposed energy efficiency requirements that cannot be met by traditional incandescent light bulbs. Compact fluorescent lights (CFLs), which are much more expensive than incandescent light bulbs, are the least expensive alternative. The manufacture of CFLs, however, is labor intensive and too expensive to be done at U.S. wage rates. GE could retrofit its Winchester plant to produce CFLs, but GE CFLs would be 50 percent more expensive than bulbs made in China with the benefit of cheap labor. Realizing it could not compete with such a cost disadvantage, GE is closing down its Winchester factory, putting 200 workers out of a job. H. Sterling Burnett, a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, says people should not be surprised by job losses caused by environmental mandates such as the ban on incandescent light bulbs. "The claim that the unemployment caused by federal policies forcing CFL light bulbs on the public was an 'unintended consequence' would be laughable if the job losses weren't so unfortunate," says Burnett. Sam Kazman, general counsel for the Competitive Enterprise Institute, pointed out banning incandescent light bulbs does not necessarily bring environmental benefits. In 1987 the town of Traer, Iowa handed out 18,000 free fluorescent bulbs to its residents in a demonstration project aimed at reducing power consumption. Residential electricity use actually rose by 8 percent, because people used more lights and kept them on longer once they realized their lighting was cheaper. Source: Kenneth Artz, "GE Closes Last Incandescent Light Bulb Plant, Jobs Sent to China," Heartland Institute, October 4, 2010. For more on Environment Issues: http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_Category=31 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schultze13 354 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Just like all other goverment bans have caused soon a $0.75 lightbulb will soon be going for $8.00 for on a auction site. There will be a $200 tax stamp for each LB you own and you will be required to have you home open to inspection by the BATFELB.< you can figure it out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 whats the average cost of a led bulb? has any american company started making them or are they all still made in china? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 whats the average cost of a led bulb? has any american company started making them or are they all still made in china? There are domestically made ones. I use a few for lighting work tables in my shop, they show detail better and run cooler. I bought mine through a local supply house so I don't know if the big box stores sell them.. They are like $12-20 each for the 120watt equivalent, but they last forever. When the time comes to replace light fixtures, look for ones that have the bulbs facing upward (metal base pointing at the floor). They tend to flicker less with the CFLs, also you can order different colors of bulb for the CFLs. I run the 'warm' type in my house, they look more like a incandescent. Fixtures with frosted globes or shades help. One thing I have noticed, is that power use by CFLs tends to be pretty high when its below 40 degrees. The bulbs basically stay in start mode. So for cold locations use LEDs. Another thing, dimmers should not be used on either CFLs or LEDs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 CFLs are WAY too RF noisy to use around certain electronics, like receivers. They spray large amounts of UV. Toxic. Also, Govt. needs to stay the fuck out of our lives. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted August 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Also, Govt. needs to stay the fuck out of our lives. Amen brother 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ktcm7271 999 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones. The iron age didn't end because we ran out of iron. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdbutler 563 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones. The iron age didn't end because we ran out of iron. Excuse me, what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 ...he thinks this is the incandescent age. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdbutler 563 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 (edited) ...he thinks this is the incandescent age. Aye. I'm just trying to see how this connection can be made between blanket legislation based on questionable scientific data, and technological advancement. Its the Free Market that has given us much of the advancements we enjoy. Its the public sector, with silly and harmful legislation like this that often holds us back, and creates more problems. Case in point: Wasn't the Deptartment of Energy created in '77, in part to foster domestic energy production and reduce our dependency on foreign oil? They've done a bang-up job. Edited August 28, 2011 by Kevin in Texas 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 (edited) So what is the tradeoff here? Shitty dim light packaged in a possible fire hazard, and a hazardous material item to dispose of when it dies. Great! Edited August 27, 2011 by MT Predator 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdbutler 563 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 So what is the tradeoff here? Shitty dim light packaged in a possible fire hazard, and a hazardous material item to dispose of when it dies. Great! That and the majority of production for CFLs that we'll be buying are manufactured overseas with foreign labor. Any idea who the largest outsourcer of 'Murican jobs is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Unintended Consequences....Can't get enough of them. Yep... Anybody ever take the lid off the toilet's reservoir in an apartment they recently moved into & find a hollowed out lightbulb in there? Tweekers across the country that use them for meth pipes will be screwed when the ban goes into effect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Also, Govt. needs to stay the fuck out of our lives. Amen brother The same DemocRATs who banned the light bulb with George W. Bush signing the law are the ones who call for freedom of choice but only on abortions. They took away our choice on light bulbs, toilet tanks over 1.6 gallons and school choice. Now chicken hatchers will have to spend money to buy heating equipment to keep the baby chicks warm as will greenhouse owners. The incandescent bulb was a cheap source of heat for them. Those of you who have girls know about the Easy Bake Oven which used a 100W light bulb to bake a small cake which a little girl can bake more safely than with a real oven. This is a case of government going too far in this intrusion into our lives and as usual most of these insane ideas come from 'progressive' socialist Europe. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdbutler 563 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 (edited) Unintended Consequences....Can't get enough of them. Yep... Anybody ever take the lid off the toilet's reservoir in an apartment they recently moved into & find a hollowed out lightbulb in there? Tweekers across the country that use them for meth pipes will be screwed when the ban goes into effect. If those tweekers are resourceful, they'll figure out another glass dick to suck on. The crackies around here buy those silk roses in the glass tube at the corner gas stations. The same DemocRATs who banned the light bulb with George W. Bush signing the law are the ones who call for freedom of choice but only on abortions. They took away our choice on light bulbs, toilet tanks over 1.6 gallons and school choice. Now chicken hatchers will have to spend money to buy heating equipment to keep the baby chicks warm as will greenhouse owners. The incandescent bulb was a cheap source of heat for them. Those of you who have girls know about the Easy Bake Oven which used a 100W light bulb to bake a small cake which a little girl can bake more safely than with a real oven. This is a case of government going too far in this intrusion into our lives and as usual most of these insane ideas come from 'progressive' socialist Europe. Those types support choice when it comes to abortions or taking it up the ass. That's about it. Maybe the Federal Gubmint will repeal the ban if enough Americans tell them they stick lightbulbs up their asses. As far as more unintended consequences, I'm sure people like my wife, and more than 30 million other sufferers of migraine headaches appreciate this new ban as well. Flourescent lights mess her up in the worst way. I guess if you want progress you gotta cause a few million severe, debilitating headaches. Edited August 27, 2011 by Kevin in Texas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akastormi 617 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 they banned incadesent bulbs in Australia some time ago. One "Entrepreneur" started importing them as personal heating devices. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
N4KVE 14 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) fluorescents are the way to go, I do commercial maintenance and that is the bulk of what we use because they last as long as they do. How are these new fangled bulbs going to work in the rooms that have rheostats that dim the lights. Has that been worked out yet? GARY N4KVE Edited August 28, 2011 by N4KVE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 fluorescents are the way to go, I do commercial maintenance and that is the bulk of what we use because they last as long as they do. How are these new fangled bulbs going to work in the rooms that have rheostats that dim the lights. Has that been worked out yet? GARY N4KVE Yeah, they're called dimable compact florescents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ktcm7271 999 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Once again, I apologize for the delayed reply, I am only on once a week these days. My quote about the stone and iron ages is no sling against free market. It follows the history of industry: The greatest buggy whip plant in the world is gone. Giant, rear wheel drive cars with flat top heads are history. Blimps and zepplins are extinct. 30,000 laborers in one plant is now 1,000 skilled machinists/robotics operators. My point is, technology moves faster than the market, and by the time it catches up, it's already moved to the next level. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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