jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) I just bought a Krink rod. Its alil loose, but does the job. I know classic arms has draco cleaning rods in stock. Mine came with one but I forgot to put it back after I loctited down my quad rail who makes that flash hider? It's a bulgarian Krink brake. CNC warrior makes a high quality US version (not airsoft) I had read somewhere that the Krink Breaks (flash hider), both styles, on a longer barrel than the 8" or 9" may wind up being over gasses because of the inner chambers inside the flash hiders.. With the chamber inside the hider it completely burns up the gunpowder and you get the full pressure.. Any truth to that or any indication of that on your Draco?? Maybe the rear trunnion getting beat up more than usual?? I have one of each and they are the real deal. Would love to use one or the other.. Leaning to the Bulgarian.. Maybe what I read was complete nonscence but I would like to know anyway.. From what I have read the Krinkov Flash Hiders are also called "boosters". I think you are correct in that they increase chamber pressure due to better utilization of powder that is normally thrown out the end of the barrel. In the case of the 8" or so barrel on the Krinkov this was intentional because of cycling problems with the very short gas system. I don't think that you will have an overpressure situation on a 12" Draco barrel. The issue that I am thinking of is that adding a 3" Flash Hider to a 12" Barrel leaves me with a firearm that is NFA and yet is only 1" shorter than it's legal cousin. I have a "Krink" style Saiga that Tom Cole built that has a 16" barrel length including the permanently attacked Krink flash hider. Perhaps I'll check on the viability of shortening the Draco barrel by 3" to account for the flash hider and still make it worthwhile to pay for a tax stamp. So many decisions. 1911 eadit to add: The Noveske Flash Hider also works to throw the flash, concusive force and sound ahead of the shooter which is generally appreciated by team mates next to you. Edited April 25, 2011 by 1911 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kyledent3 4 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Im not sure If mine is a true draco or not. Its imported by C.A.I. and the model is ak pistol. Im wondering what rails everyones using for there pistol's. Thanks for your help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) Im not sure If mine is a true draco or not. Its imported by C.A.I. and the model is ak pistol. Im wondering what rails everyones using for there pistol's. Thanks for your help. Well because mine will be a SBR, I am using the TWS DL Gen 2. This allows me to extend the sights to the rear of the receiver instead of the normal rear sight leaf position. just my EDIT: also if its a draco, it should say so on the side of the receiver like in these photos which mine also says CAI: Edited April 26, 2011 by AZG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berzerker2 19 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 That looks great...what kind of stock is that? It kinda looks like an Ace..? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 That looks great...what kind of stock is that? It kinda looks like an Ace..? Its a DPH arms stock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berzerker2 19 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 That looks great...what kind of stock is that? It kinda looks like an Ace..? Its a DPH arms stock It looks great. You still have to cut off the tang at the rear, correct? I like that stock but I feel uneasy cutting off the tang at the rear... looks great though. I am converting my .308 and have a Galil front grip and might put one on... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 It looks great. You still have to cut off the tang at the rear, correct? I like that stock but I feel uneasy cutting off the tang at the rear... looks great though. I am converting my .308 and have a Galil front grip and might put one on... I like it too. Just waiting for the right time to buy one. Yes you still have to cut the tang. Here's the video on how to do it courtesy of Greg at CSS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apHGSExPmUo&feature=youtube_gdata_player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F T C 0 Posted May 3, 2011 Report Share Posted May 3, 2011 I am thinking of purchasing a Draco for the simple reason it looks fun to shoot. So from what I seem to have gathered if I purchase it from Atlantic Firearms I have a very good chance of having a good firearm, correct? Also, from what I have seen the Dracos so not come with a scope rail side plate. Is it possible to add the plate, and if so, how hard would it be to add one? I have come to enjoy the scope rails on both my PSL and S12 and would like to add one to the Draco if possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kyledent3 4 Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 What rails are being used on these draco's? I would really like to put rails on mine but im not sure which ones to order. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berzerker2 19 Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 What rails are being used on these draco's? I would really like to put rails on mine but im not sure which ones to order. Thanks I think I read somewhere on this forum that the side rail puts it in the category of an SBR or AW instead of a pistol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 What rails are being used on these draco's? I would really like to put rails on mine but im not sure which ones to order. Thanks I think I read somewhere on this forum that the side rail puts it in the category of an SBR or AW instead of a pistol. No. You can put as many, and whatever type of, rails on your Draco as you please, and it won't make it an NFA item. It's when you put a vertical foregrip on it without the proper stamp that you're making an illegal gun out of your pistol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 What rails are being used on these draco's? I would really like to put rails on mine but im not sure which ones to order. Thanks Mainly Ultimak rails (expensive) and Midwest Industries rails (not as expensive). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kyledent3 4 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 So i know vertical foregrips are illegal on pistols but how about the modular angled foregrip from magpul. Heres a pic It seems like it should help out with getting 2nd and 3rd shots back on target faster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 So i know vertical foregrips are illegal on pistols but how about the modular angled foregrip from magpul. Heres a pic It seems like it should help out with getting 2nd and 3rd shots back on target faster. People have posted letters from the ATF saying that the Magpul AFG is legal on an AR pistol, over on Arfcom (page 3 of this letter ). But keep in mind, those letters are only "good" for whoever they're addressed to, and the ATF likes to change their mind at any given moment. I'm not a lawyer, and the above isn't legal advice. Just passing along what I've read. But personally, I think it has more use on an AR pistol, since you can use the AFG to pull the gun into your shoulder with the buffer tube acting as a stock. On a Draco pistol, and how one would hold it, I'm not sure it would be very advantageous. Maybe that's just me, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YARP 300 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 forget all that BS and put a two point sling on it. I've used the AFG on my AR pistol, wasn't a fan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berzerker2 19 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 What rails are being used on these draco's? I would really like to put rails on mine but im not sure which ones to order. Thanks I think I read somewhere on this forum that the side rail puts it in the category of an SBR or AW instead of a pistol. No. You can put as many, and whatever type of, rails on your Draco as you please, and it won't make it an NFA item. It's when you put a vertical foregrip on it without the proper stamp that you're making an illegal gun out of your pistol. Thanks for the correction! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kyledent3 4 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Thank you all very much for your help. I think Ill contact the atf tech branch about using the magpul afg for my ak pistol. If they give me the go ahead ill order one and put it on my pistol. Thanks again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
presto_z 125 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 someone over on arfcom contacted the atf about putting an afg on a ar pistol. They gave him the go ahead, he scanned the letter of approval so anyone can read it here is a link to the letter https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B0qyloA48O3XZWFjYjMwYTMtYTg1MC00NzVhLWI3NmMtZDRiNTMzNzdhMzUx&hl=en Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fumes 84 Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 Thank you all very much for your help. I think Ill contact the atf tech branch about using the magpul afg for my ak pistol. If they give me the go ahead ill order one and put it on my pistol. Thanks again. Yarp is right, when I was building my AR pistol I put an AFG from my S12 on it to see what it was like and it places your hand way too far forward for that short of a bbl. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kyledent3 4 Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 Thanks Ill prob just get the sling attachment for between the frame and pistol grip and put a sling on it, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whitetrashrn 74 Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Also if the pistol in question is the one in your avitar then no. The Draco came with the one peice front sight gas tube combo. C.A.I built the pistols like you have there. They didn't get their hands in the manufacturing of the DRACO. When I got my draco it was a total mess inside. It took a day of cleaning but once all the cosmoline and sawdust?? was out of it worked fine.. It had a few little problems but it was stiff. After a few outings and a little polishing of the bolt it runs great. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/59120-the-draco-is-centurys-only-ak-pistol-correct/ Im not sure If mine is a true draco or not. Its imported by C.A.I. and the model is ak pistol. Im wondering what rails everyones using for there pistol's. Thanks for your help. Well because mine will be a SBR, I am using the TWS DL Gen 2. This allows me to extend the sights to the rear of the receiver instead of the normal rear sight leaf position. just my EDIT: also if its a draco, it should say so on the side of the receiver like in these photos which mine also says CAI: Edited May 12, 2011 by whitetrashrn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zambidis 90 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) I am using the TWS DL Gen 2. This allows me to extend the sights to the rear of the receiver instead of the normal rear sight leaf position. just my I have the TWS gen 2. I've been planing a Draco SBR build for a while (and now the minis have me re-evaluating everything). I wouldn't buy another TWS rail. I'm not a huge fan of the peep that comes on it. There is talk of them making a better one. On a Draco which is really a 200 yd weapon I'd rather save that money and put it towards a red dot and your preferred mounting method, US palm or Ultimak rail. Edited May 13, 2011 by Zambidis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Not sure if many folks have seen the new "mini Draco" or not. Even shorter. Might make a decent car gun. Speaking of which.... While I would never advocate brandishing a Draco, this GIF of a guy using a Krink to get a tailgater to back off made me smile: 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
admbleg 35 Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 What barrel extension are you useing? I tried a CNC Warrior 2 inch extension with the Tantal Muzzle Brake, and had some real bad results. I was getting rounds all over the place. Took a look at the brake and rounds were hitting or sceeming the brake throwing them down or up towards the target. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigadd 9 Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Not really "hot-rodded", but I added sling mounts, and finished the wood. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyMinion 300 Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 How is the build quality on those mini Drakes? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 How is the build quality on those mini Drakes? Are these minis Dracos modified by someone in the US or assembled completely in Romania? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigadd 9 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I'd be very surprised if they were built here in the US, but I have heard that some are assembled here with US and Romanian parts. I think the quality is fine and have had no problems. For $400 I think the mini draco is well worth the price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyMinion 300 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Is the barrel threaded on the mini's? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chupa 34 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) yes it is threaded Edited May 20, 2011 by chupa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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