A contender for the S-12 could emerge - Akdal MKA 1919

[Ignition 9]

Now the question is, could we get it imported or convince akdal arms to build a plant in the US. :super:

 

Akdal MKA 1919 semi-automatic shotgun (Turkey)

 

From wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akdal_MKA_1919

Production history

Designer Akdal Arms (Ucyildiz Arms A.S.)

Designed 2006

Produced 2007

Number built Approx. >1500

 

Specifications (Akdal MKA 1919)

Weight 3.25kg unloaded

Length 964 mm

Barrel length 470 mm

Cartridge 12 Gauge

Action gas operated, semi-automatic

Feed system 5 round detachable box

 

Akdal MKA 1919 semi-automatic shotgun uses a conventional gas-operated action which is located around the support tube that runs below the barrel. The return spring is also located around the same support tube which is concealed by an enlarged polymer handguard. The MKA 1919 barrel is can be quickly removed from upper receiver. To charge the shotgun, the charging handle on the receiver needs to be pulled. The upper receiver is manufactured from an aluminum alloy while the lower receiver, along with pistol grip and shoulder stock, is manufactured as one piece from impact-resistant polymer. Akdal MKA 1919 semi-automatic shotgun has a 5 round detachable box magazine. The magazine catch is identical to the M16 magazine catch and is located on the lower receiver. Manual safety also duplicates M16-style being located on the left side of the receiver above the pistol grip.[1] Standard sights include a front post installed on the M16-style removable base and a detachable M16A2-style carrying handle with built-in diopter sight. On the upper receiver, an integral Picatinny rail can be placed which will accept detachable carrying handle or optional red-dot or other optical sight attachments.

[slostang 80]

I think i read somewhere that these were approved for importation.

[Saiga_rom 91]

damn, that is cool!!

 

but it said there were only 1500 made? something tells me that means they are going to be incredibly expensive

[FORKLIFT352 63]

I think this is what the atf is baning for impot.

I went to the web sight and saw a drum that

looked like an MD.

[Ignition 9]

it said >1500 but this thing just started production about a year ago and according to some pakistani gun website it was cheaper for him to buy that then a saiga.

[Mullet Man 2,114]

I think this is what the atf is baning for impot.

I went to the web sight and saw a drum that

looked like an MD.

 

 

Post up a dead link

I dont see it on their site.

[Gunfanatic 221]

Talked about it already here.

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/51215-ar-15-12-gauge-shotgun/

 

It will have to materialize in the US in significant number before it will contend for my S-12

[lbsrdi 1,078]

Is it a gas impingement system? Or bolt operated?

[Saiga_rom 91]

it said >1500 but this thing just started production about a year ago and according to some pakistani gun website it was cheaper for him to buy that then a saiga.

 

thats interesting man. in that case, id be eager to buy one of these

[spicoli 12]

Looks like a 410 to me.....

[Ignition 9]

The only link i could find dealing with importers is http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/02/12/atis-new-12-gauge-ar-15-patterned-shotgun/

 

It stated that "American Tactical Imports" were going to import them, and then the ATF told em "no sporting" but reading further down they made it sound like RAA was picking up importation and had got it approved. But it all seems like rumormill.

 

I was told it was on stand at the 2011 shot show

[Ignition 9]

also, seeing as its upper isnt the "firearm" i wonder if we could get those parts imported and an american built lower. muhahaha

[Saiga_rom 91]

i like that idea. gotta have numerous AR's and AK's chambered in multiple rifle cartridges, as well as 12 gauge shotgun!!

 

although personally, i think id probably want to get either an AR10 or an FAL first because i dont have any rifles chambered in .308

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

also, seeing as its upper isnt the "firearm" i wonder if we could get those parts imported and an american built lower. muhahaha

 

Nope, the 5.56/223 lower will NOT take a 12 gauge shell, the 2 3/4" shells just BARELY fit into the magwell without a magazine to hold them.

 

And forget 3" magnums.

 

Now an AR10 lower...

[lbsrdi 1,078]

Cali_Armz: Go with the Saiga .308, I highly recomend it! I have other .308's and my Saiga is my favorite. The AK platform outperforms other guns hands down. In my opinion.

Edited April 4, 2011 by King of the Hill

[evlblkwpnz 3,418]

With the one piece lower and stock, and the inability to SBS it without major modification of that under barrel gadgetry, I don't see it as a strong contender.

[Ignition 9]

Yeah I figured a normal ar-15 wouldnt cut it. Heck I wonder if we could convince mkd to import a US version that has the barrel rifled and call it sporting (since the barrel can be removed easily as well and put the smooth bore back on)

 

then mass import smooth bore barrels as an accessory

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

Yeah I figured a normal ar-15 wouldnt cut it. Heck I wonder if we could convince mkd to import a US version that has the barrel rifled and call it sporting (since the barrel can be removed easily as well and put the smooth bore back on)

 

then mass import smooth bore barrels as an accessory

 

Ah, now I understand what you meant but, how does a rifled barrel make a shotgun sporting? All of my "sporting" shotguns have smooth bores, in fact the smooth bore would HELP with the "sporting" argument.

 

Hell, I'd love to have a rifled barrel for my S-12 so I can shoot some of those badass slugs so I don't see why you'd take a rifled barrel off...

[pedal2alloy 206]

Yeah I figured a normal ar-15 wouldnt cut it. Heck I wonder if we could convince mkd to import a US version that has the barrel rifled and call it sporting (since the barrel can be removed easily as well and put the smooth bore back on)

 

then mass import smooth bore barrels as an accessory

 

Ah, now I understand what you meant but, how does a rifled barrel make a shotgun sporting? All of my "sporting" shotguns have smooth bores, in fact the smooth bore would HELP with the "sporting" argument.

 

Hell, I'd love to have a rifled barrel for my S-12 so I can shoot some of those badass slugs so I don't see why you'd take a rifled barrel off...

 

Nobody should expend any effort to try and convince anybody that anything is "sporting." That's a bullshit unconstitutional rule that some pussies cooked up to restrict gun rights by getting some of the namby-pamby gun owners to agree that 'nobody really needs a military firearm' as some kind of "reasonable compromise."

 

Now, we have more and more gun people trying to comply with that load of crap because it's the path of least resistance, and that amounts to tacit acceptance of it. Well fuck that shit, and that's where the next battleground is going to be if (or when) they decide that the S12 is "not sporting." The counter-argument should not be 'well it kinda is' but instead be 'what the fuck difference does it make bitch? Read the constitution.'

[Mullet Man 2,114]

Nobody should expend any effort to try and convince anybody that anything is "sporting." That's a bullshit unconstitutional rule that some pussies cooked up to restrict gun rights by getting some of the namby-pamby gun owners to agree that 'nobody really needs a military firearm' as some kind of "reasonable compromise."

 

Now, we have more and more gun people trying to comply with that load of crap because it's the path of least resistance, and that amounts to tacit acceptance of it. Well fuck that shit, and that's where the next battleground is going to be if (or when) they decide that the S12 is "not sporting." The counter-argument should not be 'well it kinda is' but instead be 'what the fuck difference does it make bitch? Read the constitution.'

 

 

 

Seriously tho, i agree.

[Saiga_rom 91]

Cali_Armz: Go with the Saiga .308, I highly recomend it! I have other .308's and my Saiga is my favorite. The AK platform outperforms other guns hands down. In my opinion.

 

thats a very good point man. AK's are unquestionably the most reliable. il have to see what the price ranges are. a saiga .308 with classic AK style wood furniture on it would be sexy

[Saiga_rom 91]

ive thought about it, and i think the best thing to do is for me to get both the saiga .308 and a carbine AR10 A2. i really like both of those rifles. The FAL is cool too, although i feel a stronger sense of desire to buy the AR10 and saiga .308

[beerasaurus 9]

Dead sexy. Though, it looks like that's the whole idea: aside from the magwell, it seems like the design is purely cosmetic and meant to win over AR fans based mostly on looks. And it's working.

 

Though, I suppose you could make a partial argument for platform familiarity, too.

 

Anyways, Ignition's got the right idea. We need someone to make lowers in-country.

[Mephis 82]

If you want an AR15 shotgun, there's better options that are readily available.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/06/safir-arms-t-14-410-ar-15-uppers-now-available/

 

They might not still be around.

[theorangeplanet 968]

There is a lot more to Saiga 12s than just being a shotgun with a detachable magazine... and that's all this ugly thing looks to be.

 

Well, that and it looks to be a standard gas operated shotgun cross dressing as a AR15... ugh...

[gremlinx 20]

It's not available in the US, will it ever be? Doubt it....

[topmaul 42]

bring it on

[Ignition 9]

The Safir Arms T-14 is only available in .410 though, where as this is 12g. Do I think i would replace my s-12, hell no.

 

My thoughts as a contender were that when you talk to "mr fudd" at the range, he might be more willing to go for a ar type shotty then an ak type shotty

[timy 1,185]

There is a lot more to Saiga 12s than just being a shotgun with a detachable magazine... and that's all this ugly thing looks to be.

 

Well, that and it looks to be a standard gas operated shotgun cross dressing as a AR15... ugh...

 

Dittto that. Of course I'm not an AR fan but I could guess those that are would like it.

[Doug Hartley 526]

There is a lot more to Saiga 12s than just being a shotgun with a detachable magazine... and that's all this ugly thing looks to be.

 

Well, that and it looks to be a standard gas operated shotgun cross dressing as a AR15... ugh...

 

Robert and I worked at the RAA booth at Shot Show and that is exactly what it looked like to me. We took one apart and looked kind of like an 1100 with a plastic AR-15 stuck on the outside. I understood that it had been approved for import, but that was before the shotgun study hoopla. If they have heartburn with a regular imported Saiga, I don't see how they can let this in but I guess it doesn't have to make sense because the Guberment is involved.

 

Doug