Makaveli913 22 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 i want wood too !!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oOghostriderOo 14 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 i want wood too !!!!!!! That's what she said...lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Mississippi Auto Arms has the Wood Stocks as default on their Vepr-12 Order page: http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/russian-vepr-12-gauge-shotgun-molot-preorder-2-p-3219.html Atlantic said in another thread they'd refund deposit or pre-pay on the preorder. You'd have to make sure of that for your order/circumstances. If that is possible, you could put in your order at Mississippi and get your wood stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGun 2 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Mississippi Auto Arms has the Wood Stocks as default on their Vepr-12 Order page: http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/russian-vepr-12-gauge-shotgun-molot-preorder-2-p-3219.html Atlantic said in another thread they'd refund deposit or pre-pay on the preorder. You'd have to make sure of that for your order/circumstances. If that is possible, you could put in your order at Mississippi and get your wood stock. But there is NO free extra mag. Yg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getboth 14 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Mississippi Auto Arms has the Wood Stocks as default on their Vepr-12 Order page: http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/russian-vepr-12-gauge-shotgun-molot-preorder-2-p-3219.html Atlantic said in another thread they'd refund deposit or pre-pay on the preorder. You'd have to make sure of that for your order/circumstances. If that is possible, you could put in your order at Mississippi and get your wood stock. Why is everyone assuming atlantic wont ship the stock customers want? Atlantic has the best customer service and will bend over backwards to satisfy their customers. By the way atlantic i want wood on both my veor12's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Not sure if you're referring to me, but you quoted me. I am not assuming anything. I don't care about the wood stocks. However, for those that do, it does say right on Atlantic's Vepr-12 Page "Domestic Black Polymer rear buttstock" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Here, see this post. http://forum.saiga-1...om/#entry804611 According to that, Atlantic says the wood stock is an option. "yes our guns will have the poly rear stock because we did not think a beautiful shotgun would look good with a wood stock that may vary in color and be used. We paid extra to have the guns upgraded so they would look normal . If you really want a wood stock we can do that but can not offer a choice of color and you must be aware that the wood stock sets may be used and blemished." Edited October 12, 2012 by ec4321 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
randyf 35 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Mississippi Auto Arms has the Wood Stocks as default on their Vepr-12 Order page: http://www.mississip...r-2-p-3219.html Atlantic said in another thread they'd refund deposit or pre-pay on the preorder. You'd have to make sure of that for your order/circumstances. If that is possible, you could put in your order at Mississippi and get your wood stock. Why is everyone assuming atlantic wont ship the stock customers want? Atlantic has the best customer service and will bend over backwards to satisfy their customers. By the way atlantic i want wood on both my veor12's. Because I asked them and they said no Edited October 12, 2012 by defequisimo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Because I asked them and they said no Well they said it was an option in another thread. See the post above yours, I linked it and quoted it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getboth 14 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Because I asked them and they said no Well they said it was an option in another thread. See the post above yours, I linked it and quoted it. Ill take my chances with wood. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alternety 7 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 I found their ordering a bit confusing. THey did say a buyer could choose, but I really did not see anywhere in the order process that seemed appropriate. I assumed (yeah, I know) they would ask us when delivery time came up like the magazines which will only be available for order when the guns ship. I was leaning toward the wood even if it is beat up. Stocks I can refinish. And the mass helps recoil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGM 217 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 The wood stocks are decent and look ok and vary in condition. Some are dinged or scratched and look better than others. Everyone needs to just calm down, I am sure Atlantic will try to accommodate everyone. After seeing both type of stocks it comes down to personal preference. Also keep in mind the logistics behind how big of a nightmare it is going to be for Atlantic to keep up with who wants what after the order is placed if people are just calling and emailing to change the order. Please everyone be patient everything will be sorted out and be fine. Remember the people that per ordered are in the 1 of 1,000 club, is not having a grade 2 laminate stock more important than the gun? I would say hell no I want the shotgun because I can always change the stock whenever and to whatever later. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 The wood stocks are decent and look ok and vary in condition. Some are dinged or scratched and look better than others. Everyone needs to just calm down, I am sure Atlantic will try to accommodate everyone. After seeing both type of stocks it comes down to personal preference. Also keep in mind the logistics behind how big of a nightmare it is going to be for Atlantic to keep up with who wants what after the order is placed if people are just calling and emailing to change the order. Please everyone be patient everything will be sorted out and be fine. Remember the people that per ordered are in the 1 of 1,000 club, is not having a grade 2 laminate stock more important than the gun? I would say hell no I want the shotgun because I can always change the stock whenever and to whatever later. My thoughts exactly. If I want the wood stock, I'll buy one later and throw it on. No reason to get butthurt over it. I'd take the gun anyday over the stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koljec 37 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 is not having a grade 2 laminate stock more important than the gun? I would say hell no I want the shotgun because I can always change the stock whenever and to whatever later. Of course the stock is not as important as the gun. But wooden RPK stocks are not the easiest to come by. Ironwood charges $185, and Russian surplus is going to run a minimum of $150 once overseas shipping is factored in. It hurts to know that a serviceable stock might be removed, and it will cost the buyer 15-20% of the value of shotgun price to replace it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 The wood stock in the original images is not an RPK stock. Looks to be more standard AKM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGM 217 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 you may be right about the value of the new laminate rpk stocks however these are not new and are grade 2 with imperfections and color variances. i am just saying cut Atlantic some slack all the info they shared was provided to them which they passed along. true captain hero and i need to look closely at the samples i have to see if they are a akm, rpk stock or whatever. i just know they are a grade 2 laminate ak type buttstock in varying condition and colors. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dec 8 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 I'll take the Poly stock and be happy with it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 What's with folks telling other folks what they should want and what should make them happy? BTW, Atlantic has already stated you can get a wood stock if you want - in writing. "If you really want a wood stock we can do that but can not offer a choice of color and you must be aware that the wood stock sets may be used and blemished." Word is bond, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koljec 37 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 The wood stock in the original images is not an RPK stock. Looks to be more standard AKM. You are right about the design of the stock, but, according to some others on these bords, where the stock meets the receiver is an RPK fit. If you want wood, these AK-cut RPK interface stocks might be kinda hard to replace; even if they are in bad condition, they might be a bit of a rarity. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mongol 0 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 What's with folks telling other folks what they should want and what should make them happy? BTW, Atlantic has already stated you can get a wood stock if you want - in writing. "If you really want a wood stock we can do that but can not offer a choice of color and you must be aware that the wood stock sets may be used and blemished." Word is bond, You have to understand Atlantic cut hero some slack on his preorder deposit efectivly removing the thorn from his paw and he now rushes to defend them at every turn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thor's Hammer 33 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Here, see this post. http://forum.saiga-1...om/#entry804611 According to that, Atlantic says the wood stock is an option. "yes our guns will have the poly rear stock because we did not think a beautiful shotgun would look good with a wood stock that may vary in color and be used. We paid extra to have the guns upgraded so they would look normal . If you really want a wood stock we can do that but can not offer a choice of color and you must be aware that the wood stock sets may be used and blemished." I'm going with that statement as the bottom line. The customer's choice will be honored. I was not particularly interested in swapping the OEM configuration stock on a 1/1000 shotgun with a Tapco in all it's un-original glory. But I decided to go with Atlantic anyway because the deposit was reasonable and they were the most well-established dealer to trust with my money on an unreleased firearm. I bought my first rifle from them. I bought my frist Saiga 12 from them. I now bought my first Vepr 12 from them. I would hope to see that they honor what they say and that I continue to be their customer. Time will tell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 The wood stock in the original images is not an RPK stock. Looks to be more standard AKM. You are right about the design of the stock, but, according to some others on these bords, where the stock meets the receiver is an RPK fit. If you want wood, these AK-cut RPK interface stocks might be kinda hard to replace; even if they are in bad condition, they might be a bit of a rarity. ak and rpk stocks are interchangeable Quote Link to post Share on other sites
obiwanbonjovi 337 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 The wood stock in the original images is not an RPK stock. Looks to be more standard AKM. You are right about the design of the stock, but, according to some others on these bords, where the stock meets the receiver is an RPK fit. If you want wood, these AK-cut RPK interface stocks might be kinda hard to replace; even if they are in bad condition, they might be a bit of a rarity. ak and rpk stocks are interchangeable no they are not, rpk receivers are 1.6mm thick and ak receivers are 1mm thick. the outside dimensions are the same, the thickness is towards the inside of receiver. to make an ak stock fit an rpk .6mm must be taken off each side and the bottom. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) The wood stock in the original images is not an RPK stock. Looks to be more standard AKM. You are right about the design of the stock, but, according to some others on these bords, where the stock meets the receiver is an RPK fit. If you want wood, these AK-cut RPK interface stocks might be kinda hard to replace; even if they are in bad condition, they might be a bit of a rarity. ak and rpk stocks are interchangeable no they are not, rpk receivers are 1.6mm thick and ak receivers are 1mm thick. the outside dimensions are the same, the thickness is towards the inside of receiver. to make an ak stock fit an rpk .6mm must be taken off each side and the bottom. yea, i know they will need to be fitted, i just mean that the way they attach is the same, most parts for aks need to be fitted anyway, though with the vepr12 it looks like it may have a slight angle to the receiver like a gun with an ak100 trunnion installed, i'm interested to see if they are cut at an angle and if it is the same as an rpk74m Edited October 12, 2012 by Russian Hammer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 I was simply going off the design aspect, and not the actual fit of the stock itself, as already pointed out, there are differences in that area. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Just emaild them and they said no on the stocks that came with them. I originally asked for the poly stock based on the report that the wood stocks were referred to as throw away's by Atlantic Firearms and that they may be in bad condition. I have since asked them to change my order to which they said they "could not " Well... I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of the situation and I am not at this point accusing Atlantic of anything. I will however say this. If these shotguns are being delivered to Atlantic with wood stocks and they can't simply leave the stock on the gun for me then I damned well better not see these same stocks come up for sale on their web site or anywhere else for that matter. Why not. You would still be getting the deal you agreed to. That's what determines fair. If you agreed from the begining to get a plastic stock, then whatever they do with the wood stock is none of your business. You still got exactly what you paid for and agreed to. This does not prevent Atlantic from offering you more options, but they have no moral obligation to go beyond the terms of the offer. The wood stock in the original images is not an RPK stock. Looks to be more standard AKM. You are right about the design of the stock, but, according to some others on these bords, where the stock meets the receiver is an RPK fit. If you want wood, these AK-cut RPK interface stocks might be kinda hard to replace; even if they are in bad condition, they might be a bit of a rarity. ak and rpk stocks are interchangeable no they are not, rpk receivers are 1.6mm thick and ak receivers are 1mm thick. the outside dimensions are the same, the thickness is towards the inside of receiver. to make an ak stock fit an rpk .6mm must be taken off each side and the bottom. yea, i know they will need to be fitted, i just mean that the way they attach is the same, most parts for aks need to be fitted anyway, though with the vepr12 it looks like it may have a slight angle to the receiver like a gun with an ak100 trunnion installed, i'm interested to see if they are cut at an angle and if it is the same as an rpk74m The importer specifically answered that these would be square cut, and were not offering any slant cut options. I take that to mean they should take standard stamped AK stocks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 anyone think Atlantic is doing it for compliance reasons? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 anyone think Atlantic is doing it for compliance reasons? Wouldn't MAA, Tac-47 and others also have to if it was a compliance issue? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 If it is that big a deal, you can get decent imported laminate stocks for around $16 You can probably put the tapco stock on ebay and get that much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Why not. You would still be getting the deal you agreed to. That's what determines fair. If you agreed from the begining to get a plastic stock, then whatever they do with the wood stock is none of your business. You still got exactly what you paid for and agreed to. This does not prevent Atlantic from offering you more options, but they have no moral obligation to go beyond the terms of the offer. I think some of the folks might get/be upset about the wood stocks because they were told they were junk and were better off being replaced with poly. If they were to learn, as there have been rumors now, that the wood stocks are in decent/good/excellent condition and then if they are stockpiled and sold for $150.... I think some folks may feel misled / cheated by that. I.E. talked out of a valuable/desirable wood stock through misleading information. For example, if my (non-atlantic) Vepr were to come with a total crap wood stock and I find out MAA and others have stock piles of 1st rate wood stocks for sale for $150 a piece from the people that took poly but they shipped me a crap wood stock selection so they could keep the firsts and profit, I will think that a bit unfair, even if within their prerogative. e.g "No you're not wrong walter, you're just an asshole" Edited October 12, 2012 by ec4321 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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