vujade 0 Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 This question is mainly geared towards police officers, military folks, etc... If you were given an order to start confiscating guns from the people - would you obey? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Hell, yeah! Free weapons to add to my personal collection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vujade 0 Posted October 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 you don't get to keep them. they get destroyed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Suck-up Police Chiefs and those specially politically connected always have options... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtnichols 51 Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Well there are 2 ways to look at it, #1. I am taking my brother's gun,... #2 I am taking SOMEONE'S gun who may use it to harm me, while doing my described duties in the near future,.. the distinction here is that lawful abiding gun owners should always, always represent themselves as an asset to whatever purpose or directives the law passes down,... like NO RIOTING, or NO ARMED ROBBERIES, and stuff, the second the enforcers have a need to question why good citizens might need to have their guns taken away, that's the problem,.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mstranglr 9 Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 "its better to burn out than to fade away" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ballistician 1 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Knowing some LEOs personally, yes they would. Not because they hate guns, but it's their job to enforce the law. If you're upset by it and unable to carry it out, it's time to turn in your badge--you're not doing you're job. Now if you're upset by it as a civilian, do not be upset with your law enforcement community, as it was YOUR duty to not be apathetic to politics or legislation. I have a better idea. Instead of "what if what if what if" in this post. You took the 15-20 minutes to instead email your state AG, your congressman or even mayor (if they have that power) about our 2nd right. Don't let it get to that point, speak up. Maybe you'll find an candidate like Tim Fox running for AG of Montana. He just doesn't vaguely say "gun rights", he says exactly what he believes. Find people like this and get them into a position of authority! http://www.timfox4ag.com/guns.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffian72 548 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Well, Guess that is if the officer goes along with not upholding his constitutional oath? My job was never to protect the powers to be, if I know the law or order was wrong. The same mentality that caused Ruby Ridge. Our own solders, in a war zone, don't shoot mothers holding babies. Or the officers who beat, killed and jailed freedom protestors in the 50's or 60's. Are you a badge bully or government goon. How about the border guards of police states who look the other way as people escape. Wrote before, how close to a civil war we were in certain parts of the U.S. in 90's. Sheriff deputies staring down Gov. goons. Yes, I know the saying (excuse), "Only doing their job". Have a brother, Police Chief, who has let go officers with the goon mentality. Some departments want or require the goon/bully mentality. P.S. Am I expected to give up the freedoms that those before us have sacrificed. To those who think this is outdated, may God have mercy on your souls. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snooter 6 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 no....and i blame my parents for all those early years in church.....get your bible out and open to the book of judges...read about gideon.....your answer is there...forget the rest of this robocop atari bullshit..personally first 2 house i could get the guns..by house #3 granny in the wheelie chair is hiding a gun and zaps my ass in the back......50% of the cops will do it....the other half are more on your side then you know.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevymann 13 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 IMO If this time comes to pass, the local LEO's will be given the "your duty" speech to provide support for the "hired goons" that will actually do the dirty work. The subject of LEO's confiscating weapons was brought up at a meeting at the local gun club by a NRA rep that was sponsoring a kids air rifle tournament. When someone said, "you think my relatives in LE, or my neighbors will come to take my weapons", the NRA rep stated that it would of a group of Philipino hired goons would do the deed.. This meeting occured over 4 years ago and many people openly laughed at him. Austrailia has been through the gov't controlled confiscation of weapons.. I work with a guy from Sidney and he told me of the horrors of not being able to find 4" PVC pipe and that there are probably thousands of weapons still buried across the continent. Anybody know who did the dirty work in Australia? I will ask my co-worker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vultite 57 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 the thought of this here to me just seems ridiculous. All the wrongful death lawsuits pointed at LE was dismissed b/c there is a little something that states LE isn't responsible for your protection, b/c civilians are able to protect themselves, so if that were to be turned around, those lawsuits would also, bankrupting departments across the land. the worse that could really happen is a AWB with stricter rules, probably rules not letting us convert our saigas ect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevymann 13 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 the thought of this here to me just seems ridiculous. All the wrongful death lawsuits pointed at LE was dismissed b/c there is a little something that states LE isn't responsible for your protection, b/c civilians are able to protect themselves, so if that were to be turned around, those lawsuits would also, bankrupting departments across the land. the worse that could really happen is a AWB with stricter rules, probably rules not letting us convert our saigas ect. Nobama is already infamous for voting to prosecute citizens that defend themselves using deadly force. A "need for change" clause would be an easy bill to pass if "confiscation" was actually considered feasible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GPalmer 1 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Knowing some LEOs personally, yes they would. Not because they hate guns, but it's their job to enforce the law. I'm not LEO, armed forces, etc. I'd be the one getting the guns confiscated. Hey, let's face it, as much as folks might talk now, what would the guards at the Nazi death camps have said a few years before they were gassing people? It's basic human nature, if such a thing were to transpire, many of those who say "from my cold dead hands" would roll over and heel and many of those who say they would never do it would be right there confiscating guns. Look at New Orleans after Katrina. Only thing I worry about if that comes is that I have the strength to stand for what's right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ironhead7544 35 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 In Austrailia, they paid for the guns they took. I dont think that would happen here. At one time, slavery was legal here. If slavery was made legal again, who would round up people and take them to the slave pens? It would be legal, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cellsworth 21 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I would not follow an order to confiscate guns from law-abiding citizens because I have sworn to uphold the Constitution, and I am not bound to follow illegal (unconstitutional) orders. I wouldn't even have to worry about my job given existing law. Now, if the Constitution were somehow "trashed," it would require considerably more backbone to stand for what you believe and to do the right thing. I certainly hope that I would. Don't think for a moment that gun confiscation could never happen here. It most definitely could. Let's do all we can not to let it get to that point though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 It won't be your local leos doing the majority of the confiscating. In some parts of this country, like DC and San Fran, it absolutely will. In other parts of the country all the guns will have mysteriously disappeared by the time the local cops get there...................... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dirkenstien 2 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 United we are stronger than any one man. If we stand together as brothers fighting for a cause greater than ourselves then we cannot be defeated. If we know what is right but do not do it then we will have failed ourselves, ignored the sacrifices of our forefathers, and set up our children and grandchildren for the slaughter. Don't ever hesitate to do what is right, it's the one decision you can never regret. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
read_the_wall 614 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 There would be little to no media coverage of such a thing. I have to believe that there would be dire consequences. Maybe after a few attempts by local LEO. it would probably be our military or nato troops trying to confiscate. Hopefully it will never come to that. MOLON LABE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
righttoown 0 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I really don't think it will be our local police or our military that we law biding gun owners support. It will be a U.N. force or God forbid an Obama special military appointed force. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffian72 548 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 A socialist state does not allow dissent. Look how reporters or even average "Joe's" are treated by the elite and their kool-aid drinking fallowers. Simple: Do you wear a badge to protect the people or the power. On patrol are you respected and glad to be seen, or untrusted and hated. P.S. On rural patrol do you get waved at or given the look of hatred by the average citizen. I can tell on my duties throughout the U.S. within moments what kind of officer I'm dealing with. Know departments that most citizens would aid in any way possible, others that the people would piss on their graves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1gun 0 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Maybe a dumb question, but honest one: Do LEOs take an oath to the Constitution like military? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
choctaw 1 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Maybe a dumb question, but honest one: Do LEOs take an oath to the Constitution like military? Yes, and there is the answer. At least for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akdog 3 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 This question is mainly geared towards police officers, military folks, etc... If you were given an order to start confiscating guns from the people - would you obey? Knowing what the 2nd amendment loyalists believe, there would likely be some LEOs in body bags. No one is going to convince me that all of the "from my cold dead hands" crowd will submit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 You all have missed my point entirely. I thought you guys were smarter than that. Or do you enjoy threatening to kill cops?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I would submit like a good law-abiding citizen. But times are tough, I may have sold them all by then for the extra monies... in a bad economy, nothing is safe from the auction-block. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 You all have missed my point entirely. I thought you guys were smarter than that. Or do you enjoy threatening to kill cops?? In case it ws missed, here it is again... "It won't be your local leos doing the majority of the confiscating. In some parts of this country, like DC and San Fran, it absolutely will. In other parts of the country all the guns will have mysteriously disappeared by the time the local cops get there......................" We have a lot of good LEO's here and I sure as heck don't want to give umbrage to guys doing a difficult job to protect me. As was stated, the few bad ones will be easily identifiable. 1911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HarvKY 72 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I commented in another thread about the day blue helmets will be on the ground in "our" country, so I'll defer further comments along those lines. The probable answer for the original question posed should be pretty obvious to anyone who has had Psych 101 or any eposure to social psychology discussions .... Stanley Milgram's experiment on obedience more than 40 years ago !! A quick overview from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment Then to take a study of human nature a little deeper and darker, think Philip Zimbardo at Stanford http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment And I did not bother to check Wiki for Abu Ghraib ?? Never underestimate what the average human being is capable of when put in the right/wrong situation. HarvKY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 We have a lot of good LEO's here and I sure as heck don't want to give umbrage to guys doing a difficult job to protect me. As was stated, the few bad ones will be easily identifiable. 1911 And I am sure phone calls will be made to certain people before any confiscations take place................. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Krom 36 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) double post...opps Edited October 31, 2008 by Krom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Krom 36 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) The day that UN blue hats are under the false belief that they will be allowed to enforce ANY law or treaty on American soil will be a sad and bloody day in American history... I'm sworn to defend the Constitution against all threats FOREIGN and domestic, which includes the 2nd Amendment. I don't really fear confiscation anytime soon, it's the coming generations that I fear for. They are the ones that could find themselves helpless in the face of a socialist, corrupt world that our 2nd Amendment were always designed to prevent. We have to use all the political means we can to preserve our rights. I love this great Nation and have faith we will defeat(political) those who would turn this country over to the control of other government(s). If not may God have NO MERCY on the souls of those responsible, be it foreign or domestic. Edited October 30, 2008 by Krom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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