obiwanbonjovi 337 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I noticed that the factory 5 round rock and lock saiga mags work perfectly fine in my vepr-12 with no mods. The lrbho doesn't function but otherwise they work great. Do any u.s. made rock and locks work without mods? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
menace667 194 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) So, factory Saiga 12 mags will work without modification and lock up tight? Would this mean that the cheap knockoff 5 round saiga mags would also, barring no hold open feature? Edited November 11, 2012 by menace667 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I noticed that the factory 5 round rock and lock saiga mags work perfectly fine in my vepr-12 with no mods. The lrbho doesn't function but otherwise they work great. Do any u.s. made rock and locks work without mods? So cool if this is true!!! But, Are you Sure? ... Did you shoot with them??? I Just Checked the feed angle and proximity to the chamber are totally different! Saiga Mags seem too low. They lock up fine and seem to feed, but I'm guessing lots of FTE's & FTF's because of the Lower feed angle. Also noticed how high the follower comes up is limited in the Saiga mag. If this could be fixed LRBHO might even work!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I wonder how the MD drum would work. Anyone wanna try it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I wonder how the MD drum would work. Anyone wanna try it? Sure send me a drum 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I noticed that the factory 5 round rock and lock saiga mags work perfectly fine in my vepr-12 with no mods. The lrbho doesn't function but otherwise they work great. Do any u.s. made rock and locks work without mods? So cool if this is true!!! But, Are you Sure? ... Did you shoot with them??? he won't bullshit you, if he says they work i'd take his word for it, that's great news for those getting vepr12s, keepshooting has 5rd mags that are a copy of the factory 5 that function perfectly in the s12, and they are like $10 or so each, i have 10 and love them 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I noticed that the factory 5 round rock and lock saiga mags work perfectly fine in my vepr-12 with no mods. The lrbho doesn't function but otherwise they work great. Do any u.s. made rock and locks work without mods? So cool if this is true!!! But, Are you Sure? ... Did you shoot with them??? he won't bullshit you, if he says they work i'd take his word for it, that's great news for those getting vepr12s, keepshooting has 5rd mags that are a copy of the factory 5 that function perfectly in the s12, and they are like $10 or so each, i have 10 and love them Can you send me a link to those?" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I wonder how the MD drum would work. Anyone wanna try it? Sure send me a drum If I had one I'd have already tried it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
obiwanbonjovi 337 Posted November 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I havent shot them, as I just discovered it today, but they hand cycle fine. On further inspection the front does sit much lower than the vepr-12 mag, and the feed angle is shallower, but they seem to feed fine. Maybe not the best for reliability, might not work in everyones as the feed angle is different, but seems to work in mine. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I havent shot them, as I just discovered it today, but they hand cycle fine. On further inspection the front does sit much lower than the vepr-12 mag, and the feed angle is shallower, but they seem to feed fine. Maybe not the best for reliability, might not work in everyones as the feed angle is different, but seems to work in mine. Doh! I just bought 4 siaga 12 5 rounders!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
menace667 194 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Over at vepr.org there is a simple tutorial that shows how to convert rock'n'locks to work with the magwell, minus LRBHO. maybe that will help you with the oops order. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
obiwanbonjovi 337 Posted November 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I havent shot them, as I just discovered it today, but they hand cycle fine. On further inspection the front does sit much lower than the vepr-12 mag, and the feed angle is shallower, but they seem to feed fine. Maybe not the best for reliability, might not work in everyones as the feed angle is different, but seems to work in mine. Doh! I just bought 4 siaga 12 5 rounders!! Sorry I wasn't trying to advocate buying a bunch of saiga 12 mags, I just noticed that mine fit and fed, and was curious as to what others have tried. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Thanks Menace! No worries Obi, wasn't just your post that made me buy them. I've read from a few places that siaga 12 mags work in vepr 12's, sometimes with no modification, sometimes just some filing on the front part I think, I'll look more into it and the link Menace talked of. They just don't operate the LRBHO. I saw the price at keepshooting that RussianHammer pointed out and thought wtf. For that price worth a try. Even found a coupon code for them using my google fu. If I can't get them to work right I know someone with a siaga 12 I can prob sell to. = ] I'll update and let everyone know. Hopefully can go shooting soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lewie212 37 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I noticed that the factory 5 round rock and lock saiga mags work perfectly fine in my vepr-12 with no mods. The lrbho doesn't function but otherwise they work great. Do any u.s. made rock and locks work without mods? /I would not of even tried this untill I saw your post! I cant wait to go try it! Here is some pics of a keepshooting mag. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Hip hip hooray!! lolz Now just hope they run fine. Def worth a try imo for only $12 a mag. Shipping was $9 and some change for 4 mags, but then coupon code saved me $4 and some change. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getboth 14 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I tried a few days ago and noticed that they lock in but noticed they dont drop free. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lewie212 37 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Just tried a few US made mags. This was my personal experience. The MD20 was not even close. AGP and SGM would not fit either. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I havent shot them, as I just discovered it today, but they hand cycle fine. On further inspection the front does sit much lower than the vepr-12 mag, and the feed angle is shallower, but they seem to feed fine. Maybe not the best for reliability, might not work in everyones as the feed angle is different, but seems to work in mine. Pulled the followers & found the angle is virtually identical in both Mags The biggest difference is the rear portion's curve, shape & Bulge of the Mag In addition to having no front lip It is this shape that forces the higher & proper feed angle. Personally I think the simple fix would be an re angled replacement follower??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raidersfan_5544 57 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) I just got done with a little trigger time behind the Vepr-12 and the factory Saiga-12 5 round rock and lock magazine worked flawlessly without modification. I also filed a AGP mag to fit after hearing someone talk about doing it here on the forum and it to ran to perfection as well. I just wish I saw the thread over at vepr.org before I tried it...it would have saved me a little time and effort but I got it figured out on my own anyway. That's all I know to work at the moment but the AGP took a bit of shaving where the factory S12 5 rounder fit right in. Edited November 12, 2012 by raidersfan_5544 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Thanks for the update! = D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
physicsnerd 139 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 My factory 2 rounder (the 2 round in a 2 round body, not the 2 round in a 5 round body) would also lock into place on the VEPR. However, the Izhmash factory rock n' lock 8 round magazine would not. The bodies are shaped differently enough to not allow it to go in without some serious modification which I won't be doing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raidersfan_5544 57 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 ^^^Yeah my Izzy 8's wouldn't fit either...the metal lock up tabs get in the way as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VEPR12 11 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 This is great information as I just ordered a VEPR-12 and the SGM 10 round mags are back ordered and expensive... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Hip hip hooray!! lolz Now just hope they run fine. Def worth a try imo for only $12 a mag. Shipping was $9 and some change for 4 mags, but then coupon code saved me $4 and some change. Would love to Try some also .... do you have that Coupon Code??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I found a few but they all seem to be 10%. The one I used was "repeat". 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iteachsurfing 50 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I found a few but they all seem to be 10%. The one I used was "repeat". Just found it also LOL I am so slow ... Duhhh!!! Thank you Muffman (Best name Ever) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saiga1284 1 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Huh. I never would have thought to try a saiga factory 5 unmodified. After reading this gave it a try and it pops right in. Thanks for sharing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Philemon9130 3 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 So let me get this straight, here are the mags that were tried/did they work?: Izzy 2 & 5 rd factory/yes Izzy 8rd/no Keepshooting.com 5 rd/yes? Keepshooting.com 10 rd/yes? Other US made rock & lock/no Saiga 030 Legion magwell mags/yes? Am I missing any or incorrect with the compatibility results? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
datubie 21 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 My keep shooting mags would lock in but wouldn't feed as the front of the mag sits too low in the well. The bottom lip of the shell would snag on the lower lip of the feed ramp. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I noticed that the factory 5 round rock and lock saiga mags work perfectly fine in my vepr-12 with no mods. The lrbho doesn't function but otherwise they work great. Do any u.s. made rock and locks work without mods? Yeah, the MD-20 works with Winchester Super-X 9 pellet .00 buckshot if you have the kit I just made; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9n9xdgaH2M&feature=youtu.be Tiny bit of tuning left, but it's just a slight bug and it's already identified. As for your Russian 5 round mags, they're either going to need to be slightly narrowed a kunthair on the outside, sanded a cunthair to widen on the inside, or the gun will need adjustment. The Vepr-12 is applying a tiny bit too much pressure on the outside of the Russian Stick mags causing the insides to touch the shell on both sides slightly. You'll likely not notice it when hand cycling, but when shooting russian S-12 rock & lock S-12 mags through the vepr AT THE CORRECT FEED ANGLE the resistance causes a slow-feed and an FTF. I'm thinking you guys are going to have FTFs jamming on the lower part of the chamber if you try to use the rock & locks by just tossing them in the Veprs with no mods. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.