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Im wondering if i buy one of these guns now and i convert it over if there is a "BAN" will my gun be classified as a destructive device? you know the whole pistol grip , 20 round drums, hard to justify for hunting....

 

would this be a sound financial investment? like should i buy 10 because they might triple in value over the next 10 years..

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Im wondering if i buy one of these guns now and i convert it over if there is a "BAN" will my gun be classified as a destructive device? you know the whole pistol grip , 20 round drums, hard to justify for hunting....

 

would this be a sound financial investment? like should i buy 10 because they might triple in value over the next 10 years..

 

 

I doubt it, the converted S-12 would be classified as an AW. The drum however, is a different story. Originally, Finewswine had wanted to serialize all hi-cap mags and have them registered as DDs. That was in the initial draft of the '94 ban, but the language to modify the '68 GCA in order to do so was struck out of the bill, mostly by the efforts of the NRA. Fineswine and Co. have not forgotten, nor mellowed in their fanatical pursuit of destroying our rights.

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. . . And out come the Wolves . . .

 

Just get one because you want one. If you're looking for fiscal/financial investments, I believe there are better out there. Fun investments at this cost, well . . .

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i just don't wanna be the guy who has the opportunity to buy 5 guns that might be banned from importation, and dosen't do it. imagine if i would of bought a few underfolding norinco ak's back before they were banned from import... think about that price turn around when i would go to sell it?

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i just don't wanna be the guy who has the opportunity to buy 5 guns that might be banned from importation, and dosen't do it. imagine if i would of bought a few underfolding norinco ak's back before they were banned from import... think about that price turn around when i would go to sell it?

 

I know what you're saying, your talking to an "investor", as I COULD buy ALL that I come across, if I felt the need. I could've personally kept Tony busy for at least a year, but, I got them for fun. To each his own I guess . . .

 

Just leave some for the rest of us, please . . .

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Your window of opportunity closed when CDNN ran out of S12s for $289ea.If you had bought them then you would have just about doubled your money by now which would be a 25% yield per year but these things will top out at $1200,the drums however might become an astounding investment.

 

I personally won't buy a drum unless I can pick it up cash in a FTF transaction because I think the whole package will eventually be a DD and ask anyone who owned a USAS12 if that was a good investment once they registered it,because it wasn't.I have seen them sell for $1600-$2400 and they were $1200 before becoming a DD and that sucks canal water.

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I know of a few USAS-12's around town, all under 2k.

 

I saw a striker-12 (street sweeper) for sale local for $1100...

 

I thought it was kinda funny about the striker, 11round rotary drum...

 

USAS is cool but it's big and heavy, I would rather have the saiga.

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Im wondering if i buy one of these guns now and i convert it over if there is a "BAN" will my gun be classified as a destructive device? you know the whole pistol grip , 20 round drums, hard to justify for hunting....

 

I own guns, yet I've never hunted a day in my life (no, nothing against it, just not "my thing"). Why would anyone have to justify any gun, with the fact that it's used for hunting?

 

Not to jump on a new guy, but that shit sounds exactly like the anti's reasoning for gun ownership. FYI, the 2nd Amendment has not a damn thing to do with hunting.

 

Welcome to the forum!

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America will slowley be taught it is dirty to own anything more than a single shot .177 ... and will have to make excuses why they want to own it... many American have allready left the 2nd as a memory of once ago..

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America will slowley be taught it is dirty to own anything more than a single shot .177 ... and will have to make excuses why they want to own it

 

Not me. I'll never have to make an excuse of why I own anything I own, gun-related or not.

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If you want an investment, then buy up drums and mags to sell if the ban would go through again, But if your wanting to buy a saiga to simply drive up the price later leave it on the table for the rest of us to buy because they are kickass.

As shooter 22 said why do any gun owners need to justify any gun they own? It's our 2nd amendment right and even if you don't every go hunting why can't you simply own a gun to shoot for fun and to relax with friends for an afternoon?

Sorry don't mean to beat up on the new guy but i think you've listened to to many news reporters or liberals on why do you need that big bad nasty looking gun?? :rolleyes:

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I would not buy for an investment for a future ban that may or may not come.If another ban does come most likely they will make it where you could have what you got but you could not legally sell it to anyone.This would hurt your "investment".Buy one because "you" want one.

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Like everyone else, I can't predict the future.

 

When it comes to investing, take the advise of experienced antique dealers; "buy what you like".

 

I will say this: if you want a Saiga-12 (or any other non-sporting weapon) you shouldn't wait too long to get one.

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you know the whole pistol grip , 20 round drums, hard to justify for hunting....

 

 

 

ShiiiiiiiiT!!!

 

The only reason I bought the 20-round drum that holds 2.75" shells is because they don't offer a 50-rounder that takes 3" magnums.

 

You can't have too much firepower when you go hunting.

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i think some people have the wrong impression here. . . .

 

to clarify Moe Zambeak... i just got out of the Marines in January, 6 years of my life i served my country, and im 23. I joined the Marines because because i wanted to fight for my country, AND i 've loved guns since i was old enough to shoot a bb gun, but few places in American society that you can get paid to "play with guns" uncle sam sent me to 2/2 after SOI and off i went... but in my time in the service i realized i knew more about my m-16 than the armorers that maintain them, i knew more because just like some men are obsessed with football since they were 11, i've been obsessed, studying and learning about gun's, foreign and domestic, the gun markets, the prices, the laws... being AWARE of the things around me.

 

as far as me buying ammo all over.. nope, sorry friend. i had that base covered 3 years ago...

and buying firearms, too late for that, got PLENTY of them too

 

i have all the guns and ammunition that i need for my personal well being and protection. im looking to do something as hobby now, something for fun... NOT to rip people off down the road, actually quite the opposite.

 

don't assume that just because i ask an off the wall question i don't know what im talking about, im looking for others input, gathering ideas/ opinon

 

just a heads up about shotguns...

 

mabe we could take a look at a part of The Gun Control Act of 1968,

 

B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which

the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable

for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may

be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an

explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of

more than one-half inch in diameter; and

 

dont you think Hillary would shit if she saw a 20 round 12 guage drum stuck in the bottom of a side folding ak shotgun?

i think there is a very real chance that these particular weapons till be targeted as something other than a shotgun.

 

i hope it DOES NOT happen, BUT there is a very good chance we'll another more specific assualt weapons ban

 

and if we do that whole pre / post ban thing will ensue. prices will distort because of supply and demand. once thing are gone they are gone.

 

im saying Theoretically, if i bought a few now, changed the furniture, sights, convert over to a pistol grip, and then sat them in a safe for 5 or ten years... would it benifit me one day down the road

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I bought mine because its a fun and kick ass shotgun. The closest you can get to is the M4. Yet that still has it limitations to capacity. Where as with the Saiga if some ingenious individual came up with a 100 rd drum (that worked) we could use it.

 

I think the sentiment sounds the same across the board. Buy the Saiga because you want it.

 

Worse case you should be able to get what you paid.

 

Good Luck and Happy Purchasing.. Also thanks for serving our country.

 

Jeremy

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This sounds quite a bit like Harley Davidsons in the mid-90's. People were buying new ones as quick as possible to flip them for a profit by selling them privately. They could do that because they were behind in production and there was a waiting list at the dealerships. I have to wonder how much of a production shortage there really would have been if so called "investors" hadn't been buying them left and right then filling waiting lists trying to turn a profit for themselves.

 

Also sounds like the housing market two years ago. People were buying multiple homes figuring they could hang on to them for six months or a year, then sell them for a profit. That didn't work out so well becuase it turns out people aren't interested in paying $250k for a house in the ghetto.

 

I can't stand either group. Demand from "investors" drives the price up; it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. :ded:

 

In the end, buy the Saiga because its more fun than a barrel of feces flinging monkeys. Buy gold, diamonds or stock ( :lolol: ) for investments.

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Sorry if I personally offended you an704. But the way you stated you initial post, "sound financial investment", it makes it sound like your just in it for the money . . .

 

But on the other hand, having said you're not doing it to rip people off, hell yeah it will benefit you one day down the road. I don't think they'll ever go down in value. But I do think there are better investments for monetary purposes. Better investments for fun purposes, well, that's highly debatable . . . :D

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The AG (the most anti-gun AG in history) could classify the S-12 as a DD at his whim. The GCA '68 quoted above gives him the power to reclassify any shotgun he thinks is "unsporting" with a bore over .50 with the stroke of a pen. I bought my S-12 because I wanted one badly and honestly believe this will happen as soon as he can get away with it. I think we've only made it this long because the S-12 cult is still under the radar enough to not get noticed. I've never met anyone personally who wasn't a dealer and HAD heard of them.

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you know the whole pistol grip , 20 round drums, hard to justify for hunting....

 

 

 

ShiiiiiiiiT!!!

 

The only reason I bought the 20-round drum that holds 2.75" shells is because they don't offer a 50-rounder that takes 3" magnums.

 

You can't have too much firepower when you go hunting.

 

 

Im mean who knows what you will run into in the forest hunting... could be liberals... and if there's a bunch of them...

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Reading your initial post you leave the first impression that you were just out to make a quick buck by buying 10 Saiga 12's. I don't think that I was off base for saying what I did.

 

I haven't been a member here long, but it didn't take more than a few minutes of lurking through the forums to see that everyone on here invests time and effort in each one of their shotguns. It takes even less time to see that the reward people on this board are looking for is the pride in their work.

 

Some members do make a living off working on these guns, but I have not seen the first hint of ANYONE on this board trying to make a quick buck or rip someone off. On the contrary, most people here do what they do because they love it, and they want to help others.

 

I may have come off like an asshole in my earlier post. For that I apologize. If you are coming here for help and knowledge this is THE place. You will be welcomed with open arms. You won't find a better group of guys then you will find here.

 

After I got out of the Army, I never thought I would have the same joy as squeezing off a belt on the MK19 grenade launcher. It only took one shot on my Saiga to change my mind. :killer: :killer: :killer::D

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Im wondering if i buy one of these guns now and i convert it over if there is a "BAN" will my gun be classified as a destructive device?

 

I believe the Obama administration will try to go after the Saiga 12, but not by ordering the ATF to reclassify it as a DD, instead Obama will just order the ATF to 'find' that the Saiga 12 is a non-sporting firearm, which is easier for the ATF to implement than a DD reclassification. The only reason the Clinton administration went after the USAS 12 and Street Sweeper by ordering the ATF to reclassify them as DDs, was because they hadn't realized yet that they could instead have just ordered the ATF to find that they were 'non-sporting', which would have also ended their importation, but without the all the paperwork and effort that goes into a DD reclassification.

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Thats complicated because it is a sporting gun.. Just about every feature on it is included in one or more popular hunting shotguns. If they go after magazine fed shotguns that includes a number of shotguns made strictly for hunting, or if they go for semis with magazines over 5 they also get a lot of hunting guns.. So other then a ban by name which they probably won't do they will piss off the fudds.

 

I love my S-12 for hunting small game, I don't own the large magazines because I don't see the point in them. I have 4 5 round magazines that I use.

 

The thing is that Saiga-12s are not that huge a deal. The USAS-12 was just plain and simple not sporting at all, the streetsweeper could be fired without the barrel thus making it a SBS.

 

Most of the saiga 12s that I see are either completely unconverted and with only a 5 round magazine, or just a basic conversion still with a 5 round magazine.

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you know the whole pistol grip , 20 round drums, hard to justify for hunting....

 

 

 

ShiiiiiiiiT!!!

 

The only reason I bought the 20-round drum that holds 2.75" shells is because they don't offer a 50-rounder that takes 3" magnums.

 

You can't have too much firepower when you go hunting.

Yeah, those pesky little wabbits can come at ya from behind any tree, anytime. Lol.

 

I own firearms because it's my 2nd amendment right. I will never give up my firearms, nor will I ever justify why I own what I own. Even if that right is slowly chipped away, I will stand firm as a patriot.

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