SOPMOD 254 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 This is the poll they will try to show US lawmakers to make them think that banning our guns is a top priority so hit this poll and strongly disagree right now!! http://www.bradynetwork.org/site/PageServe...%20ritiesSurvey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeffmack 0 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 In their first question they assert that crime has shot up since the return of assault weapons. Is that even true? http://press.arrivenet.com/politics/article.php/649844.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 What is true is "when you're in a war to crush a Constitutional right, one class of firearms at a time, truth is typically the first casualty." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I hit the poll. Funny how they don't show the poll results. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IrishDevil 0 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I'm sure they will weed out the responses they don't like. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pointer 21 Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 I read some of there site....Im now catagorized as a "Gun Pusher"....Im so ashamed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 I'm sure they will weed out the responses they don't like. Exactly what I was thinking. A "poll" from HCI only carries weight for those who want to ban guns anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Telly458 0 Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 After I took the poll I recieved an email from stopthenra.com thanking me for my help in doing away with assault weapons! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kahrak 2 Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 After looking around that site, I felt like my head was going to explode from all the twisted logic that they use to justify their position. Their "fact sheet" pages are outright laughable and make some pretty ridiculous claims and use extremely manipulated and twisted statistics. My favorite is probably their page on how Australia's gun control was really a success, they cite how much gun crime went down (well duh, banning guns will do that you know...) but fail to mention that overall violent crime went WAY UP in Australia after the ban. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 the idiots backing this whole crap, *I* vote for or not. guess what I say on the polls? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davidsuffolk 96 Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 After looking around that site, I felt like my head was going to explode from all the twisted logic that they use to justify their position. Their "fact sheet" pages are outright laughable and make some pretty ridiculous claims and use extremely manipulated and twisted statistics. My favorite is probably their page on how Australia's gun control was really a success, they cite how much gun crime went down (well duh, banning guns will do that you know...) but fail to mention that overall violent crime went WAY UP in Australia after the ban. In the UK we lost just about all guns after a couple of really nasty incidents. A guy with an AK wandered around Hungerford shooting at random before killing himself so we lost self loading rifles (and strangely short shotguns). I wonder if he'd driven around in a truck mowing people down if we'd have had all lorries banned! Then a madman killed a class load of children at Dunblane with a pistol (and may he rot in hell for all eternity for that) so all pistols except muzzle loaders were banned.Sadly that was with a licenced firearm though the Police Authority chose to blame the gun rather than their own complete incompetance in allowing such a disturbed person a licence in the first place. BUT, like everything else, the only ones who were affected were the legal shooters. Criminals didn't bother with the law then and surprisingly they still don't. Our killings with firearms has gone up and up ( clearly always with illegal guns as there aren't any legal ones left!!) and the legislation has done absolutely nothing to stop that. Now there is talk of banning replicas even "as they can be converted to shoot live ammunition" Most replicas are airsoft and plastic so I'd like to see someone convert one of those (while standing WELL AWAY!). As an ex Police Officer in London I must also say that I'd rather be faced by a criminal with a toy gun than one with the real thing so, if they're happy with toys and end up getting shot themselves because of it, that's tough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ozone_00 3 Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 After looking around that site, I felt like my head was going to explode from all the twisted logic that they use to justify their position. Their "fact sheet" pages are outright laughable and make some pretty ridiculous claims and use extremely manipulated and twisted statistics. My favorite is probably their page on how Australia's gun control was really a success, they cite how much gun crime went down (well duh, banning guns will do that you know...) but fail to mention that overall violent crime went WAY UP in Australia after the ban. And don't forget Australia's ban on swords because of the wave of sword crimes after the gun ban. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pointer 21 Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 (edited) (Quote)..BUT, like everything else, the only ones who were affected were the legal shooters. Criminals didn't bother with the law then and surprisingly they still don't. Our killings with firearms has gone up and up ( clearly always with illegal guns as there aren't any legal ones left!!) and the legislation has done absolutely nothing to stop that BINGO!! Edited March 1, 2007 by Pointer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
surfmaster 5 Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Hi Everyone, Could someone give the forum members an update on the status of the legislation? Also, how is the proposed ban affecting the stocks of Saiga 12 shotguns? Thanks in advance for your comments for someone and those how have not been up to speed on the issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rocinante 100 Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 How serious should this political grandstanding be taken? I went ahead and ordered a saiga 12 because 1. They are hard to find in stock. I bought it off gunbroker.com for 418 shipped. Haven't gotten it yet and hopefully he really does have one to ship. I will be pissed if that is not the case. 2. Worried that since they are named by name they will be even more in demand because of the free advertising and added evil black gun mystique. 3. Worried that the price will be higher when supplies do come in. Nobody that was out of stock would commit to the current price. REAL REASON IS THEY ARE JUST TOO DAMN COOL AND IT WAS A GOTTA HAVE LITTLE BOY LIKES TOYS IMPULSE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inparidel 4 Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 In their first question they assert that crime has shot up since the return of assault weapons. Is that even true? http://press.arrivenet.com/politics/article.php/649844.html Like most of what the Brady website passes off as accurate information, of course it's NOT true. States with ZERO gun restrictions of any kind (yes there are a couple), Vermont, for one, has pretty much zero gun crime. States with liberal concealed carry laws have exceedingly low gun crime statistics. The Brady site has always sickened me. Nothing new here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
random sylvester 0 Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 In New Zealand we have one of the highest guns per person ratio ( shit loads of AK SLR AR )we also have one of the lowest gun crime rates as well , if you deleete suicide from the stats ( thats one they always add to beef up numbers) you get bugger all gun crimes and even then its all done with shiity double barrrels not $1000 + semi autos STAND YOUR GROUND Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getitat 609 Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Hello It needs to be noted that Rudy Gulliani (sp) is a pretty staunch anti-gunner. He's certainly a front-runner in the Republican primaries. -I reckon being victimized is just one of those New York perversities that is enjoyed there, they sure seem to like it... Respectfully posted, Guido2 in Houston Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flydutch 2 Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Hi Everyone, Could someone give the forum members an update on the status of the legislation? Also, how is the proposed ban affecting the stocks of Saiga 12 shotguns? Thanks in advance for your comments for someone and those how have not been up to speed on the issue. It currently is in committee and has no co-sponsors. (This latter item is good.) It has not as yet had its first committee hearing. You can follow its progress - or, hopefully, lack thereof - here: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1022 A lot of folks feel that this bill is so broad sweeping and covers far too many mainstream guns for it to achieve passage as it is written. However, we best not be too cocky about this fact; or our cockiness may just come back to bite us in the a$$. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marvin42 2 Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 did anyone else send them a mail voicing their opinions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marvin42 2 Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 has anyone heard the official news from NRA on an Anti-Brady campaign? Hi Everyone, Could someone give the forum members an update on the status of the legislation? Also, how is the proposed ban affecting the stocks of Saiga 12 shotguns? Thanks in advance for your comments for someone and those how have not been up to speed on the issue. It currently is in committee and has no co-sponsors. (This latter item is good.) It has not as yet had its first committee hearing. You can follow its progress - or, hopefully, lack thereof - here: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1022 A lot of folks feel that this bill is so broad sweeping and covers far too many mainstream guns for it to achieve passage as it is written. However, we best not be too cocky about this fact; or our cockiness may just come back to bite us in the a$$. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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