Are You Sitting Down?

[railman1 0]

Hey all..I bought my Saiga rifle first. (.223) Tried to order a 12 and the local dealer I like to deal with couldnt find one. I just left another dealer from down the street..He finally got on the Saiga bandwagon..and what an expensive wagon! The cheapest Saiga he had was a .223..$529.... With the bolt on (non-converted) AR type stock..and regular handguard?..700. Saiga 12 guage?..Sure..non converted $929..bolt on Tapco stock..$1029...These are the times that try mens souls.

[BUFF_dragon 3]

HOLY SHIT, I need to move to WV.... or at least take the short trip to there...... WOW

 

and I thought asking 800 each for my NIB was crazy right now while supplies are still comin in.... GEEZE

[russianblood 0]

That's just price gouging / sucker shopping. I've seen several places advertising Saiga 12s for under $600. And $70 will get you the Tapco T6 stock for non-converted receivers.

[railman1 0]

That's just price gouging / sucker shopping. I've seen several places advertising Saiga 12s for under $600. And $70 will get you the Tapco T6 stock for non-converted receivers.

This guy thinks he is the only person around who actually looks online...The one he wanted 1000 for looked like the one on the left hand side in your photo..I wanted a 12 badly..but I am NOT gonna pay 600 for the privilege of buying a 400 dollar gun. (I can buy a M500 for each room in the house for that price)

[Bounce12 407]

That's just price gouging / sucker shopping. I've seen several places advertising Saiga 12s for under $600. And $70 will get you the Tapco T6 stock for non-converted receivers.

This guy thinks he is the only person around who actually looks online...The one he wanted 1000 for looked like the one on the left hand side in your photo..I wanted a 12 badly..but I am NOT gonna pay 600 for the privilege of buying a 400 dollar gun. (I can buy a M500 for each room in the house for that price)

 

 

Look, we are in a DEFLATIONARY cycle right now. The price of EVERYTHING is going down (home prices, fuel prices, commodity prices, etc).

 

Anyone raising prices and claiming INFLATION is either an idiot or gouging and hoping for a sucker.

 

I'd bet on option #2.

 

Now, having said that, once the economy rebounds, we'll enter a serious inflationary cycle as all the bailout money starts to circulate, BUT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET.

[kresk 10,063]

Look, we are in a DEFLATIONARY cycle right now. The price of EVERYTHING is going down (home prices, fuel prices, commodity prices,

The price of staple items is deflationary and not directly inflluenced by political policies, whereas firearms prices are clearly influenced by the new administration's hostile intents in that regard. Nevertheless I agree with you the seller is trolling for suckers/idiots.

[IndyArms 10,186]

I just bought a S12 in a local shop for $549.00 not a month ago.

 

( at least I think it was ... I know it was within 20 or 30 bucks of that price anyways... LOL )

 

And they had more at the same price... no gouging... just a high average. and FAIR.

 

 

Yes... I just went and looked at the "hello from NY thread" they were $549.00 Cause one of the other local fellows bought the other one they had.

 

[jeffesonm 0]

Thanks to this thread my first Saiga 12 on the way to my FFL dealer... $530 + $20 shipping. Can't wait!

[Etek 32]

I got mine a year and a half ago and paid a premium price (Over $600.00 with tax) for a 2001 22" Saiga 12. This was the only new SAIGA 12 in the state at the time by the way.

IMHO if you can get one for $600 today you are getting a good deal.

 

Prices ARE artificially inflated today but not because Osama, er Obama but because of folks freaking out. Osama has other 'stuff' to deal with before he gets to Saigas like our porked economy.

 

Do look for an 'Assault Weapon' Ban though but I doubt the Socialists arriving on 20 Jan. know what a Saiga is.

[Bounce12 407]

Look, we are in a DEFLATIONARY cycle right now. The price of EVERYTHING is going down (home prices, fuel prices, commodity prices,

The price of staple items is deflationary and not directly inflluenced by political policies, whereas firearms prices are clearly influenced by the new administration's hostile intents in that regard. Nevertheless I agree with you the seller is trolling for suckers/idiots.

 

 

I don't disagree with you about the Obama panic.

 

It's clearly driving demand through the roof.

[Bounce12 407]

I got mine a year and a half ago and paid a premium price (Over $600.00 with tax) for a 2001 22" Saiga 12. This was the only new SAIGA 12 in the state at the time by the way.

IMHO if you can get one for $600 today you are getting a good deal.

 

Prices ARE artificially inflated today but not because Osama, er Obama but because of folks freaking out. Osama has other 'stuff' to deal with before he gets to Saigas like our porked economy.

 

Do look for an 'Assault Weapon' Ban though but I doubt the Socialists arriving on 20 Jan. know what a Saiga is.

 

 

Etec, I agree with you that Obama will NOT sign an executive order banning assault weapons the day he is inaugurated.

 

However, he doesn't have to write the legislation himself. There are all kinds of brain-dead leftist minions in the House and Senate that would me more than willing to do it. All Obama has to do is agree to sign whatever they pass. He has already done that.

 

I think they will wait until THE LEGISLATION WILL DO THEM THE MOST GOOD. Their base is already rallied - full steam ahead.

 

They don't need to do it right now. They will probably wait for a slow news day or for someone to go postal or for some other event where the anti-assault weapons ban will do them the most political good.

 

They will wait until something happens. Then, they will pass the legislation and the brain-dead left will say, "Aren't we lucky to have such caring politicians taking care of us."

 

Idiots!

 

Signing that legislation on Jan 20th won't do THEM the most good.

[duece212 0]

I just put in an order for a saiga 12 for 599 and an arsenal SGL10 for 799. I throw up a little when I see the prices people paid 2 months ago. I know my luck though, If I didn't buy now prices would go up, now that I did buy I'm sure prices will come down shortly.

[Bounce12 407]

Please believe me duece...

 

Several years from now when we're in the midst of the coming hyperinflation, what you paid will seem like chicken-feed.

 

A bird in hand....

[jrance@iacwds.com 716]

Prices are high on guns, ammo & gold. However, Bounce12 is correct in that I feel better having something of intrinsic value rather than paper fiat currency with nothing to back it up except the full faith of a government that has shredded our Constitution & Rights. So much for full faith.

 

1911

[Bounce12 407]

Prices are high on guns, ammo & gold. However, Bounce12 is correct in that I feel better having something of intrinsic value rather than paper fiat currency with nothing to back it up except the full faith of a government that has shredded our Constitution & Rights. So much for full faith.

 

1911

 

 

I've gotta say, 1911, that I see junk silver, high cap mags, semi-autos and the like as being incredibly good buys even at these levels.

 

Yes, the prices have gone up due to panic buying. They could drop some over the next few months as supply catches back up.

 

However, as time goes on, anyone who buys RIGHT NOW, even at these prices, will be damn glad they did.

 

The ONLY WAY government can BEGIN to even TRY to make good on all these bailouts and social welfare packages is to PRINT MONEY. They're going to print so damn much of it that its highest and best use will be toilet paper.

 

That's why the depression era financial plan of stuffing money in your mattress WILL NOT WORK.

 

Trading extra cash for high cap mags and ammo (even at these prices) is a very smart thing to do over the long haul.

[HarvKY 72]

Everyone cross your fingers that our terrible economic downturn, etc. creates no no shooting rampages, hostage situations, etc. - especially with a Saiga, AK, or "assault type" weapon in play.

 

This will give the lib's an opening to try and initiate legislation.

 

We really need to fear the wacko underlings like Biden & Emmanual who feel emboldened by having Obama out front

 

HarvKY

[jrance@iacwds.com 716]

Everyone cross your fingers that our terrible economic downturn, etc. creates no no shooting rampages, hostage situations, etc. - especially with a Saiga, AK, or "assault type" weapon in play.

 

This will give the lib's an opening to try and initiate legislation.

 

We really need to fear the wacko underlings like Biden & Emmanual who feel emboldened by having Obama out front

 

HarvKY

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

The above article has been discussed numerous times. It has been stated that they are here to take care of civil unrest in the event of an unexpected economic collapse, etc. Trust me, the coming collapse is fully expected along with the "civil unrest". IMO it is a foregone conclusion that there will be "shooting rampages, hostage situations, etc" I sincerely doubt that another law will dissuade what is to come. Just MHO and YMMV.

 

1911

[Bounce12 407]

Everyone cross your fingers that our terrible economic downturn, etc. creates no no shooting rampages, hostage situations, etc. - especially with a Saiga, AK, or "assault type" weapon in play.

 

This will give the lib's an opening to try and initiate legislation.

 

We really need to fear the wacko underlings like Biden & Emmanual who feel emboldened by having Obama out front

 

HarvKY

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

The above article has been discussed numerous times. It has been stated that they are here to take care of civil unrest in the event of an unexpected economic collapse, etc. Trust me, the coming collapse is fully expected along with the "civil unrest". IMO it is a foregone conclusion that there will be "shooting rampages, hostage situations, etc" I sincerely doubt that another law will dissuade what is to come. Just MHO and YMMV.

 

1911

 

 

I agree. I don't see us getting into another Civil War (like the last one we had), but I do see sporadic riots and other civil unrest as being virtually guaranteed.

 

The really FUCKING SAD thing is, 52% of this country thinks their problems are OVER. They THINK Obama will cure their pain.

 

Their pain hasn't begun.

[DrWho 10]

imo: obama has nothing to do with current and near future events in this country.

i voted for him. i also have a ccw & am getting pretty well armed.

am i afraid he/they will take away my rights, no..

 

am i afraid i will loose my job next week, yes... do i blame Bush, hell yes..

am i worried i may have to sell my home in the next 6 months, if i loose my job, yes..

 

do i have family MC, who have served 4 tours in Iraq over a bs reason, yes.

Afghanistan is where we should have all our troupes.

 

Am i very pissed off at the Patriot Act

hell yes, probably the only thing i could endorse civil unrest over...

 

are there zombies for me to shoot today, no..

will there be, maybe..

 

plan on what you are doing today to protect you and yours.

don't worry about tomorrow. plan for today... you may drop over from a heart attack before you ever have to protect your street from roving bands of looters...

 

btw, this is just a rant, i think the greatest thing we have as a nation, is the ability to have different opinions.

respecting those who are differnt from your self..

 

peace out...

Edited December 31, 2008 by DrWho

[Bounce12 407]

DrWho, are you aware that Obama SUED CITI (on behalf of ACORN) to FORCE THEM to make loans to people who could not show they could repay the loans?

 

He has A WHOLE LOT TO DO with our current situation. I am not saying he's solely to blame, but his fingerprints are ALL OVER sub-prime. He was part of legally FORCING it to happen.

 

He is solely responsible for the 50% increase in gun prices and the 30%+ rise in sales.

 

He has no plan for our current financial mess. He has no reasonable plan for anything.

 

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN HOPE.

 

"Hope" is for suckers who have no sense of personal power or faith in their ability to act in their own self-interests.

 

There is NO good reason to vote for that moron. He's in WAY over his head.

 

Things will get A SHIT LOAD worse before they start to get better.

 

If you are living in the NOW and not preparing for what's coming, you're digging yourself a hole filled with pain.

 

Good luck with that.

[cliffevans 2]

Gilbert guns and gun broker has them regularly in stock for under 600..

[duece212 0]

Has Bush failed us in some aspects, yes. Is Bush and our government responsible for all that currently ails our country...no. Joe citizen who has bought too much house on stupid terms, put too much on credit, etc has helped put us in our current situation. Our government and its people are to blame.

 

Obama himself is not scary. Obama isn't the big picture, Pelosi/Reid/Obama now that is scary as a combo. Will we lose rights, most likely. Will government be able to quickly fix our current problems...no way, doesn't matter what party is in office. Obama has promised too much "change" that I don't believe he will be able to deliver on, unfortunately "gun control" is one that I think he won't have a problem attaining before people get a chance to change our elected officials again.

 

/rant from the new guy that isn't even sure it should be in this thread

[sourceofuncertainty 0]

He is solely responsible for the 50% increase in gun prices and the 30%+ rise in sales.

 

Sorry, I gotta disagree with you on that one. The only people to blame for the rise in prices are the buyers and sellers. Obama isn't even president yet and the Internet rumors about "the coming ban" or whatever are as of right now just that - rumors. I have my share of issues with Obama but you can't blame him for sellers gouging and buyers making panic purchases. If there actually were an impending ban about to go on the books then you'd be right. But that's not the case as of December 2008 and I'd even be willing to bet that a year from now it still won't be the case. There are too many bigger fish to fry for -any- incoming administration to waste political capital on a ban or severe restrictions.

 

Fear and greed drive most markets, and this is no exception.

[Paulry 50]

What the fudge?

 

Were none of you around when Clinton took power? Are all of you kidding yourselves?

 

The prices on All Saiga firearms will skyrocket! $500 will soon be the normal price. The national supply of any AK is nil.

 

The ban IS coming and it WILL include a bullet serial number law. We have less than 3 to 6 months.

 

You forget how badly they want this, it's been years that they wanted this level of national power.

 

The AW ban WILL include the provision that they can not be transferred!

 

The serial number bullet law WILL include the total ban and surrender of non serial numbered bullets and ammo.

 

Put this on your calendar, mark my words that you heard it from me on the last day of 2008.

 

If I'm wrong, you can shoot at me on the last day of 2009

 

Now is not the time for doubt!

 

Happy New Years!

[bronxnative 2]

i think its people trying to take advantage of the incoming administration. i went to the gun show in savannah ,ga a couple of weekends ago and all the prices of guns and mags were at msrp or higher. no good deals

[dtromblee 0]

My friends, I believe there is a lot of "panic" buying happening right now, and the sellers are taking advantage of the situation. I however believe as well that none could be the wiser than to stock up and arm yourself as much as your finances will allow for. Fluid power is correct. The only way the government can get the level of control that they desire is to have very strict bands and accountability laws. The time is coming. The question is not if it will or not. We should be worried about when it will happen, because I feel they will persue this agenda soon.

 

DT

Edited January 22, 2009 by DTrom

[John_pro2a 3]

i blame Bush

Bush was bad, so you voted for someone worse. Great logic

 

• No experience.
  
• History of corruption.
  
• Anti-gunner.
  
• Admitted communist/socialist.
  
• Helped cause the economic meltdown.
  
• Supports the same sort of bailouts that haven't fixed the economic meltdown.
  
• Supports the wire-tap bill, just like Bush.
  
• Voted for the patriot act, just like Bush.
  
• Avoided making a vote on the Iraq war, consistant with all the other things he avoided voting on (because voting on stuff requires potentially taking flak).
  
• Et cetera.
  

 

That smell in the air is simply more of the same, and it's getting stronger.

[Twinsen 86]

imo: obama has nothing to do with current and near future events in this country.

i voted for him. i also have a ccw & am getting pretty well armed.

am i afraid he/they will take away my rights, no..

 

am i afraid i will loose my job next week, yes... do i blame Bush, hell yes..

am i worried i may have to sell my home in the next 6 months, if i loose my job, yes..

 

do i have family MC, who have served 4 tours in Iraq over a bs reason, yes.

Afghanistan is where we should have all our troupes.

 

Am i very pissed off at the Patriot Act

hell yes, probably the only thing i could endorse civil unrest over...

 

are there zombies for me to shoot today, no..

will there be, maybe..

 

plan on what you are doing today to protect you and yours.

don't worry about tomorrow. plan for today... you may drop over from a heart attack before you ever have to protect your street from roving bands of looters...

 

btw, this is just a rant, i think the greatest thing we have as a nation, is the ability to have different opinions.

respecting those who are differnt from your self..

 

peace out...

 

I've never heard Obama say a single thing that I agreed with. Every. Single. Word. has been ridiculous and backassward. His strategy is straight from the failures of North Korea, Vietnam, China, and the USSR. He's a moron. Nothing he does will be good. Nothing he has said he will do is good. Socialism is an epic fail. Communism is an epic fail. I hope Obama chokes on pretzel before he can ruin anything.

 

And how is you losing your job AFTER Bush leaves office Bush's fault? I assume you mean that something that the Democrat President and Democrat Congress is going to do is Bush's fault?

[Fallschirmjager 0]

My friends, I believe there is a lot of "panic" buying happening right now, and the sellers are taking advantage of the situation. I however believe as well that none could be the wiser than to stock up and arm yourself as much as your finances will allow for. Fluid power is correct. The only way the government can get the level of control that they desire is to have very strict bands and accountability laws. The time is coming. The question is not if it will or not. We should be worried about when it will happen, because I feel they will persue this agenda soon.

 

DT

 

DTrom is spot on. A lot of "panic" buying is a result of upcoming legislation against the 2nd Amendment (the legislation is against the 2nd Amendment because that legislation intends to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms). But the bulk of the panic buyers are purchasing their first military style battle rifle, or maybe a second one. I know hunters who have purchased ARs and the like just because of the threat of legislative action. The same "panic" buying in ammo is to build a supply of ammo before someone taxes the crap out of it. Panic buying is also taking place with long time military rifle owners so as to 'top off' their collections and supplies. A bird in the hand is the rule of the day. I have watched the market in firearms and ammo for a long time and I don't see a price drop coming anytime soon. In fact the more likely occurrence is the average price today for a rifle or ammo may stabilize and that price become the "norm" and no decline in pricing is on the horizon. I really hope I'm wrong, but unfortunately I think I'm correct in my analysis. I am not even calculating in the value of the dollar declining any further. If that happens, the price today of anything imported, including ammo, will look like a bargain in the not to distant future. One aspect of the up-arming going on now is that a lot, myself included, are looking far into the future to what impact a tax on ammo, etc. would have say five or ten years down the road. I want to be able to have the needed implements to pass on to my kids so they could protect themselves. More people who have kicked around firearms for decades approach it on a generational basis in much the same way the our grandfathers did in providing farmland to their heirs as a store of value or as a method of feeding their families. In the not too distant future, purchasing a box of ammo may not only cost ten times what it does now, but in all likelihood that box of ammo may have a form similar to the 4473 for a firearm that traces how much you bought and when. I remember when I bought a box of 9mm, or .22 lr the dealer had to enter the sale of that ammo into a bound book with my name, ammo type, address, etc. That was done up until the mid-80s or so when the book keeping was finally dropped. And if you purchased over a certain amount of ammo, the dealer was to fill a form to the government. Talk to some older shooters in their 50s or 60s and you will find verification of this practice. It will happen again, but far worse since everything is computerized.

[btr 15]

DrWho, you voted for person for president who:

 

1. Wants all handguns banned

2. Wants all semi-automatic guns banned

3. Wants a federal ban on concealed carry

4. Thinks DC's total ban on anyone using a gun for self defense under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES is totally constitiutional

 

What are you doing on on this board?!?! Did you vote for him because you think higher taxes on income and the stock market and income redistribution will be GOOD for the economy????