cccp15 0 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 So ummmmm being a evil ninja that i am and running out of gun scrubber i decided to have a look at what else I had laying around to clean the S12 with... I used break cleaner to clean my Nagant 91/30 after shooting the corrosive ammo and it workerd out great since break cleaner is like 99 cents a can vs 12 bucks for gun scrubber . Well after spraying the hell out of the S12 with half a can of break cleaner all seemed well untill I touched the reciever. The freaken finish came off and stuck to my fingers like black nailpolish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I only had 25 rounds through this gun. Interesting bit is the barrel finish did not come off but the reciever finish melted off. 1. So lesson learned is do not use break cleaner on the Saiga! 2. A Nagant is one tough freaken gun! So I might send the gun to classic arms and have them chrome the whole dam thing now since it looks like it went through WWIII but more than likely I'll leave it alone and next time use some carb or choke cleaner... maybe some maf cleaner... or charcoal fluid... gasoline... any ideas people? PS my camera is in taking a trip to abhazia so no pics but trust me it looks like melted paint. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 So ummmmm being a evil ninja that i am and running out of gun scrubber i decided to have a look at what else I had laying around to clean the S12 with... I used break cleaner to clean my Nagant 91/30 after shooting the corrosive ammo and it workerd out great since break cleaner is like 99 cents a can vs 12 bucks for gun scrubber . Well after spraying the hell out of the S12 with half a can of break cleaner all seemed well untill I touched the reciever. The freaken finish came off and stuck to my fingers like black nailpolish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I only had 25 rounds through this gun. Interesting bit is the barrel finish did not come off but the reciever finish melted off. 1. So lesson learned is do not use break cleaner on the Saiga! 2. A Nagant is one tough freaken gun! So I might send the gun to classic arms and have them chrome the whole dam thing now since it looks like it went through WWIII but more than likely I'll leave it alone and next time use some carb or choke cleaner... maybe some maf cleaner... or charcoal fluid... gasoline... any ideas people? PS my camera is in taking a trip to abhazia so no pics but trust me it looks like melted paint. Sorry to hear your going to need a refinish so soon, but I do apreciate you posting this information for everyone to see. Your gun wasn't duracoted right? it was the factory finish? Did the finish on the bolt carrier also do this? or did it hold up like the barrel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Standard cleaning procedure at the shop I frequent: liberally spray all areas with WD40--it will not harm any finish to the metal or furniture; then blow off all the WD with air and wipe off residue. Lubricate the appropriate areas with CLP. Leave it at that. It has never failed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Standard cleaning procedure at the shop I frequent: liberally spray all areas with WD40--it will not harm any finish to the metal or furniture; then blow off all the WD with air and wipe off residue. Lubricate the appropriate areas with CLP. Leave it at that. It has never failed. I'm interested in if it stripped his bolt carrier becaws that would make a great first step to polishing it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BronCobraJet 80 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 I've used brake cleaner for years on my AR-15 with no issues. I wouldn't use carb. clean unless you wanted to finish stripping off the rest of the glop. It eats paint pretty good. Thanks for the heads up on the S-12 though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) If you want to do DuraCoat, you can use an airbrush, check out this video.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIUpl4gpW-k Nagant is one tough gun, when you run out of ammo, you can use it as a club. Check out the Model 28/76 Marksmanship Rifle! Edited April 13, 2009 by vbrtrmn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cccp15 0 Posted April 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Wow you guys must be like me and not have a doctor that will give them Ambien lol but yha to answer your questions.... it did not strip the bolt paint or the paint on the thread nut at the end of the barrel... just on the reciever... at this point after giving it some though... I really dont care all that much... now i can throw this thing around and not really care... so I wont paint it back maybe cold blue it so it doesnt rust over but other than that who cares it still works like a S12 should. I'll try to take some pictures with my phone but I'm not sure if they will turn out... but if there is demad to see this then let me know... if the people speak I will listen... vote for Pedro!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
veprk 12 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Yeah,not happy with few thing on the saiga 12.One,problems with bulk ammo,fixed for 40 buck's. Conversion nonsense(not gun or manufaturer problem) Not happy with finish.By far the worst of any gun I own. Over all I'm happy with the saiga 12 after the conversion and tappet.But would much rather have the vepr12.My vepr's are over 4 years old with thousands of rounds atleast and look brand new externally.The saiga,alittle over a month old and less than 300 rounds looks to have seen combat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rockmup 12 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Yeah,not happy with few thing on the saiga 12.One,problems with bulk ammo,fixed for 40 buck's. Conversion nonsense(not gun or manufaturer problem) Not happy with finish.By far the worst of any gun I own. Over all I'm happy with the saiga 12 after the conversion and tappet.But would much rather have the vepr12.My vepr's are over 4 years old with thousands of rounds atleast and look brand new externally.The saiga,alittle over a month old and less than 300 rounds looks to have seen combat. if you need a solovet, Gunscrubber makes one that is plastic safe. It will not harm your coating at all, whether its factory or GunKote,Duracoate or Ceracote. Even the Krylon paints Honestly, imhop WD40 or something like it should be more than enough Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lipadj46 2 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 The Saiga receivers are painted and you know not to get brake cleaner on paint, it says so right on the can. Next time just use WD40 if you want a cheap gun cleaner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gothchick 0 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Hoppe's is good too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Etek 32 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 It's BRAKE cleaner not Break Cleaner. There are several types of Brake Cleaners. Water, Trichlor, Methanol, Ethanol, and Toluene. The Toluene based stuff eats paint, that's why it's used as a paint remover! Read the label. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I figured I'd ask here, since I can't find anything definitive with the search function yet.... What types of chemicals should you AVOID when you have a duracoated firearm? I assume things like WD-40 and silicone lubricants would probably be OK. Thanks Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hobbyshooter 59 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I figured I'd ask here, since I can't find anything definitive with the search function yet.... What types of chemicals should you AVOID when you have a duracoated firearm? I assume things like WD-40 and silicone lubricants would probably be OK. Thanks Corbin My rule of thumb for ANYTHING with ANY finish on it: Stripper/degreasers should be avoided. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 That makes sense. I wouldn't knowingly put anything like stripper on my Duracoat. I think the problem will be with some ingredients in other stuff, like lubricants. I know some silicone lubes have petroleum distillates and other chemicals. As a scuba diver, I had to be careful what silicon spray I put on my rubber/silicone gear, as certain chemicals would mess with them. Since my bolt carrier is just bead blasted and essentially bare, I need to put something on it to keep the rust away. I just don't want it to affect the duracoat on the receiver. I figure WD-40 would be alright, but I'm not sure how well that would stay on areas like the charging handle, since I'm always handling it there. Thanks Corbin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
westonsecurity 6 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I guess the name Duracoat is a little misleading? I've done my fair share of using the wrong stuff to clean. It happens, just learn from it. It' s real hard to learn during the freak out session after you see the effects of what you just did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rustynuts 3 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Also avoid any CHLORINATED brake cleaners if you have to use brake cleaner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
goingpro 2 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 what about CLP Break free? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 CLP will work fine without hurting the finish. Most military/ex-military guys (including myself) will use nothing else to clean their firearms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MD_Willington 11 Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 ...but that runny purple stuff is cool ! LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hobbyshooter 59 Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 That makes sense. I wouldn't knowingly put anything like stripper on my Duracoat. I think the problem will be with some ingredients in other stuff, like lubricants. I know some silicone lubes have petroleum distillates and other chemicals. As a scuba diver, I had to be careful what silicon spray I put on my rubber/silicone gear, as certain chemicals would mess with them. Since my bolt carrier is just bead blasted and essentially bare, I need to put something on it to keep the rust away. I just don't want it to affect the duracoat on the receiver. I figure WD-40 would be alright, but I'm not sure how well that would stay on areas like the charging handle, since I'm always handling it there. WD-40 is only good for getting water & dirt off of stuff. It evaporates pretty quickly and will leave bare metal exposed for rust. For your blasted bolt carrier I'd suggest either putting some paint on it, (clear coat if you want to keep the look) or at least trying to put some wax on it. Clean it, wipe it dry, apply wax. http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/pro...ail.aspx?p=6705 Or some pep boys carnauba wax would work better/last longer than a film of WD-40. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taseal 12 Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 FUCK, i just did the same thing... GOD DAMN IT DUDE WTF I guess I'm screwed fawk man really? I haven't even shot the thing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Parson Julabee Jones 32 Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 I've found carb cleaner to be a better paint remover than brake cleaner....and if I faced your situation, I'd simply finish the job by using carb cleaner and taking everything else off the metal, (not touching any plastic) then starting over from 'scratch'. PJJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taseal 12 Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 I got lucky... alot of purple stuff came off, but the color and finish is still intact. that was a close call... lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Brakleen does not cause any trouble on my SGL or Saigas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 I used break cleaner to clean my Nagant 91/30 after shooting the corrosive ammo and it workerd out great since break cleaner is like 99 cents a can vs 12 bucks for gun scrubber . ... 2. A Nagant is one tough freaken gun! A Nagant is a revolver. A 91/30 is a "Mosin Nagant" or simply "Mosin". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I use alot of Brake Cleaner, I love it for blasting clean various small parts and mechanisms. I don't know, maybe its just me, but I've always tried to keep from slopping any solvents onto finished surfaces Not always easy, I know, have a blemish on my S12's receiver (Dupli-Color Engine Enamel with Ceramic) from brake cleaner. Be careful with that shit. Bad for skin/eyes and various paints/etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 I use 6 parts STP Oil treatment, 4 parts transmission fluid for oil. $9 makes half a gallon. For grease I use Lucasoil Red N' Tacky $4 for 14oz For solvent I use WD40 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
datubie 21 Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 (edited) Gunkote Duracoat degreaser will dissolve the coating on Saiga 12s. Edited November 21, 2010 by turbotezza Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zenman223 460 Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 (edited) WOW im really glad someone brought this thread back up cuz i picked up a can of brake cleaner last week to clean a stainless pistol im working on. Also had plans on using it to degrease the Saiga befor Alumahyde'n it. Thanks for the info, sorry to hear about your gun. but look on the bright side now you can put a nicer finish on it!! Also someone said brake cleaner wash methanol or ethanol but i thought ALL brake cleaners were ethyl ether? or is that carb cleaner? ETA what would be a good degreaser for prepping a Saiga for alumahyde or similar?? Edited November 21, 2010 by big-J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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