storm1 2 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 anything new to add to this thread on doing this...im about commit and do it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm1 2 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 i just cut mine no threads dam it, whats the consensus on threading the barrel vs changing the fsb all together with a more authentic fsb and brake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjshive22 0 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Hey guys this is my first post. Not sure if this is still up since last post was 2 years ago. My barrel was threaded with all the characteristics you spoke of. I ordered a 14x1-24x1.5 adapter so I could but my k74 style break on from KVAR. The adapter will not fit though. It starts to go on but gets tight very quickly. I think I will still have to thread it but cut a little deeper. Is this what you all would recommend? Thanks for any help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjshive22 0 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Hey guys this is my first post. Not sure if this is still up since last post was 2 years ago. My barrel was threaded with all the characteristics you spoke of. I ordered a 14x1-24x1.5 adapter so I could but my k74 style break on from KVAR. The adapter will not fit though. It starts to go on but gets tight very quickly. I think I will still have to thread it but cut a little deeper. Is this what you all would recommend? Thanks for any help. Wanted to add that I already cut shroud back to base of FSB. I think regardless I would like to thread back to the base so there is no gap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Hey guys this is my first post. Not sure if this is still up since last post was 2 years ago. My barrel was threaded with all the characteristics you spoke of. I ordered a 14x1-24x1.5 adapter so I could but my k74 style break on from KVAR. The adapter will not fit though. It starts to go on but gets tight very quickly. I think I will still have to thread it but cut a little deeper. Is this what you all would recommend? Thanks for any help. Wanted to add that I already cut shroud back to base of FSB. I think regardless I would like to thread back to the base so there is no gap. hi beretta, welcome to the boards. check to see if any of the barrel threads got damaged during the FSB removal. it could just be a case of close tolerances not allowing it to align properly. you could try some oil also. that may help. maybe run a screwdriver around the threads inside the adapter to make sure they are all straight too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjshive22 0 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Hey guys this is my first post. Not sure if this is still up since last post was 2 years ago. My barrel was threaded with all the characteristics you spoke of. I ordered a 14x1-24x1.5 adapter so I could but my k74 style break on from KVAR. The adapter will not fit though. It starts to go on but gets tight very quickly. I think I will still have to thread it but cut a little deeper. Is this what you all would recommend? Thanks for any help. Wanted to add that I already cut shroud back to base of FSB. I think regardless I would like to thread back to the base so there is no gap. hi beretta, welcome to the boards. check to see if any of the barrel threads got damaged during the FSB removal. it could just be a case of close tolerances not allowing it to align properly. you could try some oil also. that may help. maybe run a screwdriver around the threads inside the adapter to make sure they are all straight too. Thanks for reply GregM1. I will check again to see if threads look good. Like I said I had cut back to base so it came off clean. Threads looked great on both barrel and adapter at first site but I'll clean up if possible. I plan on threading to base so hopefully that will help going back over the area already threaded. If its the adapter I have no way of knowing. It came from a great company and looks very well made. Thanks for input. I used this forum for my Saiga conversion and it went really well until this hiccup. Take care. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpringle 0 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Hey guys this is my first post. Not sure if this is still up since last post was 2 years ago. My barrel was threaded with all the characteristics you spoke of. I ordered a 14x1-24x1.5 adapter so I could but my k74 style break on from KVAR. The adapter will not fit though. It starts to go on but gets tight very quickly. I think I will still have to thread it but cut a little deeper. Is this what you all would recommend? Thanks for any help. What date was your rifle? Mine is 3/11, i have all the features. Was just wondering. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjshive22 0 Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Hey guys this is my first post. Not sure if this is still up since last post was 2 years ago. My barrel was threaded with all the characteristics you spoke of. I ordered a 14x1-24x1.5 adapter so I could but my k74 style break on from KVAR. The adapter will not fit though. It starts to go on but gets tight very quickly. I think I will still have to thread it but cut a little deeper. Is this what you all would recommend? Thanks for any help. What date was your rifle? Mine is 3/11, i have all the features. Was just wondering. Could you tell me where on the gun it has the date? It looks just like those on this thread. All the features were there. I still have to thread it more though so it won't help much other than I won't need a TAT know to guide the die down on the barrel. My adapter only goes half way down before locking up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Serial # is DOM, first two numerals are year, check certificate for month. H09******** would be 2009. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpringle 0 Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Hey guys this is my first post. Not sure if this is still up since last post was 2 years ago. My barrel was threaded with all the characteristics you spoke of. I ordered a 14x1-24x1.5 adapter so I could but my k74 style break on from KVAR. The adapter will not fit though. It starts to go on but gets tight very quickly. I think I will still have to thread it but cut a little deeper. Is this what you all would recommend? Thanks for any help. What date was your rifle? Mine is 3/11, i have all the features. Was just wondering. Could you tell me where on the gun it has the date? It looks just like those on this thread. All the features were there. I still have to thread it more though so it won't help much other than I won't need a TAT know to guide the die down on the barrel. My adapter only goes half way down before locking up. i got the date from the russian service manual. Like a dumb-ass i threw it away! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dmcalloway 1 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Saigas are on sale at JG sales 7.62x39 are $299, 2 or more $289 incase you guys didn't know. The 5.45, .223 and 410 are all $299 also. Anyway, I got 4 of the 7.62x39 last week, 2 were threaded and 2 were not. I checked the manuals in all 4 boxes and they all had build dates of July 2011 but the recievers were all marked '09 so don't go by the manual like warlord260 said. I found that the only way to tell them apart was the "feed ramp" looking groove in the end of the barrel that another poster mentioned was bigger in the threaded barrel rifles. Also if you look at the end of the barrel inside the reciever the outer diamater of the barrel is slightly tapered at the end on the threaded rifles and just ends in a straight 90deg in the non threaded ones. I hope this helps. I ordered 3 more 7.62 and 1 of the 5.45 today so I'll check them when they get here. I tried to explain it to the sales guy at JG so he would send the threaded ones but he wasn't getting what I was saying. Hopefully I'll get a few more threaded ones. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxtail207 23 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) My rifle has the PG bolt hole and the beveled inside barrel face. The barrel end looks to me like it may be threaded, I can see quite a bit of space between barrel and sleeve at the end. The serial number begins with H09... so that is year 2009. How do you find the month? The barrel does have the two side HG notches, and my receiver has stamped dimples, and it has NO stepped bore. Does this follow the "Threaded Barrel Syndrome" enough to assume it's threaded? A side note: It seems to me that the people who have had trouble cutting the shroud/sleeve off were using TUBE cutters, not PIPE cutters. Tube cutters are made for light gauge / wall tubing, not harder steel. Edited November 1, 2011 by Foxtail207 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BillyBeamon 0 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I just got mine from classic and i still have to check to see if i have all the stuff but it is a 09 and this looks threaded Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dmcalloway 1 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Yeah Billy it"s threaded. That's how the threaded ones I got looked. There was no gap between the barrel and sleeve on the non threaded ones. I just got 4 more in today and like the 4 I got in last week the ones with threads had the chamber end of the barrel beveled. I'll try and get some pics up tomarrow of what to look for. I have 8 examples to go by now so I'm sure of what to look for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dayofruin 425 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I picked one up yesterday and I think I have the features that would suggest a threaded barrel. 09 manufacture date, stamped dimples but no secondary Y stamp, grooves in the barrel sides, no stepped chamber, but my muzzle doesn't look as "gapped" as the one pictured above. I want to be sure that its threaded before i go cutting on it... if possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxtail207 23 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Yeah Billy it"s threaded. That's how the threaded ones I got looked. There was no gap between the barrel and sleeve on the non threaded ones. I just got 4 more in today and like the 4 I got in last week the ones with threads had the chamber end of the barrel beveled. I'll try and get some pics up tomarrow of what to look for. I have 8 examples to go by now so I'm sure of what to look for. Does this barrel look like it 's threaded. The rifle meets all the criteria, but the barrel end is not chamfered as much as in Billy's photo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BillyBeamon 0 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I can see the threads im not 100% positive but i think i have all the checks Am I missing anything on the list? or Forgetting to check a part? The ammo does not step thats correct right? Has the handguard cutouts Here is the full view my buddy gave me his old 45mm red dot he purchased foe $200.00 when they came out its big but works nicely Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dmcalloway 1 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) Ok out of 8 Saigas I ordered, 4 had threaded barrels and 4 did not. The only differences I found was the end of the barrel in the reciever(the end the bullet goes in)is a straight cut in the non threaded barrels and rounded on the threaded barrels. In the first 2 pictures I have the bolts out and top covers off the rifles. You can see the top of the barrel sticking out of the trunion(on the right) into the reciever. The first picture is of the straight ended barrel and the second is of the rounded end. Last 2 pics are of the muzzle ends of the rifles, nonthreaded then threaded. See the gap between the barrel and sleeve on the last pic. Edited November 8, 2011 by Grim Industries Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxtail207 23 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Ok out of 8 Saigas I ordered, 4 had threaded barrels and 4 did not. The only differences I found was the end of the barrel in the reciever(the end the bullet goes in)is a straight cut in the non threaded barrels and rounded on the threaded barrels. In the first 2 pictures I have the bolts out and top covers off the rifles. You can see the top of the barrel sticking out of the trunion(on the right) into the reciever. The first picture is of the straight ended barrel and the second is of the rounded end. Last 2 pics are of the muzzle ends of the rifles, nonthreaded then threaded. See the gap between the barrel and sleeve on the last pic. Well ratz!. From your findings, I assume mine is NOT threaded. My barrel at the chamber end is cut square (no outside chamfer or rounding) and at the other end it not chamfered as much as shown in the last photo above. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidewinder11 7 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Great pictures. Mine looks like it's threaded. Do I have to take the whole FSB off to get to the threads or just the sleeve? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxtail207 23 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Great pictures. Mine looks like it's threaded. Do I have to take the whole FSB off to get to the threads or just the sleeve? Just cut off the sleeve. Look for instructions in the forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tdp378 1 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I agree with grim. I could totally see the start of the threads on the muzzle. There is quite a large gap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ultimatetaba 1 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Bringing this thread back up to assess my situation. It seems I've got all the right criteria for a threaded barrel that you folks have listed out, but looking at my barrel, it doesn't look like there would be threads underneath. According the the number, it's an 09 production, Dimpled receiver: Handguard notches: Round trunnion: Chamber is also NOT stepped from what I could see. But take a look at this barrel/shroud... What gives?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joek4061 6 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Mine has everything that yours has but did not have the threaded barrel. It seems to be a crap shoot. I don't believe a certain criteria exists. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidewinder11 7 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Same here.... No worries I just changed out the FSB looks better anyhow and I can add my cleaning rod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ultimatetaba 1 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Yeah, agreed...not a big deal. Now to pull the trigger on a 74 FSB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I happen to like the one Blackthorne (stop screaming bad things) sells. That is what I used on all of the restorations I have done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dayofruin 425 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Exactly the same with mine. The 74 FSB looks really good so that may be my route as well. If I don't just leave it alone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 i have threaded barrel on my 7.62 but i still covered it anyways with a bulgy 24mm block. its just a better brake system imo. i have a blackthorne on my 223 and its a very good piece. i would recommend their FSBs too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ultimatetaba 1 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Where can this Blackthorne FSB be acquired? If it's not open for public posting, can either of you folks send me a message? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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