AR10PistolPimp 1 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/foghorn/breaking-obama-administration-bans-import-izhmash-kalashnikov-saiga-firearms/ I am sure everyone knows here, I just can't find the thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lumberman 116 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 It was only a matter of time. I'm sure an ammo importation ban will follow shortly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) 1st company to End their sale: ROYAL TIGER IMPORTS, $999 to $1299 just this morning. They are on my BANNED list, don't support companies that raise prices in reaction to political climate. Edit: they aren't price gouging, just ending their sale as a result of the current political climate to increase profit from sales while consumers buy up the last of what is in stock. Edited July 17, 2014 by AZG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Price is going to do what it does in these things, rise. Glad I have what I do but will be looking at other platforms now as paying the price now isnt smart. So let em go up certainly cant stop em or really complain about it to vendors, they didnt do this crap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 $699 from Classic is looking good for the 762x39 model.. Just bought a Yugo though.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bbwps 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Its not price gouging. Its a reaction to market conditions. Let's say that yesterday I had rifles listed at $599. Today by 10am there wasn't a saiga of any flavor in stock to be had from any distributor, (Actually by 9:30 was the case). Why would anyone sell you a gun at yesterdays price when you could double your money on it today? Its simple economics of supply vs demand. Any dealer, especially one that manufactures is going to be paying inflated prices till this is resolved. Its no different than when the price of a barrel of oil jumps and gasoline prices go up the next day. The product in the ground didn't cost more but replacing it will and you don't know by how much it will go up next week. Yeah I know companies like CTD gouged when the gun ban scare of 2013 happened and got a bad reputation for it. That was just on a rumor of a ban. This is a real deal ban on a certain gun and until it shakes out prices are going to go nowhere but up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuPiN8oR 333 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/94613-russian-sanctions-hitting-closer-to-home/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Its not price gouging. Its a reaction to market conditions. Let's say that yesterday I had rifles listed at $599. Today by 10am there wasn't a saiga of any flavor in stock to be had from any distributor, (Actually by 9:30 was the case). Why would anyone sell you a gun at yesterdays price when you could double your money on it today? Its simple economics of supply vs demand. Any dealer, especially one that manufactures is going to be paying inflated prices till this is resolved. Its no different than when the price of a barrel of oil jumps and gasoline prices go up the next day. The product in the ground didn't cost more but replacing it will and you don't know by how much it will go up next week. Yeah I know companies like CTD gouged when the gun ban scare of 2013 happened and got a bad reputation for it. That was just on a rumor of a ban. This is a real deal ban on a certain gun and until it shakes out prices are going to go nowhere but up. I disagree. Its gouging when you get items at a set price, then mark them up to increase your profit margin overnight. If the distributor jacks the price, then I can see raising yours to keep the margin the same. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Replacement cost of inventory and demand sets the price nothing else. We aint talking water or ice here after a hurricane. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Replacement cost of inventory and demand sets the price nothing else. We aint talking water or ice here after a hurricane. Suppliers I used that jacked prices for the panic, stuff that went up three times nornal. They made a quick buck. Now they wish I would still use them, fat chance, found better people to buy from 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Well in all honesty were I to sell any Saiga it would be at current prices not what I bought it at. Anything else is just fantasy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Supply and demand. Very simple economics and capitalism 101. Unless you want some sort of socialist price/wage fixing commie stuff? I am very surprised this is an issue. It may appear we will not be seeing any NEW imported Saigas for a very long time...if ever. If folks are willing to pay the $price$, then that is what an item goes for. If nobody wants to pay that much, the price will come down. It is an economic balance that made American great. HB of CJ (old coot) Wonder what my stuff will eventually be worth? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dogster 577 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Shhhhh......hear that? Its the value of my Saigas SKYROCKETING! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Makes me really consider dropping down on a parts kit before those are gone as well.......ahhhhhhhh the decisions. Wasnt really planning on starting the 74 project this early Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deadeye 325 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Will this effect vepr as well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuPiN8oR 333 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Yep deadeye, veprs as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
49north 7 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 A ban of commie weapons and/or ammo should not of been unexpected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerclaw_x 1 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Everyone calm down. I talked to K-Var today. Talked to TJ. He said, and I repeat. a) All Saiga, rifles or shotguns ARE banned. 2) Veprs rifles and shotguns are NOT banned yet. c) Bulgarian AKs are NOT banned. d) Romanian and Yugo AKs are NOT banned. This is coming from K-Var. I figure they would know what they are talking about. D Edited July 18, 2014 by Tigerclaw_x Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AR10PistolPimp 1 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I wonder when they will start the ban on all imports of ammo and firearms. I can think of lots of other rifle platforms that shoot AP ammo that have been converted to pistols. If Obama gets away with Banning Russian guns, I am quite sure he will take as many as he can while his miserable ass is still in office. This makes me so sick. I hated him ever since I saw him the first time, and I hate him more every time he abuses his office. I am disgusted, and only hope that when a new president comes to office, he will reverse all of this lame crap this idiot has put in place to disarm the American citizens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johninsotexas 1 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/foghorn/breaking-obama-administration-bans-import-izhmash-kalashnikov-saiga-firearms/ I am sure everyone knows here, I just can't find the thread. You can find it at teaparty.org Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Saiga Shotguns are junk anyways, sounds like mayo did us a favor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 But but but... But I want you to sell your stuff that you bought and paid for at the price I decide! I don't care if I passed up a hundred deals back when stuff was still being imported and your price was low. Now that it's banned I insist you sell me the banned stuff for the same cheap price! I don't care if you'll never be able to replace that inventory. I don't care that people are willing to pay more. You have to do what I want!!!! And if you don't you're an asshole! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I wonder how long we have to wait for them to ban all the imports. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Replacement cost of inventory and demand sets the price nothing else. We aint talking water or ice here after a hurricane. In this case inventory may never be replaced, or it could take years before these items are available again. the panic rip offs were not exactly the same thing, what made me mad were people selling AR mags for $100.00, I needed AR10 308 mags at the time and had no choice to pay $$$ for two of them. I stopped selling AR15 lowers $140.00 normal retail, when I found people reselling my lowers for $700.00 Other people I know sold their lowers for $500.00 each and made a ton of money one guy I know made several hundred thousand dollars. He customers absolutely HATE him now!! Thats screwing people, just because you can. selling guns that are no longer imported for a reasonable mark up is just business Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) selling guns that are no longer imported for a reasonable mark up is just business Selling anything for a price somebody is willing to pay is just business. I don't hate a company because they marked up their prices during the panic. There was no gun to my head making me buy. And that's the point that so many seem to miss. With the exception of fuel or food or water or electricity there is no moral issue with marking up prices. To all who complain about prices: The issue is that YOU are responsible for having the supplies you need. There is no guarantee that what you need will be available for any price in the future. If don't take the chance to get what you need when supply is good then shame on YOU. I get so mad at dumbasses who live in hurricane zones doing nothing to prepare and then when the hurricane is hours away they run around like the idiots they are trying to find plywood and a generator. Stupid fucks! That goddamn home depot was there the whole time, stocked with plywood and generators and flashlights and batteries. Edited July 18, 2014 by Darth Saigus 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magsite20 1,664 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 ^ I love the people buying a generator only to find out there's no gas to be had. guess this is going to hit Wolf ammo and others too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman1 1,753 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 selling guns that are no longer imported for a reasonable mark up is just business Selling anything for a price somebody is willing to pay is just business. I don't hate a company because they marked up their prices during the panic. There was no gun to my head making me buy. And that's the point that so many seem to miss. With the exception of fuel or food or water or electricity there is no moral issue with marking up prices. To all who complain about prices: The issue is that YOU are responsible for having the supplies you need. There is no guarantee that what you need will be available for any price in the future. If don't take the chance to get what you need when supply is good then shame on YOU. I get so mad at dumbasses who live in hurricane zones doing nothing to prepare and then when the hurricane is hours away they run around like the idiots they are trying to find plywood and a generator. Stupid fucks! That goddamn home depot was there the whole time, stocked with plywood and generators and flashlights and batteries. ^^^^^^THIS is why I stay here, GOD I love you guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 ^ I love the people buying a generator only to find out there's no gas to be had. guess this is going to hit Wolf ammo and others too. I'm gonna hunt Tula tonight when I go shopping. Need to get some more for the SKSs and was planning on buying anyways, all the more reason to now with all this shit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Buds is running a deal on Saigas.. supposedly got 300 of them on consignment.. wait.. there sold out.. I did order another 500 of ammo last night.. $134 shipped from Copes for BB 123gr FMJ's.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuPiN8oR 333 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 ^ I love the people buying a generator only to find out there's no gas to be had. guess this is going to hit Wolf ammo and others too. I thought wolf was ukraine made... anyone care to elaborate on this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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