renegadebuck 16 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Would anyone be interested in an adapter to be able to use both factory mags and G3 or AR 10 mags? AR 10 could be finished sooner, but because of the price of G3, it might be worth the wait. What do you guys think? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elvis christ 451 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 I'd like to know more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ccmano 0 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Works for me, relatively cheap, available and well made mags would be just what the gun needs. But it has to be a simple straight foreward mod. Drilling and welding would not be good thing.... Hans Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cma g21 3 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 (edited) Interested in seeing what you come up with (and if it can be done w/o major alterations to the rifle). Edited November 25, 2008 by cma g21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellowcarbon 4 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Yes, most if not all of us would be interested. You might also consider trying out the DPMS .308 mags as well. Somebody just released some that retail for $20ish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paladin 37 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Absofreakingloutly! I have both a G3 mag and a FAL mag sitting on my bench waiting for me to get a bright idea of how to make it work. There are sites such as: http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/AKM/AK_308/mag_308.htm That show how to use the G3, but it involves a lot of cutting on the receiver. If you have a better way, like a magwell based kind of adapter. I think they will fly. I paid $3.00 for a 20rd G3 mag in perfect condition vs. $50 for the SF and FBMG mags. Think maybe people might be interested? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mtjccmotel 12 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 I would definitely be interested in an adaptor for G3 mags as they are cheap and available. With the way everything is going cost is becoming more of a factor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ogar Lumox 1 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Cheaper mags would be a big plus, however with the G3 mags being larger and needing to mod the Saiga maybe the thing to do would be to modify the Saiga for the G3 then develop a kit/adapter to use the Saiga mags in the mod'd gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bayonet lug 1 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Interested in seeing what you come up with (and if it can be done w/o major alterations to the rifle). +1! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zakmatthews 14 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 If it requires minimal gunsmithing to install (i.e. dremel work) then I'd be interested in the G3 magazine flavor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vorpal 0 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I also have a G3 mag apart on the bench. The taper at the front of the .308 magwell seems to me to be a major concern. I'd be very interested in an adapter for this combination. vorpal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rockyj 0 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 yes, yes, and yes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chuvak 9 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Yup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HarvKY 72 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I believe a fair # of talented folks have already tried this and retired the idea ... especially in terms of anything that can be reproduced. A few have tinkered their individual weapon to do so allegedly, but nothing I'd invest my money into. I'd like to see it happen as well but wont be holding my breath. HarvKY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
komblockid 0 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I believe a fair # of talented folks have already tried this and retired the idea ... especially in terms of anything that can be reproduced. A few have tinkered their individual weapon to do so allegedly, but nothing I'd invest my money into. I'd like to see it happen as well but wont be holding my breath. HarvKY Seems like a good idea. I'd be interested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevymann 13 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I think its a great idea and would love to have one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ogar Lumox 1 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 A while back I found a post someplace that detailed how to convert a Saiga for the G3 mags, the modification needed to both the mags and the Saiga were huge and as I recall the results weren't the best either. But like I said above, once the Saiga is mod'd for the G3 the Saiga mags would no longer work mostly because of how much the mag post had to be opened up, but with that said a mod'd Saiga might still be able to use the Saiga mags with an adapter that would fill back in the material taken out to fit the G3 mags. You'd have to look at the post that describes the proceedure for converting to G3 to fully undestand how much work it took to make the G3 mags to work, and as I recall the G3 mags were modified to so you wouln't be able to just use off the shelf G3 mags, they too require modification (grinding, welding etc.). It looked like way too much work to save a few bucks on mags, mags that would be usfull in the mod'd gun only. At least with the Saiga mags you know you can use any mag made for a Saiga, with the G3 mod you would only be able to use the mod'd G3 mags and I don't think they would be very easy to find. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFox 69 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I never got the reasoning for trying to shoehorn non native mags into a platform because they are cheap. You have feed angles, dimensions, and locking that are often all different. #1 to me is reliability. Your telling me that a cheaper mag never designed to work in a particular weapon is going to be just as reliable? Like I said. I just don't get it. If you want a G3/Cetme just buy one. I think a Cetme is currently cheaper than a S-308. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paladin 37 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Reliability is the first and foremost concern of course. If it's not reliable there's no point in it. We have all types of mags and drums that are not "native" or "factory stock" that are reliable. I have a bunch of AGP mags and a MD drum for my S12 that are not factory and they work flawlessly. I use 30rd AK mags in my x39 that are not Saiga specific and we add bullet guides to make them work. My rifle also works flawlessly. So why not? If I can get an adapter that allows me to use a inexpensive mag in a Saiga .308 how is that different than what we are already doing? And in so far as being able to still use Saiga mags-what for? If I mod my gun to take G3 mags then those are the mags I'll use and don't care about Saiga mags. Mags are considered a consumable item, they wear out, get broken, lost, etc. Saiga factory 8rd mags are like $38. right? the SF and FBMG high capacity mags are $46+. As I said earlier, and with the caveat that it works, I would jump all over a quick release, magwell based adapter that allows the use of G3 mags that are plentiful, great quality, and $3.00 a pop! I'd buy 50 of them and stash them for the PAW. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renegadebuck 16 Posted November 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Yes, most if not all of us would be interested. You might also consider trying out the DPMS .308 mags as well. Somebody just released some that retail for $20ish. I can do the DPMS .308 by the end of next week, barring outside interfearence. I was just looking for the cheapest mag that was reliable and would fit in the magwell. The G3's are doable, but not without more extensive work, FALs at $7.99 were my second choice, but I will have to see if they fit without altering the basic gun. The DPMS is probably a mil spec AR10, which I can do now. The M-14 at $15.00 at 44mags is another possibility. I am researching mags for reliability now, that's why the G3 came up. Any AR type would be easy as it would be the same as the .223 that I have built and shown on the .223 forum, only larger, so the angles and release would be the same, just body size would be different. I need to put my hands on a FAL mag and check for fit. If these work, that will be my choice. If not the M-14 I know will fit and will be my choice. I will keep you posted. If the DPMS is mill spec and everyone would be comfortable with it, the adapter would be cheaper for me to sell as I already have a small working model. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GaBulldog 0 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Hell I'll bite if it means something cheaper than the nearly $100 I paid for two SFs! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lockster30 0 Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 I like what I'm hearing, I am seriously considering buying a .308 saiga for my " .308 battle rifle". The cost of the magazines is a major concern I have. With a looming AWB possible, I would like to stock up now on magazines. The high price of the current magazines avaliable hurts to overall affordability of the Saiga as a battle rifle. I mean say you buy 10-20 mags of the cheapest avaliable lets just say $ 40 each avg. That = $400 to $800 in addition to the current Saiga rifle price of $500 for me. Combine those and you are looking at a much bigger chunk of change. $900- $1300 for a basic setup with plenty of magazines. Obviously you guys can do the math and look at more expensive rifle with MUCH cheaper magazines at almost the same cost when all is said and done, This mod/adapter is a much needed idea IMO. I'll probably buy the dang gun today anyhow, but it would be nice to have some affordable mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cma g21 3 Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 I like what I'm hearing, I am seriously considering buying a .308 saiga for my " .308 battle rifle". The cost of the magazines is a major concern I have. With a looming AWB possible, I would like to stock up now on magazines. The high price of the current magazines avaliable hurts to overall affordability of the Saiga as a battle rifle. I mean say you buy 10-20 mags of the cheapest avaliable lets just say $ 40 each avg. That = $400 to $800 in addition to the current Saiga rifle price of $500 for me. Combine those and you are looking at a much bigger chunk of change. $900- $1300 for a basic setup with plenty of magazines. Obviously you guys can do the math and look at more expensive rifle with MUCH cheaper magazines at almost the same cost when all is said and done, This mod/adapter is a much needed idea IMO. I'll probably buy the dang gun today anyhow, but it would be nice to have some affordable mags. There are a few more things you may want to factor in. If 922® compliance is a concern, using most G3 mags (AFAIK all but the Thermolds) will require replacing more of the listed foreign parts to be complaint (as all three mag parts would be foreign). So, you'd need to add in the cost of the extra parts as well as the cost of the adapter to your equasion. Still, depending on how many mags you plan on buying, you'd likely still be ahead using the adapter and G3 mags. The more mags you plan to buy, the more sense the adapter makes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renegadebuck 16 Posted November 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 (edited) Ok guys, The G3 can be made to work, but it maybe more modifying than you will want to do. HOWEVER, the FAL mags will work (about 8 bucks), so it's not going to be quite as cheap but, I think still a good value. I hope to have some even better news for you in a week or so. This design is gonna be sweet! And Yes, I am listening to the voices in my head! But only because so far, they're right! Edited November 29, 2008 by renegadebuck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paladin 37 Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 (edited) FAL mags are fine! They are still a hell of a lot cheaper than the SF/FBMG mags. DSA has metric FAL mags for $10. each if you buy at least 5. IMO a standard complement of mags is about 20. So 20 x $47 = $940! OR 20 x $10 = $200. Gee, which way to go? I can tell you that with the prices on Saiga's going nuts people are not looking at them as the same value as they once were. The higher cap mags were a great plus for the .308, but on top of the rising cost of the rifles people are looking at alternatives now. Edited November 29, 2008 by Paladin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renegadebuck 16 Posted November 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 FAL mags are fine! They are still a hell of a lot cheaper than the SF/FBMG mags. DSA has metric FAL mags for $10. each if you buy at least 5. IMO a standard complement of mags is about 20. So 20 x $47 = $940! OR 20 x $10 = $200. Gee, which way to go? I can tell you that with the prices on Saiga's going nuts people are not looking at them as the same value as they once were. The higher cap mags were a great plus for the .308, but on top of the rising cost of the rifles people are looking at alternatives now. Nathan of Magnolia and I are working on this together, so you know when the design is final, he will make a great product. I found some FAL mags for 7.99 on a website. I'll look again and post the link. I bought 3 from the surplus store for 8 bucks ea. to make the build. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Starykon82 0 Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 I'd like to see an AR-10 mag adapter. Magpul's PMags are the best mags I've ever owned. They're strong, reliable, and feed flawlessly in both my AR-15s. If an AR-10 conversion is doable I'd jump on the waiting list immediately! I'd kill to be able to use PMags on my S308. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfanatic 221 Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 I'd like to see an AR-10 mag adapter. Magpul's PMags are the best mags I've ever owned. They're strong, reliable, and feed flawlessly in both my AR-15s. If an AR-10 conversion is doable I'd jump on the waiting list immediately! I'd kill to be able to use PMags on my S308. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
20nickels 21 Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 LOL, so while this is BTT is there any updates? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfanatic 221 Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 LOL, so while this is BTT is there any updates? No Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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