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i went back and forth for almost a month on this very decision. Ultimately I decided to go with the CTR only because of my familiarity with it and my worry that the Tromix may be too long for me (I'm only 5'8") and I wouldn't be able to adjust it. I would love to see a tromix stock up close though to try out. If it fit me, I would definitely get one.

New Frontier Armory also has 6 in stock for $686 each. Looks like they're coming back in stock here and there but prices seem to all start at nearly $700 now. Glad I got mine from K-VAR for $489 before the prices went up. In my opinion, which is of little consequence, people need to stop being so hard on the shops who raised their prices here. The distributors are the ones who raised prices on them and they're merely trying to get some on the shelves for us. CSS, which is one of my favorites and who I also trust, said so themselves. Just the way things are unfortunately until this all settles

Anyone else notice kvar says call for pricing on their website now? Regardless, no point in venders selling below current market value as they'll most likely be bought up and resold for profit on places like gunbroker. People were given a lot of warning this would happen as well. There was plenty if time to get them for just under $500 for those that paid attention. Now the 030s being sold by Red Dragun are looking like an even better deal than they already were every day. Can't wait to get mine

Thanks. I know nothing of Huffington as I have never read it before this. Guess I should have known better since I didn't see it collaborated by any major news source I was familiar with. Mods can delete if its just crack pot/inaccurate news and apologies for adding to the already unwanted drama.

Just read this today. Apologies in advance if I'm missing something/off base (if dupe please delete) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_836138.html Supposedly they will be using some of the following info as a basis for it. Read page 35-36 for what concerns me most (talk of importation, ak47 style weapons, and 12 gauge used in crime) http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/blueprint_federal_action.pdf I was getting confident that the Saiga was safe but this is making me wary again when you combine it with the ATF study.

I have owned or currently own nearly every AR manufacturer out there. This is my opinion based on my experience and those around me: High end but expensive: Noveske, KAC (my personal favorite), and LaRue Outstanding quality/value: Colt, BCM (probably the best overall value), Daniel Defense, Spikes, LMT Overpriced considering other options but fine: RRA, Stag, Bushmaster Junk (when you consider they cost the same as Spikes): DPMS, OLY, Blackthorne There are of course other companies out there but this covers most of them. Didn't include any piston versions as I believe they

Thanks for making my patience level just go down a little more

I haven't seen any in stock since K-VAR and CSS sold out recently. Looks like the only place is gunbroker but prices are going up very fast now. You could also try calling Machine Gun Tours here in Colorado. Awesome shop and my go-to place here. Last time I was there (a couple days ago) they had some standard and converted ones in stock. Didn't check the price though as I already own what I want. They generally have very good prices though.

Thanks and good idea. Nice looking Saigas you got there. .

The ATF hasn't banned these from importation. Where did you get that? Cite your sources. This. So far the only person I've heard that met with the ATF about this (Brian from Red Dragun who's importing the model 030 shortly) said that's he's confident that they are safe in their sporting configuration but they told him the 030 will not be once he gets the 200 they already approved in. There is nothing in there study that shows they are trying to ban sporterized Saigas, only speculation from what I've seen. If you're so sure about this please tell us your reasoning behind it.

K-VAR while sold out now usually gets them in every week and are the cheapest I've found recently. Other than that you either need to get lucky and find a local shop that has one in for a good price or pay the premium to have one now on gunbroker.

Wow, that's one huge ass scope on his AR! Looks like you guys had fun though. Nice that you're wife enjoys shooting with you, it took some convincing with my wife as she's a city girl but loves it now. Started her off on .22s but now she prefers my AK over all the others because of its "kick"...lol

Please don't take this the wrong way but we are not texting here, it's completely permissible to use complete sentences. Even with your edits you left too many words out and there are so many exclamation points that it makes it difficult for the rest of us to understand what you're trying to say. Take your time and re-word is possible, no one is in a hurry around here

If I didn't own one I'd probably pick one up from K-Var for $589 as it's only $100 more than it used to be. Not terrible to guarantee to get a gun you want. However I already own what I want at the old prices and will only buy another if they go back down to the $450 range. To be honest though, I'm getting more and more confident that the Saiga 12 is not only safe but that we will see pistol grip versions in the next year or so. This is due to the confidence of Brian from Red Dragun after meeting with the ATF, and the studies finding that pistol grips are in fact "sporting" according to their

These delusional "I'm special/better than everybody else" tirades he's going on right now will just be clips that will be shown in the near future on how far gone he was before he died. He's putting the writing on the wall and he won't be here much longer like so many before him. Sad that some people end up like this when the can't handle the money, women, power, etc. Even more sad to know how this will affect his children and those who loved him.

Look at K-VAR instead. In stock right now for $589 and they get more in stock every week. Although shipping can be a little pricey it's still cheaper than anywhere else and you save by not having to pay taxes on it.

I'd be interested in one if you end up doing a second round. Anyone know if you can find any that would work with the Saiga 030 model (magwell + LRBHO) ?

I don't get it. Someone post about a shop having them for $589 and everyone freaks out and buys them up but K-VAR has had tons of them come in every week for the same price or less. They still have plenty in stock right now yet people are paying $700 + locally and on gunbroker.

I haven't been here long but it sure seems there's plenty of drama to go around....lol. I unfortunately got slightly involved in one a few days ago but decided id rather stay out of that crap and go back to learning as much of this platform I can. Really, other than the trolls that plague every forum, we're all on the same side anyway.

Couldn't agree more! I'm working on getting all the pieces I need now so that when it comes in it can go right back out to them to convert. Bet they get some good business out of this.

VERY good price in today's market. Most of the ones on gunbroker are going for $720 plus recently. The cheapest I've seen one in two weeks was at K-VAR for $589 but they are sold out now.

Thanks for the info. I want my to be as close as possible to the original configuration. Since they're already in contact with Red Dragun and have experience with one it looks like I'll be sending mine there as well.

I've got three from K-VAR like this and my brother has 2 with the same marks as well. I'd prefer it wasn't there but I'm not really bothered by it. These things aren't meant to be showcase guns anyway, they're workhorses that are a blast to shoot.

Although their list of "non-sporting" features are ridiculous, the last point above would be fantastic news. Instead of banning them, we would be getting them in much closer to the configuration we all go for anyway. I'd be pleasantly shocked if it happened. Wonder how far prices of un-converted saigas would go down if this became the case. All the people buying them at $700+ right now may be pretty pissed. I'd gladly lose money on some of my guns for more freedom/diversity in what we are allowed to own though.

The ones that are made for the magwell DO! I thought the Russian LRBHO was a relitivly new thing, or did they just make a system to work with their stock mags? The Russians have been running the LRBHO for well over a year. The start of 2010 production IIRC. Actually the Saiga-12 ver. 030 as well as the VEPR-12 have been using the LRBHO for years. Any chance of getting any VEPR-12s in the future as well? Yes I now it's highly unrealistic but I can dream right?