macbeau 902 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 My S308 weighs in at 7.8# as pictured below. I have owned .308's in an AR-10, FAL, GALIL S-308 and HK91. S-308 - the most economical, lightest and most utilitarian... AR-10 - the most accurate,.but most expensive. (Kinghts Ind). Also the most sensitive to dirt & fouling. Galil - the most fun and coolest and best resale, but mags are the most expensive and hardest to get (>$100 each). Pretty heavy too at about 11#. FAL - the heaviest (11.4#) and longest OAL with 21" BBL, but cheap mags (~$4 each). HK91 - the most painful to shoot with a collapsible / folding stock and hardest recoiling, but cheapest mags (<$3 each). Macbeau... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) Yeah the FAL is not light in it's historic configuration but I did get to hold an FAL made by DSA with an aluminum anodized trigger housing and it was actually surprisingly lighter in weight than I thought it would be. Best ways to save weight on an FAL is the standard profile barrel (instead of a heavy barrel), polymer handguard, grip and stock, sand cut bolt carrier, polymer magazines (Yes they exist, I have some for my FAL) and an anodized aluminum trigger housing. It all adds up. Edited December 16, 2013 by ShadowFire Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spacehog 2,218 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Yeah the FAL is not light in it's historic configuration but I did get to hold an FAL made by DSA with an aluminum anodized trigger housing and it was actually surprisingly lighter in weight than I thought it would be. Best ways to save weight on an FAL is the standard profile barrel (instead of a heavy barrel), polymer handguard, grip and stock, sand cut bolt carrier, polymer magazines (Yes they exist, I have some for my FAL) and an anodized aluminum trigger housing. It all adds up. I was looking at the DSA models. Atlantic has them for 1099 right now. States that they are 9.5 lbs without mag. What was your impression of the one you had in your hand? If my understanding is correct, the are US new manufactures and not assembled from parts kits? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Yeah the FAL is not light in it's historic configuration but I did get to hold an FAL made by DSA with an aluminum anodized trigger housing and it was actually surprisingly lighter in weight than I thought it would be. Best ways to save weight on an FAL is the standard profile barrel (instead of a heavy barrel), polymer handguard, grip and stock, sand cut bolt carrier, polymer magazines (Yes they exist, I have some for my FAL) and an anodized aluminum trigger housing. It all adds up. I was looking at the DSA models. Atlantic has them for 1099 right now. States that they are 9.5 lbs without mag. What was your impression of the one you had in your hand? If my understanding is correct, the are US new manufactures and not assembled from parts kits? The impression I had immediately when looking it over was that it was well made. Yes, as far as I know, the DSA rifles are made 100% new in the US with no parts kits used. They do also sell on the side foreign made FAL parts as well. They claim they bought a complete set of blueprints from Steyr as well as the rights to manufacture the SA-58 FAL. I also recommend for customization DSA's quick detach gas plug, it takes a relatively easy gas plug and makes it stupid easy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spacehog 2,218 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I will have to take a closer look at them. My interest has just been peaked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 My vote sticks with a s308. Lighest and cheapest. Its no track driver but will take game easily at 200 yards with irons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I can't tell you which one to buy, but I think the REPR is not a good buy. It is a fine rifle and works, but it is very heavy, and I think you could pick two rifles that you would be equally happy with for the cost. I do like the largely Ambi design, the FAL/ AR10 hybrid features, and general build quality. It would be the one to buy if it were $2300. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman1 1,753 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) Okay fellas......how about this Ruger 762, I just purchased it and my face is starting to hurt from the GIANT grin on it I put the magpul stock on it before leaving the store. Model Number: 5601 | Caliber: 308 Win / 7.62 NATO Stock: Black Synthetic, Collapsible Finish: Manganese Phosphate / Hardcoat Anodized Sights: Folding Iron Sights Height: 8.00" Barrel Length: 16.12" Overall Length: 34.75" - 38.00" Width: 2.50" Weight: 8.60 lbs. Twist: 1:10" RH Grooves: 6 Length of Pull: 11.50" - 14.75" Capacity: 20 Suggested Retail: $2195.00 Features: Ruger® patented chrome-plated, two-stage piston with multi-stage regulator provides a cleaner, cooler running, reliable firearm with superior operating endurance. The two-stage piston provides a smooth power delivery stroke to the bolt carrier. The four-position chrome-plated gas regulator can be adjusted for optimum reliability and superior operating endurance. The gas system may be closed completely for manual operation during training or when using a suppressor*. Folding backup iron sights include a windage adjustable rear sight and an elevation adjustable front sight. These sights provide a solid, reliable aiming system that can be folded out of the way to make room for optics, but can be instantly redeployed if needed. Six-position telescoping M4-style buttstock* is mounted on a Mil-Spec diameter tube. Precision-rifled, chrome-lined, cold hammer-forged Mil-Spec 41V45 chrome-moly-vanadium steel barrel ensures accuracy and longevity. Fluted barrel (for reduced weight and improved barrel cooling) features an SR-556®/Mini-14®-style flash suppressor* mounted with a 5/8"-24 thread. Round, smooth-sided Ruger® Lightweight Adaptable handguard with flattop receiver features a Mil-Spec 1913 Picatinny rail at 12:00 position that extends the full length of the handguard. Drilled and tapped for additional rails at the 3:00, 6:00 and 9:00 positions (two additional rail sections included), providing ample space for mounting sights, lights, lasers or other accessories. Hogue® Monogrip® pistol grip* adds comfort when carrying or shooting. Chrome-plated bolt and chrome-plated one-piece bolt carrier with oversized and radiused rear bearing surface. Also Includes: three 20-round magazines*; soft-sided case; three finger-grooved rail covers. Edited February 8, 2014 by AA re-cvrd 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remek 771 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Okay fellas......how about this Ruger 762, I just purchased it and my face is starting to hurt from the GIANT grin on it I put the magpul stock on it before leaving the store. Ruger 762 Rt side.jpg Ruger 762 Lft Side.jpg Model Number: 5601 | Caliber: 308 Win / 7.62 NATO Stock: Black Synthetic, Collapsible Finish: Manganese Phosphate / Hardcoat Anodized Sights: Folding Iron Sights Height: 8.00" Barrel Length: 16.12" Overall Length: 34.75" - 38.00" Width: 2.50" Weight: 8.60 lbs. Twist: 1:10" RH Grooves: 6 Length of Pull: 11.50" - 14.75" Capacity: 20 Suggested Retail: $2195.00 Features: Ruger® patented chrome-plated, two-stage piston with multi-stage regulator provides a cleaner, cooler running, reliable firearm with superior operating endurance. The two-stage piston provides a smooth power delivery stroke to the bolt carrier. The four-position chrome-plated gas regulator can be adjusted for optimum reliability and superior operating endurance. The gas system may be closed completely for manual operation during training or when using a suppressor*. Folding backup iron sights include a windage adjustable rear sight and an elevation adjustable front sight. These sights provide a solid, reliable aiming system that can be folded out of the way to make room for optics, but can be instantly redeployed if needed. Six-position telescoping M4-style buttstock* is mounted on a Mil-Spec diameter tube. Precision-rifled, chrome-lined, cold hammer-forged Mil-Spec 41V45 chrome-moly-vanadium steel barrel ensures accuracy and longevity. Fluted barrel (for reduced weight and improved barrel cooling) features an SR-556®/Mini-14®-style flash suppressor* mounted with a 5/8"-24 thread. Round, smooth-sided Ruger® Lightweight Adaptable handguard with flattop receiver features a Mil-Spec 1913 Picatinny rail at 12:00 position that extends the full length of the handguard. Drilled and tapped for additional rails at the 3:00, 6:00 and 9:00 positions (two additional rail sections included), providing ample space for mounting sights, lights, lasers or other accessories. Hogue® Monogrip® pistol grip* adds comfort when carrying or shooting. Chrome-plated bolt and chrome-plated one-piece bolt carrier with oversized and radiused rear bearing surface. Also Includes: three 20-round magazines*; soft-sided case; three finger-grooved rail covers. Holy crap! That's awesome! Congrats, AA! After reading the specs, I am drooling! Ruger is an awesome company, I am sure it's going to be amazing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inspector 12 37 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) I have two 7.62 X 51 auto loaders. One is my FN SCAR 17 that I picked up in March of 2013 as the nutso period was calming down. I have added a Geissele trigger, a Leupold 1.25X4 VX-R scope in an AD Delta mount, very pleased with how the gun shoots. I also got a good supply of FN mags at $35 each shipped as those who paid through the nose realized they had overbought and decided to thin their herds. The second is a CETME which if a Spanish made copy of the HK 91. When I bought the CETME it came with four 20 round mags and I bought ten more just to have. The SCAR is much more accurate than the CETME but both do an adequate job of sending ammo down range without hiccuping. I also have an Armalite AR 10T match rifle in .243 that I keep thinking I will pick up a .308 upper for but to date haven't got around to it. I am still pondering a Saiga rifle, but am leaning toward a 5.45 X 39 if I decide to take that leap. Edited February 9, 2014 by Inspector 12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) The Cetme auto .308 is actually a Spanish design (aided by post WW2 German gun designers). HK bought the design and expanded on it. Mine has almost no recoil and the muzzle-break will blow the ammo boxes of the bench next to me. Edited February 9, 2014 by Sim_Player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 M1A/M14 Semi with a synthetic stock. Great gun. Very accurate. Dirt tolerant. Parts easy to get. Upgradeable, but who needs to? Issued to US snipers/designated marksmen. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vance665 225 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I'm building A Mega MATEN, just got a matched set from Rainier yesterday. I don't have a full parts list yet but after researching 308 ARs for a few years it's what I decided on. If I wasn't going to build one I would have gotten an M&P 10 to start with. If money was no limit, It would be a toss up between the JPLRP-07, LWRC REPR, LMT MWS and the PWS. All three of those rifles are bad ass, but overkill for what I want. Larue OBR and Knights SR-25 are among the best but I think there are better options at that price point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dashowdy 141 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 vepr 308 hunter or a super vepr in 308 for accuracy, saiga for everything else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bunker83 22 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 FNAR tack driver out of the box! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M14_rifle Edited July 29, 2016 by patriot 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heartbreaker 1,085 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M14_rifle ....you do know this was a poll necro-bump right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spacehog 2,218 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 ^^^^Doesn't matter those M14s are pure sexy! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 ^^^^Doesn't matter those M14s are pure sexy! My point exactly. Apparently, my post upset one of our n00bs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heartbreaker 1,085 Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 ^^^^Doesn't matter those M14s are pure sexy! My point exactly. Apparently, my post upset one of our n00bs. If a year and a half counts as a noob. Also if I was upset, which I wasn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 ^^^^Doesn't matter those M14s are pure sexy!My point exactly. Apparently, my post upset one of our n00bs. If a year and a half counts as a noob. Also if I was upset, which I wasn't. It does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sjgusmc21 850 Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 The Cetme auto .308 is actually a Spanish design (aided by post WW2 German gun designers). HK bought the design and expanded on it. Mine has almost no recoil and the muzzle-break will blow the ammo boxes of the bench next to me. I have a PTR-91 carbine and love it. The sighting system was new to me, but absolutely amazing. Have wood and plastic (OEM) furniture for it. Just a joy to shoot and have a box of bran new mags that cost like $20 or so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 The Cetme auto .308 is actually a Spanish design (aided by post WW2 German gun designers). HK bought the design and expanded on it. Mine has almost no recoil and the muzzle-break will blow the ammo boxes of the bench next to me. I have a PTR-91 carbine and love it. The sighting system was new to me, but absolutely amazing. Have wood and plastic (OEM) furniture for it. Just a joy to shoot and have a box of bran new mags that cost like $20 or so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 PTR91s are pretty awesome, something great about hurling your brass almost to the 25yrd bullet trap when you shoot at the indoor range. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 Damn Spacehog, this post is still going. lol Well since we're posting pictures it seems. Here's the FAL. Also other .308s I have are in my gallery. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 My baby: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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