vepr12x 89 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 It was actually gainesville georgia not florida http://dailysignal.com/2014/09/29/florida-woman-arrested-possession-spaghettios/ Wow she lost a month of her life and almost took a plea deal to get out of jail!! Talk about being bullied into a false confession! Imagine if this happened to you? How would a month in jail affect you, your family, your job? This is nuts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
read_the_wall 614 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I hope she gets a lawyer to get her about a $1,000,000.00 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) She, at least, deserves all of the money that it took too feed her, guard her, and house her and emotional distress, job loss, and any other applicable expenses. False arrest. Period. It makes the system look very bad. The one thing I learned growing up... adults don't have everything under control and that scared the shit out of me! Let's just say that I have better understanding of God now and don't worry as much. Edited September 30, 2014 by Sim_Player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 "Jordan Richardson, a visiting legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, said police are within their rights to make an arrest when there is probable cause and that this case is no exception." Yeah well, the problem with that is the fact that if something looks like spaghetti sauce, smells like spaghetti sauce, is on a spoon which just happens to be the exact utensil that someone would use to eat spaghetti sauce, and the woman herself said it was spaghetti sauce, then where in the fuck is your probable cause then, genius? "Probable" means most likely. For all the above reasons it was most likely to be.....SPAGHETTI SAUCE!!! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 The arrest... Whatever. Her spending a month in jail is pretty disturbing. I would hate the month in jail and the loss of my job. But I'd forget all about it once I cashed the check for millions of dollars. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Dont cops have those little lab kits that tell them if and what type of drug it is? I guess not all departments issue them?!?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magsite20 1,664 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 While spaghetti o's are a crime against Italian cooking most department don’t enforce that law. Maybe they thought it was a gateway food that could lead to harder stuff in the future. Pretty damn stupid "police work". 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I guess that will teach the bitch. I hope they smacked her around some when they brought her in just to make an example. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pjj342 632 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) The fact is, very few people who are charged with a crime will be judged by their peers. Most are threatened with trumped up charges and maximum penalties, just so they plead guilty. Being that most people who are caught in the system are poor, they will take the lesser charge instead of risking their freedom on some dipshit public defender. Ones who can not post bail will often plead guilty just so they dont have to sit in jail (from 6months to years), and wait for a fair trial. Our system is the definition of the word COERCION Most americans are clueless about their rights, especially regarding arrest and confinement. Lying to them during interrogation and misrepresenting facts regarding how the system works, makes for more charges filed and more fine money collected. Edited September 30, 2014 by Boomsick42 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magsite20 1,664 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 one way of getting bad cops off the street. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Interesting the bitch about constitutional rights and courts of law... I forget where I saw this, now... maybe there was another post recently about it... Google the GOLD FRINGE on an american flag... and what it ACTUALLY MEANS!!! Its not just decoration... it MEANS something very specific... If you are in a courtroom with a GOLD FRINGED american flag... you are no longer being tried under constitutional law... but instead... have had your constitutional rights denied, and are now being tried under MARITIME LAW... which has a completely different level of fucking you!!! Google it... ENJOY! Yeah... pretty fucked up, isnt it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Indy has it 100% correct. How come I could not find, nor click on the "Like" spot with his post? Anyhow, I guess I am clicking on it now. Thank you Indy. We need to understand that there are things we know nothing about that can most definitely hurt you. The gold fringed Admiralty Law flag is just an example. it is not an American Flag. An example would be a German Iron Cross Flag vs a Nazi swastika flag. HB of CJ (old coot) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Interesting the bitch about constitutional rights and courts of law... I forget where I saw this, now... maybe there was another post recently about it... Google the GOLD FRINGE on an american flag... and what it ACTUALLY MEANS!!! Its not just decoration... it MEANS something very specific... If you are in a courtroom with a GOLD FRINGED american flag... you are no longer being tried under constitutional law... but instead... have had your constitutional rights denied, and are now being tried under MARITIME LAW... which has a completely different level of fucking you!!! Google it... ENJOY! Yeah... pretty fucked up, isnt it? I've read some place that our birth certificates are actually inventory records, and the crown of England "owns" our bodies or some such crap. There's also that thing about legal records always having your name in all CAPS and whatever that is supposed to mean. Evil groups of people can make up whatever rules they want to, that doesn't mean they are valid or we have to abide by them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I would venture a guess we are missing a good deal of this story Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vepr12x 89 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Interesting the bitch about constitutional rights and courts of law... I forget where I saw this, now... maybe there was another post recently about it... Google the GOLD FRINGE on an american flag... and what it ACTUALLY MEANS!!! Its not just decoration... it MEANS something very specific... If you are in a courtroom with a GOLD FRINGED american flag... you are no longer being tried under constitutional law... but instead... have had your constitutional rights denied, and are now being tried under MARITIME LAW... which has a completely different level of fucking you!!! Google it... ENJOY! Yeah... pretty fucked up, isnt it? I wrote about it in the " Trooper ambush suspect making manhunt a 'game'" thread recently. It is true, last time I was in a court house I made it a point to check if the flag had the yellow fringe.http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm Your name will appear as all caps on court documents, it signifies you being in a contract. You are a corporation, your name in all caps is the name of the corporation that is in a contract with the state. Did you know that a marriage license is a contract between you, your spouse and the state? Basically by getting a state issued marriage license you agree to allow the state to be involved in your marital business. It also allows them control over your children, this is what they mean when they say "your kids dont belong to you, they belong to the state". You have more control over your own childrens lives if there is no marriage license issued. Look this up too, its some scary sh*t. http://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2011/12/16/do-you-own-your-children/ Like it or not these are the types of law that police help to enforce. So when the state says you dont have right to your children for whatever reason, who comes to enforce it? Some cops get into the job to help people and their community but they need to start realizing that they are also enforcing these disgusting codes and statues. Edited October 1, 2014 by vepr12x Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Thats where I saw it... Thank you Vepr12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D.C.MORRISON 494 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Oldie but almost timeless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 WARNING Indy, HB, Spartacus, Vepr: You guys are getting firmly into Sovereign Citizen territory with the Admiralty court/gold fringed flag/contractual court documents bullshit. It is simply not true. This is way beyond the typical tin-foil conspiracy stuff and flying head-first into the tier-one domestic terrorism category. Please be extremely discerning with what you read on the internet, this particular brand of anti government rhetoric is extremely dangerous to be associated with and is not based in reality at all. It is an erroneous, dangerous, and fundamentally flawed ideology that has been propagating itself throughout prison systems, militias, and the internet over the past ten years. Please do some research on it from actual non-extremist sources, and see for yourself. I know you won't like being told this, but I actually care about what happens to you guys and I don't want to see you fall for some cult-like BS just because we all hate the guv and surround ourselves with like minded people. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I wonder what they would have booked her for if the spoon had alfredo sauce on it instead? What about peanut butter? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 WARNING Indy, HB, Spartacus, Vepr: You guys are getting firmly into Sovereign Citizen territory with the Admiralty court/gold fringed flag/contractual court documents bullshit. It is simply not true. This is way beyond the typical tin-foil conspiracy stuff and flying head-first into the tier-one domestic terrorism category. Please be extremely discerning with what you read on the internet, this particular brand of anti government rhetoric is extremely dangerous to be associated with and is not based in reality at all. It is an erroneous, dangerous, and fundamentally flawed ideology that has been propagating itself throughout prison systems, militias, and the internet over the past ten years. Please do some research on it from actual non-extremist sources, and see for yourself. I know you won't like being told this, but I actually care about what happens to you guys and I don't want to see you fall for some cult-like BS just because we all hate the guv and surround ourselves with like minded people. I'm not really into that stuff in that sense. As I said, I just read about it. I don't think just reading about it or commenting on it qualifies me as some kind of sovereign citizen radical, but thanks for the warning. Most of that stuff is probably BS, it makes no difference to me either way though. Flags with fringe and upper case letters don't change how I look at life or my God given and Constitutional Rights at all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman1 1,753 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Well it is apparent that the degree of ignorance which exists in our public schools is really beginning to show itself in every aspect of our society. This situation is proof positive that we all starve to death in short order, as they will now begin to water the crops with Gatorade fuckingmoronicidiots Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D.C.MORRISON 494 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 DistalRadius next you will try to tell me that the UCC is not what we actually live under. Ask any banker. The moment your birth certificate and beast number are issued. You become a commodity in the international market place. The common law court people do have it right. However, I can tell that you know the "system" will do whatever it takes to protect itself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vepr12x 89 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) WARNING Indy, HB, Spartacus, Vepr: You guys are getting firmly into Sovereign Citizen territory with the Admiralty court/gold fringed flag/contractual court documents bullshit. It is simply not true. This is way beyond the typical tin-foil conspiracy stuff and flying head-first into the tier-one domestic terrorism category. Please be extremely discerning with what you read on the internet, this particular brand of anti government rhetoric is extremely dangerous to be associated with and is not based in reality at all. It is an erroneous, dangerous, and fundamentally flawed ideology that has been propagating itself throughout prison systems, militias, and the internet over the past ten years. Please do some research on it from actual non-extremist sources, and see for yourself. I know you won't like being told this, but I actually care about what happens to you guys and I don't want to see you fall for some cult-like BS just because we all hate the guv and surround ourselves with like minded people. I appreciate your concern. I am in no way a terrorist or involve myself with terrorists.I like to study many different subjects including science, history and law. If you actually read the article on marriage licenses it shows documented case law, nobodies making it up. You can research it yourself and see that it is indeed recorded in our legal system. If we cant talk about these things with out fear of being labled a "tier one terrorist" than how does that make us any different than communist china? If we just accept anything with out question, wheres the limit? If the gov says, new law all women and children will be prostituted, youre just going to roll over and keep quiet? Edited October 2, 2014 by vepr12x 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 DistalRadius next you will try to tell me that the UCC is not what we actually live under. Ask any banker. The moment your birth certificate and beast number are issued. You become a commodity in the international market place. The common law court people do have it right. However, I can tell that you know the "system" will do whatever it takes to protect itself. You lost me at "beast number". All I'm saying is you guys should do a little research for yourself, I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. Yes, the powers that be suck and want to control us and take everything we have, absolutely true. But this stuff you're bringing up is borderline delusional, and since the FBI does in fact consider Sovereign Citizens to be "extremists compromising a domestic terrorist movement", I felt the need to speak up before someone gets inadvertently caught up in a dangerous ideology by believing a blatantly false doctrine of imaginary legal proceedings. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vepr12x 89 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 In regards to the marriage license being a three party contract between you, your spouse and the state. And that by obtaining a marriage license you enter a contract giving the state ultimate control over your children. Appellate Court of Illinois, NO. 5-97-0108:“Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties-the husband, the wife and the state.“ Van Koten v. Van Koten. 154 N.E. 146. Continued…“…When two people decide to get married, they are required to first procure a license from the State. If they have children of this marriage, they are required by the State to submit their children to certain things, such as school attendance and vaccinations. Furthermore, if at some time in the future the couple decides the marriage is not working, they must petition the State for a divorce. Marriage is a three-party contract between the man, the woman, and the State“Linneman v. Linneman, 1 Ill. App. 2d 48, 50, 116 N.E.2d 182, 183 (1953), citing Van Koten v. Van Koten, 323 Ill. 323, 326, 154 N.E. 146 (1926).“The State represents the public interest in the institution of marriage.“Linneman, 1 Ill. App. 2d at 50, 116 N.E.2d at 183 (1953).Continued…“This public interest is what allows the State to intervene in certain situations to protect the interests of members of the family. The State is like a silent partner in the family who is not active in the everyday running of the family but becomes active and exercises its power and authority only when necessary to protect some important interest of family life. Taking all of this into consideration, the question no longer is whether the State has an interest or place in disputes such as the one at bar, but it becomes a question of timing and necessity.“Also, this case law states…“The state has a wide range of power for limiting parental freedom and authority in things affecting the child’s welfare… In fact, the entire familial relationship involves the State.”Prince, 321 U.S. at 167, 64 S.Ct. at 442, 88 L.Ed. 645.(SOURCE: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/il-court-of-appeals/1486817.html)≈ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vepr12x 89 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 MEADOWS v. MEADOWS, (Aug 2008), in the “Court of Civil Appeals of Alabama”?“The primary control and custody of infants is with the government.”Tillman V. Roberts. 108 So. 62“There is no wider area for the exercise of judicial discretion than that of providing for and protecting the best interests of children.“Ex parte Handley, 460 So.2d 167 (Ala.1984).“The court stands in the position of parens patria[e] of children.“Ayers v. Kelley, 284 Ala. 321, 224 So.2d 673 (1969)․“…we held that the best interest of the child took precedence over the parent’s right to travel.“Everett, 660 So.2d at 601-02.“In 1984, the Court of Appeals of Idaho ruled that the State had a ‘compelling governmental interest’ that justified restricting the residence of the custodial parent, holding that the best interests of a child had priority over the parent’s right to travel.“Ziegler v. Ziegler, 107 Idaho 527, 691 P.2d 773 (Idaho App.1985) (citing Carlson v. Carlson, 8 Kan.App.2d 564, 661 P.2d 833 (1983)).**Note: The word “interest”, when it is used by the courts on behalf of “the state”, should be considered here to be defined in layman’s terms as the monetary interest in what the State considers one of its trade-able commodities. For to a for-profit government, people are considered legal “persons”, and their value is not in flesh and blood, but in labor and tax. Persons are the original form of legal tender. -Clint-Continued…“Parens patriae,” literally “parent of the country,” refers traditionally to role of state as sovereign and guardian of persons under legal disability.”Ex parte Bayliss, 550 So.2d 986, 988 n. 1 (Ala.1989) (quoting Black’s Law Dictionary 1003 (5th ed.1979)).“Pursuant to the parens patriae doctrine, ‘the primary control and custody of infants is with the government, to be delegated, as of course, to their natural guardians and protectors, so long as such guardians are suitable persons to exercise it.’ ”Ex parte Wright, 225 Ala. 220, 222, 142 So. 672, 674 (1932). See also Fletcher v. Preston, 226 Ala. 665, 148 So. 137 (1933); and Striplin v. Ware, 36 Ala. 87 (1860).“In other words, the state is the father and mother of the child and the natural parents are not entitled to custody, except upon the state’s beneficent recognition that natural parents presumably will be the best of its citizens to delegate its custodial powers… ‘The law devolves the custody of infant children upon their parents, not so much upon the ground of natural right in the latter, as because the interests of the children, and the good of the public, will, as a general rule, be thereby promoted.’ “Chandler v. Whatley, 238 Ala. 206, 208, 189 So. 751, 753 (1939) (quoting Striplin v. Ware, 36 Ala. at 89) (‘ ’).(SOURCE: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/al-court-of-civil-appeals/1325717.html) Here you go, with verifiable sources. Legal documents that are recognized by the court. The same material your lawyer would refrence and cite in the court of law. Whos making stuff up?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 The problem is that we have 2 political Parties and BOTH have treated the Judiciary as 'political spoils' and packed the Courts with ideologues instead of impartial Jurists. The political Judiciary is the death knell of freedom and the rule of law. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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