U.S. BREAKS OUT INTO A CIVIL WAR

[bigsal 757]

Who won the last one.....

[mgconnor13 206]

going to be more of a ideological revolution or should i say a "reclaiming of America" if fighting breaks out. Fiscal issues drove the American revolution in the first place. Britain was nearly bankrupt from the French and Indian war so they raised taxes on the colonies to pay for the massive national debt. Well now the fed is over 12 trillion in debt and several states are in debt too and Americans don't want to get stuck with paying the bill.

 

If things go bottoms up and shooting starts it will be ideologically divided between those who want to continue to have the government spoon feed them from cradle to grave at any expense and people want to earn a living all by themselves and be left alone.

[Azrial 1,091]

This is the stupidest damned poll of all time! Bad Rep to you for posting it!

 

The US Civil War was the most costly war in human life that the US has even been involved it.

 

I would think that the majority of us today favor State's Rights, as guaranteed by the 10th Amendment. Well THAT was the reason the war was fought.

 

The war was fought to protect the interests of Northern Industrialists who bankrolled Lincoln to power. There were riots in the streets of New York as this war had nothing to do with the interests of the everyday man from the North! It had nothing to do with Slavery! Slavery was a dieing institution and would have dissipated on its on in less then 5 years.

 

I am a proud Son of the South, but I have way more in common with a Conservative Yankee, no matter what his race or religion, then any liberal socialist! Even if he is from the South!

Edited February 13, 2010 by Azrial

[james peek 14]

This is the stupidest damned poll of all time! Bad Rep to you for posting it!

 

The US Civil War was the most costly war in human life that the US has even been involved it.

 

I would think that the majority of us today favor State's Rights, as guaranteed by the 10th Amendment. Well THAT was the reason the war was fraught.

 

The war was fraught to protect the interests of Northern Industrialists who bankrolled Lincoln to power. There were riots in the streets of New York as this war had nothing to do with the interests of the everyday man from the North! It had nothing to do with Slavery! Slavery was a dieing institution and would have dissipated on its on in less then 5 years.

 

I am a proud Son of the South, but I have way more in common with a Conservative Yankee, no matter what his race or religion, then any liberal socialist! Even if he is from the South!

pardon my ignorance. what is the meaning of "bad rep to you for posting it"

[DLT 1,646]

I won't choose a side in this scenario. I'd probably just pack up all my stuff and move to South America. I don't like to think such things. Also, the possibility of a race war to me is just so idiotic. Not that wars where ethnic tribes clash don't happen, but the whole concept is so anti-human development, that it just confuses the hell out of me that the majority of people haven't figured out that ethnic wars and genocide are concepts that hurt, not help, the human race. I honestly don't care if in 30 years there are no more "white" people in America. I actually knows how that feels because up until 8th grade I was "white", and then some dumb ass politician got the bright idea to group all people with Spanish surnames into one giant pot of crap and call us all "chicano", regardless if we were direct descendent's of Europeans. Suddenly I was no longer white. My birth certificate says I am, and it also says that for my wife, but guess what? My kids are not according to theirs, so I know a thing or too about losing my identity. And for the record, I don't care if in 30 years all the blacks, mexicans, asians and every body else is gone too.

[superA 289]

I would suspect any coming struggles will be between a whole bunch of pissed of Americans and something the a gov. is in control off besides the military, I'm starting to believe they will try and keep our military out of it as I do believe the majority of them would side with true Americans. By true Americans I mean the ones that will be easy to spot when things get really bad, the ones fixing things for themselves in opposition to the way the Feds are trying to fix it for us. I really think tax revolts will come into play and may handle this fairly peacefully. I imagine many Gov. funded programs would be completely done away with in last ditch attempts for those on top of the pile to maintain their "elite" status.

[RobRez 1,895]

I think I'll just stay in Montana. Any F#*ker wants to bring the fight here, well, I'll just wait for'em to get here to kill 'em. I'm not much for traveling.

[reb1861 14]

Kinda dumb poll,The us is not north vs south as far as views go.If a civil war were to hapen it would be gang of this camp vs gang of that camp with the side with the most guns wining.Thirs not a set stand on one side vs the other like there was in the 1860s.I see our next civil war not north vs south,east vs west butt of you joe blow vs the goverment to get our freedom back when that time comes.God I hope I dont live too see that,and pray it dont hapen to my kid !!!!

[G O B 3,516]

The side with guns and freedom......

 

 

+1

[G O B 3,516]

This is the stupidest damned poll of all time! Bad Rep to you for posting it!

 

The US Civil War was the most costly war in human life that the US has even been involved it.

 

I would think that the majority of us today favor State's Rights, as guaranteed by the 10th Amendment. Well THAT was the reason the war was fought.

 

The war was fought to protect the interests of Northern Industrialists who bankrolled Lincoln to power. There were riots in the streets of New York as this war had nothing to do with the interests of the everyday man from the North! It had nothing to do with Slavery! Slavery was a dieing institution and would have dissipated on its on in less then 5 years.

 

I am a proud Son of the South, but I have way more in common with a Conservative Yankee, no matter what his race or religion, then any liberal socialist! Even if he is from the South!

+1

[volkov 318]

the red states.. more conservatives with more guns, and more veterans... Also more of a will to fight rather than look for a diplomatic solution.. The north/blue states would try and negotiate this time around.. not attack Fort Sumter (or the modern day equivelant), and you know damn well the north wouldn't go on sherman's march.. even if it meant ending a war it's just not politically correct.. Fuck it, the north (blue states) would be starving to death and sill be worried if their fucking food was organic or humanely slaughtered. So if it's succession again, south wins hands down this time. If it's just an all out we hate each other bloodbath with no logic or politics behind it, just let's split em on the MD line and see who wins, south wins again (probably, closer this time though).. more guns, more veterans, more farms, less wimps.

 

 

edit: oh and the emancipation proclamation freed NO SLAVES.. only freed slaves in the southern states that Lincoln didn't control! so in effect did nothing.. The desire was to turn the war into a slave war so England wouldn't jump in on the souths side since England had only just decided slavery was a terrible thing in its' colonies and would have looked bad in european politics if they had jumped on the side of slavery..

 

IT WAS NOT A SLAVE WAR.. that was a byproduct of the politics used to win the war.

Edited February 15, 2010 by volkov

[patriot 7,197]

edit: oh and the emancipation proclamation freed NO SLAVES.. only freed slaves in the southern states that Lincoln didn't control! so in effect did nothing.. The desire was to turn the war into a slave war so England wouldn't jump in on the souths side since England had only just decided slavery was a terrible thing in its' colonies and would have looked bad in european politics if they had jumped on the side of slavery..

 

IT WAS NOT A SLAVE WAR.. that was a byproduct of the politics used to win the war.

 

...and got Lincoln some much-needed front line cannon fodder from negroes who fought for the North.

[BuffetDestroyer 969]

If war broke out, other countries would not stand by idly, which does not favor the the Constitutionalists. The United Nations would favor a Socialist government that supported them. Mexico would want to take back the southwest and California, so it would be interesting to see if they sided with or against the leftists.

 

It would not be a two sided war because the U.S. has too much to do with world politics today.

[RoughRider666 47]

If war broke out, other countries would not stand by idly, which does not favor the the Constitutionalists. The United Nations would favor a Socialist government that supported them. Mexico would want to take back the southwest and California, so it would be interesting to see if they sided with or against the leftists.

 

It would not be a two sided war because the U.S. has too much to do with world politics today.

 

that is one of the most intelligent posts ive ever seen on a topic such as this. +1 !!!

[DLT 1,646]

If war broke out, other countries would not stand by idly, which does not favor the the Constitutionalists. The United Nations would favor a Socialist government that supported them. Mexico would want to take back the southwest and California, so it would be interesting to see if they sided with or against the leftists.

 

It would not be a two sided war because the U.S. has too much to do with world politics today.

The Mexicans would be stopped cold on the Texas border by a group they would never expect to resist them. That would be the Tejanos. For those of you not from down here, Tejanos and Mexicans mix like water and motor oil. Yeah, they both speak Spanish, and both have Spanish last names, but that's where it ends.

[diamondback 56]

And a lot of Tejanos got a raw deal from Yankee carpetbaggers after the Revolution in '36, so I must say they are truly some of America's forgotten heroes... and I'll bet they would be found on both the Northern and Southern fronts defending the Occupied Republic.

[zaxon_182 44]

I think I'll just stay in Montana. Any F#*ker wants to bring the fight here, well, I'll just wait for'em to get here to kill 'em. I'm not much for traveling.

 

I think I'll go back to Alaska. I've had people ask me if we're a state, so I'll take the 663,000 sq mi flying under the radar.

[elia.jon1 1]

I'm waiting for Texas to secede. I've always wanted to live there and if they will take a 50 year old guy

who can supply his own hardware I will happily join there army.

 

 

 

no one can secede, it was made illegal by the(results of) civil war the us is like a big Ass gang, once your in your in for life.....there is no leaving no seceding, if you "secede" then your invaded and then the us will just re take what is its........

[leadsled 40]

Wherever the U.S. Constitution is followed!

+1

 

 

Yep, good point.

 

And it wont be North Vs. South, it'll be the Idiots in the cities(those dumb enough to stay when the SHTF) and everyone else.

Please do explain how your house in the middle of nowhere is so defensible. But first watch this!!! You really don't want to be considered an enemy or a threat by anyone. You're best bet in surviving a civil uprising is to lay low and do your best to protect home and family against roving bands of morons, city dweller or redneck. Both sides will end up getting spanked pretty badly. If the people in uniform roll by, just wave! Pray nothing ever happens and use your power in the ballot box. I choose to be on the side of the living!

[chevyman097 2,579]

I'm waiting for Texas to secede. I've always wanted to live there and if they will take a 50 year old guy

who can supply his own hardware I will happily join there army.

 

 

 

no one can secede, it was made illegal by the(results of) civil war the us is like a big Ass gang, once your in your in for life.....there is no leaving no seceding, if you "secede" then your invaded and then the us will just re take what is its........

 

FACE.....PALM....

[G O B 3,516]

Careful about that secession talk, although it is the right of any State to do so, the Federal Government has proven it will use force of arms to stop that shit. The State of Maryland was not even allowed to vote - we were invaded, the Government imprisoned and a puppet government set up in the Northern turncoat town of Fredrick. Our Government is STILL dominated by carpetbaggers and out of State (northern liberal)money.

[Bean.223 365]

Wherever the U.S. Constitution is followed!

+1

 

 

Yep, good point.

 

And it wont be North Vs. South, it'll be the Idiots in the cities(those dumb enough to stay when the SHTF) and everyone else.

Please do explain how your house in the middle of nowhere is so defensible. But first watch this!!! You really don't want to be considered an enemy or a threat by anyone. You're best bet in surviving a civil uprising is to lay low and do your best to protect home and family against roving bands of morons, city dweller or redneck. Both sides will end up getting spanked pretty badly. If the people in uniform roll by, just wave! Pray nothing ever happens and use your power in the ballot box. I choose to be on the side of the living!

 

Easily explained, My house in the middle of nowhere is by no means a bunker, I don't even have a basement. But I can almost guarantee that there wont be roving bands of My town's folks going around murdering people for their Coke a Cola. If you have any idea how true food distribution works in the cities you'll know that these cities of hundreds of thousands and millions will run out of food and water in weeks or less. Starving people (many armed) are VERY dangerous. Especially if they are spoiled the way most urban westerners are these days. I feel VERY confident me and my neighbors will band together and watch each others back.....not to mention cut the highway system and stop all interstate traffic between the cities...where my enemies live :angel: :haha:<--THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL J O K E Big Sister!!

Edited March 15, 2010 by Bean.223

[BocaShooter 0]

If war broke out, other countries would not stand by idly, which does not favor the the Constitutionalists. The United Nations would favor a Socialist government that supported them. Mexico would want to take back the southwest and California, so it would be interesting to see if they sided with or against the leftists.

 

It would not be a two sided war because the U.S. has too much to do with world politics today.

 

 

I can't believe it took this long for someone to mention this. If a war is going to happen on this soil it's going to be Americans with guns and whatever true allies we have vs. whatever foreign countries want to come in and get payback for our debt to them.

Edited March 16, 2010 by BocaShooter

[ktcm7271 999]

"We have no plan to invade the U.S. main land because there is a rifle behind every blade of grass"-Japan's WW2 supreme commander. Pretty strong endorsement. You guys nailed it, it would be constitutional free people against state dependent big government types. No contest in my book.

[KrisFox 69]

Montana was a confederate territory last time.

 

The most northern southern state.

[BronCobraJet 80]

So far, there are a few states willing to take on the feds. Wyoming just announced a $2000 fine and 2 year prison term for any Fed agent seeking to intervene with a "Within State" gun law. So far, Montana, Utah, Tennessee and Wyoming are really making a stand against the feds. Esp. Montana and Wyoming. Where the hell is Texas? Texas is a state many look up to, but are being sissies so far. Do you hear me Texans? SISSIES! Montana and Utah are out classing you. Wyoming just upped the ante. Where are you Texas? Tennessee has outclassed the southern tx boys as well. If Tx doesn't show up, there are many states that are beginning to assert there 9th and 10th amendment rights. Kansas was the latest I've seen a couple of weeks ago. GO KANSAS! Every state should get together with the others and join ranks. Montana rocks for being one of the first, but every one after them rocks just as hard and loud.

[diamondback 56]

Wyoming's a good start--I'll be REALLY impressed if some state passes one where such federal action is charged as Treason, or otherwise made a capital offense. States need to have teeth at least equal to the Feds ready to bite 'em back...

[ktcm7271 999]

Don't forget about South Carolina and Idaho pushing to drop the dollar and go back to precious metals. "Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes the laws"-Rockafeller.

[BocaShooter 0]

"We have no plan to invade the U.S. main land because there is a rifle behind every blade of grass"-Japan's WW2 supreme commander. Pretty strong endorsement. You guys nailed it, it would be constitutional free people against state dependent big government types. No contest in my book.

 

 

Except the Japanese would have been fighting united Americans who had the government's backing and a normally working infrastructure. Those factors may or may not exist in a civil war and if they don't then things will be too screwed up to easily fend off a modern invading force or forces.

[gfochu 1]

When it does just be prepared.... head to the hills removing street signs and blowing bridges as you go. hopefully Sat. comm. will break down and you won't be able to be tracked from above. ah glorious times...wait thats a different subject...ANARCHY CHECKLIST