Snoopdogg 0 Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 There is no manufacturers suggested retail price. There was. Z said $40. But that was a while ago, so who knows now. Z1500 has stated "he" (Pvt. Pyle from FMBG), and I assume anyone else, can sell them for whatever they want. Every dealer sells at whatever he wants. Whatever he gets is dictated by the market. Why shouldn't Pvt Pyle get whatever he can for them? He is the one who invested a sh*tload of money in quantity. He will get what the market will bear. Since Z (mfg) is also selling them, the market will bear msrp. If dealers weren't allowed to make a profit on their investment (inventory), both dealer and mfg would go tits up. Again, if anyone doesn't like Pvt Pyles price, then by from Z. I don't understand the issue here. As far as the anticipation and prompting, folks have experienced the forces of the market for a fair spell and have not forgotten Daewoo and the .308 mag. saga. The reaction is normal and predictable. I have to respectfully disagree. Hounding these guys will do NOTHING on speeding up their delivery time. It will however surley wear under their skin to some degree. Also, these guys don't owe us ANYTHING. They don't owe us any magazines, they don't owe us an ETA, they don't owe us a good price. They owe us zilch. If we get mags, great. If we don't, we haven't lost anything. These guys could get run over by a truck tommorrow, and guess what, mag project is over. If they don't come through for any number of plausable and excusable reasons, there is always the Russian ones. Everyone needs to relax. I ain't spending big dough on overpriced USSR plastic mags, so I'll patiently wait, and wait and wait. And when/if I get them, I will be happy Link to post Share on other sites
PvtPyle 0 Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 We all know about price gouging. Paying $80+ for a 8rd mag that costs $5 in Russia is price gouging. We WILL NOT do that. That is shit, and we will not support anyone who buys them from us and then tries to gouge customers. I said it here in public, and you can hold me too it. In looking at the comments here, I think there is another issue. People all know that they can buy them from Z if I try to gouge them, so whats the big deal? I think the big deal is that people are worried that a big order from me or another dealer will delay Z from delivering the smaller orders to individual customers. But thats just me. As for my being $25 higher than SC, I got a price list, made my prices and agreed to not under cut my dealers as the distributor. I gave everyone who wanted one a SIGNED AGREEMENT that said exactly that. Saiga Central joined on as a distributor at the last minute and placed the smallest order of any of us. And then the published a price list that was $25 lower than us. So what? Buying from us has other benefits like a larger order that translates into a better likelyhood of having them in stock, unlike SC. Buy from us with confidence that you will get taken care of and when we say it is out of stock that it is, or save a few pennies and roll the dice with them. Either way, as long as the customer gets taken care of I don't care. Link to post Share on other sites
CGuns 3 Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 (edited) We all know about price gouging. Paying $80+ for a 8rd mag that costs $5 in Russia is price gouging. We WILL NOT do that. That is shit, and we will not support anyone who buys them from us and then tries to gouge customers. I said it here in public, and you can hold me too it. In looking at the comments here, I think there is another issue. People all know that they can buy them from Z if I try to gouge them, so whats the big deal? I think the big deal is that people are worried that a big order from me or another dealer will delay Z from delivering the smaller orders to individual customers. But thats just me. As for my being $25 higher than SC, I got a price list, made my prices and agreed to not under cut my dealers as the distributor. I gave everyone who wanted one a SIGNED AGREEMENT that said exactly that. Saiga Central joined on as a distributor at the last minute and placed the smallest order of any of us. And then the published a price list that was $25 lower than us. So what? Buying from us has other benefits like a larger order that translates into a better likelyhood of having them in stock, unlike SC. Buy from us with confidence that you will get taken care of and when we say it is out of stock that it is, or save a few pennies and roll the dice with them. Either way, as long as the customer gets taken care of I don't care. Actually, the 8 round magazines do not cost that over in Russia. If any of you guys want to host it, I can send you the export prices lists from Izhmash, that go out to potential market sectors. Kinda revealing. Edited January 29, 2006 by CGuns Link to post Share on other sites
beerslurpy 1 Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 (edited) All this moaning about the "fair" price. Just offer them for sale and we will make up our own minds. I cant wait to have decent 10 rd mags for the sagia. I've been waiting over a year for this. Edited January 29, 2006 by beerslurpy Link to post Share on other sites
kmoore 3 Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 (edited) Whoa, clicked in to get an update but got a lesson(?) in economics instead. Here's my take. Can't be gouged unless a company can effectively buy up the supply. Otherwise the gouger with a lot of mags will just be ignored. Here's another take. These middle men buying 200 mags in a pop mean that Kevin is producing mags or working on his next project instead of collecting, tracking, boxing,shipping, answering unendless questions, etc, etc, etc for 199 extra customers. I'm for that. Here's a made up example. Kevin would like to sell his mags for $35. MM approachs, learns of the 35 pricetag, has a penchant to invest and to provide customer service. He buys $1000. Kevin sells them to him at $28/mag. MM sells to customers at 35 a mag. Everyone is happy (unless Kevin LIKES licking stamps or addressing pkgs ). You can switch the numbers around. If Kevin can keep up with demand (let's say he can turn out 100 a day, and he stockpiles 1000 before he goes live) MM's pricing will be kept in check. In fact, in the previous mythical example MM could charge $37 maybe a bit more. I'd still buy knowing they ship promply, will correspond promptly, etc. Again, this allows Kevin to do what he wants (develop new stuff, up production, take a vacation to a warm tropical local, whatever). I for one appreciated the ETA given, wish there was another but the way some reacted I understand why we don't have one. Without it, we'd all be trying to guess if they would be $20 to $100 a pop. Now we have a better idea. I've got several plans (firearms sales, firearm purcases, firearm upgrades). The more info I have the better I can plan around it all. But truth be known, I'll what I can afford (hopefully I've just sold a firearm and not just bought :/ ) when these and the metal ones come to market. Edited January 29, 2006 by kmoore Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 I'm just waiting patiently, letting those who are working on making mags, work on making mags. Those who just have to bugger the hell out of people working on mags are counterproductive. G O B Link to post Share on other sites
Z1500 0 Posted January 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Hmmm interesting. A possible supply problem could effect prices for a time while supply catches up to demand. I'll try not to let this happen but after some of the emails I've got, it is possible I could run out very fast. Kevin Link to post Share on other sites
mopeman 0 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Hmmm interesting.A possible supply problem could effect prices for a time while supply catches up to demand. I'll try not to let this happen but after some of the emails I've got, it is possible I could run out very fast. Kevin Dude, don't say that! I know that is a good thing for you(maybe?), but it's not for those of us with bad luck/timing! I'm really glad that you will have no problem selling these, it looks like you will make out. Link to post Share on other sites
Ronswin 26 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 We all know about price gouging. Paying $80+ for a 8rd mag that costs $5 in Russia is price gouging. We WILL NOT do that. That is shit, and we will not support anyone who buys them from us and then tries to gouge customers. I said it here in public, and you can hold me too it. In looking at the comments here, I think there is another issue. People all know that they can buy them from Z if I try to gouge them, so whats the big deal? I think the big deal is that people are worried that a big order from me or another dealer will delay Z from delivering the smaller orders to individual customers. But thats just me. As for my being $25 higher than SC, I got a price list, made my prices and agreed to not under cut my dealers as the distributor. I gave everyone who wanted one a SIGNED AGREEMENT that said exactly that. Saiga Central joined on as a distributor at the last minute and placed the smallest order of any of us. And then the published a price list that was $25 lower than us. So what? Buying from us has other benefits like a larger order that translates into a better likelyhood of having them in stock, unlike SC. Buy from us with confidence that you will get taken care of and when we say it is out of stock that it is, or save a few pennies and roll the dice with them. Either way, as long as the customer gets taken care of I don't care. Actually, the 8 round magazines do not cost that over in Russia. If any of you guys want to host it, I can send you the export prices lists from Izhmash, that go out to potential market sectors. Kinda revealing. Last time I checked Russian websites ( 2 years ago), the 8 round Saiga 12 magazines were less than $30 after converting from Rubles to US dollars. The 5 round Saiga 12 magazines were approx. $5 more. I believe the 5 round magazines were more as the 8 round were standard there. Perhaps one of our Russian members can add to or correct me if I am wrong on this. RonSwin Link to post Share on other sites
Wolverine 10,360 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Sounds like magazine Reaganonomics...............they gonna trickle down. Link to post Share on other sites
Lonestar 0 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 I wont hog them...I only need 1 10 magazine for now! Ohh and we need pictures! Link to post Share on other sites
CGuns 3 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopdogg 0 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 after some of the emails I've got, it is possible I could run out very fast. Good for ya! Your making a good product, I hope you make a million bucks! Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Must read email sent. Link to post Share on other sites
MadDog 3 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Dang!! I will take 4 mags... MadDog Link to post Share on other sites
M15A4spr 0 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Next thing we need is a magazine pouch for them. Any ideas? We have our tactical nylon made by a company in Idaho. They do great work. We also have a guy who will make custom kydex holders for us. All we need is the mag. HOPEFULLY you WON'T sell someone 200 magsWhat do you care? He sets retail, or MSRP and we sell them at that. I am not here to gouge anyone on anything. I am here to make money like any other businessman, and that means I do so by supplying my customers with what they want. And so far, the demand fo them is huge. If you want them, buy them from me, him or any other stocking dealer. I am anticipating that he will have several dealers, not just me, so you have plenty of options to buy from. But one BIG issue that you have overlooked in your short sightedness is that my order, or mine combined with Wolverines order of 200 mags could ensure that this project goes to it's completed in a rapid manner. That means you guys get your mags this year because he has an influx of cash and a customer that has committed to buying his product. And with more of us ordering large quantities the price goes down from the manufacturer of his individual components. That means you guys pay less. Surely you can understand THAT... Additionally, that means if he needs a loan he can take our PO's to the bank for a short term loan to fund the project and not have to do it as he gets the funds together. Thats the way we buy 100 set of armor for an agency. I sure as shit am not paying for 100 sets of armor for an agency out of MY pocket. But with the PO I get the loan, get the armor, then pay off the loan when the agency pays me. Maybe you should look at the big picture as to how business works, and how it could benefit you with a couple of us dealers buying large quantities, instead of the short sighted view. Well said sir. The only thing that pisses me off more than the "Ban guns" B.S. from the left, is the "ban capitolism" whines from the public education system sheeple. Somewhere the US went from the sign of the dollar "$" to whinny little socialists. [in the end, we'l need to rely on z1500's good judgement I'm sure you've all seen the $150 8 rounders on the auction boards (not just ebay) if people with the bucks to spend want to step in and buy him out, and then gouge the rest of us, that's free market alright, z1500 has the final say so. a binding contract would prevent any dry forcible soddomy Forcible? Who's got a gun to your head? You don't want product "X" at "Y" price? Keep your cash, Take a walk! Someone quick! Call in the price nanny! Someone may make a profit for gods sake! Link to post Share on other sites
Steph 5 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 BOYCOTT THE 10-ROUND MAGS! THEY'RE ALL A BUNCH OF CAPITALISTS! I SUSPECT THEY MAY BE IN FAVOR OF FREE ENTERPRISE, TOO! Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Mags mags there's gonna be mags! Oh boy there's gonna be mags woohoo gonna get some ten round mags...! Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Mags mags there's gonna be mags! Oh boy there's gonna be mags woohoo gonna get some ten round mags...! That animation would be funny if it wasn't so disturbing. Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfighter 1 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Hello, I will wait as long as it takes ---- I would much rather buy a Made In America product then one from somewhere else. Even if it is 10% more. Just my 2 cents ---------- Bird aka GF Link to post Share on other sites
mp2go1 0 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 glad the mags are coming along and should be top quality. id buy 10+ depending on the price. hopefully there will be enough to go around for board members to get at least a couple each on the first round of shipments. thanks for stepping up and making these mags. hope you make $$$ for taking the initiative. thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 The mags are coming, the MAGS are coming! G O B Link to post Share on other sites
strawman 2 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Ill take 6. Link to post Share on other sites
bluejack 0 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I will take 10 if prices is right, just said a words , money will be out Link to post Share on other sites
Wildcatter 28 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I'd like 3 if the price is right. I don't even have a Saiga yet. Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfighter 1 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 That Wildcatter is one very smart person !!!! I should have bought some 8 rd. mags before I bought MY Saiga As was said --- Hope there will be a few for us board members Bird aka GF Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 (edited) I liked those packages from overseas marked 'spare parts'. Edited February 1, 2006 by tritium Link to post Share on other sites
swiftvision 0 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Please put me down for 10 mags. Link to post Share on other sites
M15A4spr 0 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 BOYCOTT THE 10-ROUND MAGS! THEY'RE ALL A BUNCH OF CAPITALISTS! I SUSPECT THEY MAY BE IN FAVOR OF FREE ENTERPRISE, TOO! Maybe there is hope for the US. Z, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I hope you make a MILLION on these puppies! Can't wait! ================= "If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose, because it contains all the others, the fact that they were the people who created the phrase 'to make money.' No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity, to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted of obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created." -- Francisco D'Anconia ================= Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I liked those packages from overseas marked 'spare parts'. now what ever could you mean? Link to post Share on other sites
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