Alexc.s. 25 Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Keep us posted on that electrons. If you get yours take a picture if you can. I got a buddy who wants one bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
electrons 2 Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Keep us posted on that electrons. If you get yours take a picture if you can. I got a buddy who wants one bad. I'm working on installing it right now. I will post a picture once I'm done tonight or tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Be careful not to take off too much at a time, especially from the rivet heads. I used a dremel to do mine and it was easy. Just had to go slow and keep test fitting til it was right. I was actually using the plastic prototype when I first fitted it so it was easy to tell if it was too tight fitting. Here are some pics of mine if it helps anyone.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
avnate 335 Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 I can honestly say I am glad to not have "MSA" on the sides anymore. Jesus what was I thinking.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
protected static 19 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I can honestly say I am glad to not have "MSA" on the sides anymore. Jesus what was I thinking.... Eh. A more discreet logo would have been nice, but hey... AR mags! Welcome back, Nate. Glad to see that you seem to be turning things around. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
electrons 2 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) Be careful not to take off too much at a time, especially from the rivet heads. I used a dremel to do mine and it was easy. Just had to go slow and keep test fitting til it was right. I was actually using the plastic prototype when I first fitted it so it was easy to tell if it was too tight fitting. Here are some pics of mine if it helps anyone.... What sort of bit did you use? I used the grinding bit for the bulk of the work but I'm finding it's a little too big for the fine touches needed for fitting. Edited July 9, 2010 by electrons Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 For fine touches go with a sanding drum or small grinding bits like those made for sharpening chainsaws. A carbide cutter is great for tight spaces. I don't mind the MSA on this one just because it's a demo. I can use one of my other ones from the final run at other times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rigrat 7 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 LOL, just send me the one with MSA on the side , I'll use it and it will be good advertising. Cobra the adapter looks good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
electrons 2 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Haven't had time to work on fitting, but here's a picture of the adapter itself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Once the adapter is fitted, do regular AK mags fit loose (when you remove the adapter I mean)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
electrons 2 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Got everything fitted finally. Need to touch up the paint since I was an idiot and didn't mask anything off. Steel mags drop free, Pmags do not drop free yet. Also I find the left side mag release stiff and hard to use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Gun looks great. Are you lefty? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
avnate 335 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 The springs are tight... If you wan,t pull the pin and remove the spring. Cut a half to 3/4 coil out this should help reduce the coil rate enough. The pmags should wear in, just takes time. Nate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TacSat 90 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Now for the million dollar question. Which adapter requires the least amount of material removed and what is the difference Between MSA and renagadebuks adpter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coils 2 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 I also have a question, just curious nothing else. Why do people complain about the MSA bilboard on the side of the adapter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Once the adapter is fitted, do regular AK mags fit loose (when you remove the adapter I mean)? Corbin this was my main concern when I first got the MSA adapter and learned I was gonna have to remove some material from my trunnion and inside the receiver. Like you I believe, I have always used the slightly modified Bulgy double circle 10 mags and have been extremely pleased with them. They have always run 100% in my gun and fit like a glove. To answer your question, yes the mags I have modified the feed lips on do fit a slight bit loose now, due to the milling of the trunnion where the feed lips seat against, but they do in fact still function and feed rounds just fine. Gotta thank Master K for that! One thing I'm seeing as a bonus though, is now the other Bulgy mags that I had put back and not modified, fit in there just fine, and also feed. So now I can use both....and the AR mags with the adapter. Just shoot an AR mag empty, replace it with as many other AR mags as you have, then if you run out simply hit the mag catch and drop the Adapter, AR mag and all, and slap in an AK mag and keep shooting! I like this! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 I also have a question, just curious nothing else. Why do people complain about the MSA bilboard on the side of the adapter? Honestly I don't really know. I think it's pretty sweet. Other companies broadcast their logos. Geez look at MD Arms....his drums even have the friggin web address on them in raised letters, and the company name.....oh in all fairness though, so do the Promag drums...I guess they must have copied that too.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Now for the million dollar question. Which adapter requires the least amount of material removed and what is the difference Between MSA and renagadebuks adpter? BTW I just talked to Nate and he's taking care of business today, so I hope you don't mind me answering a few questions here, because as he brought to my attention on the phone, I am the only one he knows of who happens to have both adapters in their possession, and is qualified to comment on this. I do hope that people can manage to trust what I'm telling them here since I have obvious ties to MSA and Nathan's my friend. For what it's worth I'm also friends with Mike (renegadebuck) and unlike Nate he has actually been to my house and we have gone shooting together on my range. He brought his rifle and adapter with him when he came, and even let me shoot it. I dumped a whole mag and was favorably impressed with his adapter. We only live about three hours from each other. Unfortunately Nate went and moved even farther away all the way to Texas. That's ok we'll get together some day.... Now without further ado... here are some side by side photos and comparisons of the two adapters I now have in front of me. I will follow up later with a range report using them both also. Please remember that I am doing my best to remain as unbiased as possible with this comparison. I will not post "opinions" without saying so. My aim is to post FACTS and let you guys draw what you want from that. I do have an interest in this because I will soon be selling the 'MSA' adapters too....but I will in no way be unfair to my friend renegadebuck by trying to show his adapter in a bad light. He is just like me and works hard making things for Saigas with his own hands. I have a huge amount of respect for that. I'm taking some pics and measurements now and will be back soon to post them. Shannon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
notofnow 5 Posted July 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 It would be great if you can tell us how much those 2 units weigh individually and the amount of modification required to fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 It would be great if you can tell us how much those 2 units weigh individually and the amount of modification required to fit. Yep...no problem. Dang this is gonna be pic heavy. I should really just start a new thead.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpnorris87 3 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Ok, I really dont mean to be rude but, Im about tired of not getting heard on this subject. I ordered an adapter from MSA during their 4th of July sale....while I was in Mosul, Iraq 03 July 2009. I am now 2 months from going to Afgan. I understand that sh!t happens. I know that Nate has been thru a rough time. But I spent $300 on parts with some really hard earned money and would really appreciate a simple email. Or at least word on what is going on. Sgt Norris, Joshua D co. 3-10 GSAB Ft Drum, NY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marsofold 6 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 (edited) I'll take my chances waiting for Renegadebuck's adapter. If for some reason he drops off the planet and is not heard from for several months, then I'd consider buying an MSA adapter from a third party. Edited July 11, 2010 by marsofold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
avnate 335 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 (edited) Redneck... Pm sent Mars... Thanks for your opinion. Not everyone is a customer and we're fine with that. Cheers. Edited July 11, 2010 by MSA 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpnorris87 3 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Ok...I just want to put out there, Im not trying to bash anybody, nor am I trying to persuade anybody to buy one product or another. I recieved a PM from MSA minutes after my post. I do not know Nate in any way, but I do know how sh!t happens. Thats life.....and if anything I will recommend him to any person looking to do business. Even after this long of time he is going to take care of his customers. And sir, if I was there I would shake your hand. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
electrons 2 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Gun looks great. Are you lefty? I shoot lefty. I happen to be a freak of nature that's right handed but left eye dominant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 I shoot lefty. I happen to be a freak of nature that's right handed but left eye dominant. I shoot left handed, but I'm right eye dominant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
notofnow 5 Posted July 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 I'll take my chances waiting for Renegadebuck's adapter. If for some reason he drops off the planet and is not heard from for several months, then I'd consider buying an MSA adapter from a third party. Last i heard from Renegadbuck was that he was waiting for some 3rd party to make his for him. He was supposed to send me an email when it was ready. That was 2 or 3 months ago. Has things changed and does he have any to sell? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
re-model 11 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 I know this is a Saiga forum... has anyone tried to fit one of these to a norinco .223? sure would solve alot of mag searching problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 I know this is a Saiga forum... has anyone tried to fit one of these to a norinco .223? sure would solve alot of mag searching problems. I haven't tried fitting the adapter in my Norinco 84-S but I have locked in my Bulgarian 5.56 x 45 waffle mags, and they fit well. I can't remember for sure if I have test fired it with them or not, but I think I have. I can try feeding some rounds from them tomorrow if you would like to know for sure. From my experience the steel Chinese .223 mags cost a lot more than the Bulgy mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
re-model 11 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 that is why I was thinking of trying one on a chicom...I know for a fact that bulgy mags are too wide for the norinco, but modified 74 mags snap right in. I will probably have to remove some material from the sides of the magwell also... I will try it on my BWK instead of my 84s . I just bought a renegadebuck adapt. in the FS forum, we'll see when it gets here. I want one of the MSA adapters for my Saiga conv. then I will have both and I can compare the two. The MSA adapt look more like a factory part when installed. anyone remember that old Hesse .223 AK that took AR mags? I saw one at a gunshow once for $150 a few years ago...should have bought it just for the parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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