nalioth 405 Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 This might be a newb question, but why do Saiga's have bullet guides when other AK's do not? Saigas do not have bullet guides. Bullet guides must be installed in a factory Saiga so you can use military magazines in it. All military Kalashnikovs have bullet guides. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 This might be a newb question, but why do Saiga's have bullet guides when other AK's do not? Saigas do not come factory with a bullet guide like traditional ak variants do. Being unable to accept mil-spec mags is one of the sporter configuration regulations that must be met to import the rifle. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 This might be a newb question, but why do Saiga's have bullet guides when other AK's do not? Saigas do not have bullet guides. Bullet guides must be installed in a factory Saiga so you can use military magazines in it. All military Kalashnikovs have bullet guides. I don't have an original AK103 magazine that Oleg sells in the UK to make the comparison but does the 103 mag have the same height front lip as the saiga propriety mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 (edited) This might be a newb question, but why do Saiga's have bullet guides when other AK's do not? Saigas do not have bullet guides. Bullet guides must be installed in a factory Saiga so you can use military magazines in it. All military Kalashnikovs have bullet guides. I don't have an original AK103 magazine that Oleg sells in the UK to make the comparison but does the 103 mag have the same height front lip as the saiga propriety mags? I don't have one of the current Izzy 7.62x39 military mags either, but it can't have the same height front lip as the Saiga "sporter" mags, because AK-100 series rifles use a factory-rivetted bullet guide, (in an AKM, the bullet guide is part of the front trunnion). New Izzy mags should have the same feed height and front lip as any combloc steel 7.62x39 mag made 40 years ago. Edited July 5, 2010 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ae13291 3 Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 If society brakes down we will see how handy the "Y" comes in... Also, as a point of fact, the other advantage of the 06 overruns is in the barrel that was included. Nalioth -1 for general ass-hat-ery. we dont need that Y stamp to locate the correct spot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 If society brakes down we will see how handy the "Y" comes in... Also, as a point of fact, the other advantage of the 06 overruns is in the barrel that was included. Nalioth -1 for general ass-hat-ery. we dont need that Y stamp to locate the correct spot. It makes it easier. I don't allays have a measuring device around. Lets assume that Zombies have taken control of the Military and Police, and all that stands between you and a hoard of repressive-zombie-pigs is a rifle you buried years ago in the yard with a drill bit and an original FCG... Now lets say that the repressive zombie control freaks have taken away all your tools and measuring devices... Who needs the 'Y' now??? Sal=1 Your Argument=0 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 That Y does little good without a rail for one of the other parts to ride on. So you will need that and a spot welder too. I buried a shoe lace with my zombie stash, just as good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 (edited) If society brakes down we will see how handy the "Y" comes in... Also, as a point of fact, the other advantage of the 06 overruns is in the barrel that was included. Nalioth -1 for general ass-hat-ery. we dont need that Y stamp to locate the correct spot. It makes it easier. I don't allays have a measuring device around. Lets assume that Zombies have taken control of the Military and Police, and all that stands between you and a hoard of repressive-zombie-pigs is a rifle you buried years ago in the yard with a drill bit and an original FCG... Now lets say that the repressive zombie control freaks have taken away all your tools and measuring devices... Who needs the 'Y' now??? Sal=1 Your Argument=0 Zombie de-animation? FA or no, a 7.62x39 is not the ideal tool for the job. If the Zompacalypse hit, I'd grab my S-12, (with several drums full of 00 buck). Also, at this point, I'd have to say that although FA is good for suppressing fire and/or wasting ammunition; rapid, aimed, semi-auto fire is better in all other situations. The Y is, in general, a nice feature to have.. but is it worth going through the process, (and more importantly the expense), of first even finding a mint-condition '06 overrun rifle for sale, then performing a complete mil-spec restoration, (including all the front-end work, new gas block, fsb, etc, etc).... when you can simply buy a brand-new SGL21 for ~$689? I don't fucking think so. Sal's argument = fail If you want to make yourself a FA room-broom come TEOTWAWKI, that's what Draco pistols are for. ymmv. Edited July 6, 2010 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK-47 33 Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 Wow, this thread was full of hypotheticals- well before the talk of the value of a Y stamp in the presence of uprising zombies... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 If society brakes down we will see how handy the "Y" comes in... Also, as a point of fact, the other advantage of the 06 overruns is in the barrel that was included. Nalioth -1 for general ass-hat-ery. we dont need that Y stamp to locate the correct spot. It makes it easier. I don't allays have a measuring device around. Lets assume that Zombies have taken control of the Military and Police, and all that stands between you and a hoard of repressive-zombie-pigs is a rifle you buried years ago in the yard with a drill bit and an original FCG... Now lets say that the repressive zombie control freaks have taken away all your tools and measuring devices... Who needs the 'Y' now??? Sal=1 Your Argument=0 Zombie de-animation? FA or no, a 7.62x39 is not the ideal tool for the job. If the Zompacalypse hit, I'd grab my S-12, (with several drums full of 00 buck). Also, at this point, I'd have to say that although FA is good for suppressing fire and/or wasting ammunition; rapid, aimed, semi-auto fire is better in all other situations. The Y is, in general, a nice feature to have.. but is it worth going through the process, (and more importantly the expense), of first even finding a mint-condition '06 overrun rifle for sale, then performing a complete mil-spec restoration, (including all the front-end work, new gas block, fsb, etc, etc).... when you can simply buy a brand-new SGL21 for ~$689? I don't fucking think so. Sal's argument = fail If you want to make yourself a FA room-broom come TEOTWAWKI, that's what Draco pistols are for. ymmv. Your argument is full of fail, remember the Zombies have taken control of all the cop shops and military bases and have access to the same gear the human LEO/Military have. The zombies have the same access to balistic vests whch will stop shotgun shells with ease. The s12 is full of fail. You will be zombie food... Now, a FA Saiga with steel core AP rounds are just what the doctor ordered. Me I prefer to survive the Z-pocolypse, not hide in some hole waiting for the Z's to find me (like ). Anyway, have fun storming the castle. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ermac 8 Posted July 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) Just another thought, what if they imported 16 inch barreled AK pistols with a little piece of plastic or wood in place of the buttstock so it doesn't count as a rifle, but a pistol. Then you could easily convert it to a rifle then. No more neutered AK's then. Of course you have to deal with 922r then once you make it a rifle. Edited July 9, 2010 by Ermac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Just another thought, what if they imported 16 inch barreled AK pistols with a little piece of plastic or wood in place of the buttstock so it doesn't count as a rifle, but a pistol. Then you could easily convert it to a rifle then. No more neutered AK's then. Of course you have to deal with 922r then once you make it a rifle. you can allays buy a pistol and a separate rear trunnion in case the law "changes"... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Your argument is full of fail... ...The zombies have the same access to balistic vests whch will stop shotgun shells with ease. The s12 is full of fail. You will be zombie food... ... I can't really imagine any scenario involving a man-sized target, (except long range), in which my S-12 would be "full of fail" ... With the right ammo, she can take out anything but very big game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) Your argument is full of fail... ...The zombies have the same access to balistic vests whch will stop shotgun shells with ease. The s12 is full of fail. You will be zombie food... ... I can't really imagine any scenario involving a man-sized target, (except long range), in which my S-12 would be "full of fail" ... With the right ammo, she can take out anything but very big game. Um, most of the lowest end Piggy-Vests block shotgun shells, even the older kevlar based vests stop slugs... Dragon Skin and some of the newer plate based armor would just make you more of an appraiser for the zombies. Not sure if you have done your homework here? If you would like I can point you to a new tool (its called google) with it you might be able to unlock some of the secrets of modern warfare... Edited July 9, 2010 by bigsal 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) Sal, I don't know why you keep talking about vests. I aim for the head, especially if the target's a "zombie". Edited July 9, 2010 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Sal, I don't know why you keep talking about vests. I aim for the head, especially if the target's a "zombie". Again, you are full of fail, what if the zombies, in preparation for your head shot, hooked their heads to their guts using a catheter, and have their heads now protected under the Piggy-Vest... ...or what if we are invaded by armor clad headless-horsemen... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Welcome to derailment, now serving.....the Saiga-12 forum 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonZo 157 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I just LOL'd all over this thread.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stnls1911 55 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I wouldn't have found it if you didn't post. I did LOL myself! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuffetDestroyer 969 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) In theory under Bigsal's circumstances, it would be beneficial to not have the SGL21's muzzle break on the Y marked receiver. This would allow the recoil to take out more zombies per burst as the muzzle climbs rather than just drilling the same one 3-5 times. I see validity in both weapons (the S12 and 7.62x39). However, the ammo weight would give edge to my 7.62x39 because the kevlar & plate wearing zombies may require more rounds to finish the job so I would want at least a case of ammo with me. Don't even get me started on when the Terminators, Predators and Aliens come! And the fucking Chupacabra outbreak is really going to get messy! Awesome thread! Edited January 13, 2011 by BuffetDestroyer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VaiFanatic90 360 Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 This thread is total win, I love it!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toshbar 36 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) I know of some 'demilled' romanian AKM receivers that were crushed. selling for $15. Just take the sides off that, overlay on the side of a saiga receiver, and you have a perfect drill guide. This is only for the aforementioned zombie apocalypse in which the police need help. Edited January 18, 2011 by toshbar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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