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I just bought a Krink rod. Its alil loose, but does the job. I know classic arms has draco cleaning rods in stock.

Mine came with one but I forgot to put it back after I loctited down my quad rail :lolol:

 

who makes that flash hider?

 

It's a bulgarian Krink brake. CNC warrior makes a high quality US version (not airsoft)

 

I had read somewhere that the Krink Breaks (flash hider), both styles, on a longer barrel than the 8" or 9" may wind up being over gasses because of the

inner chambers inside the flash hiders.. With the chamber inside the hider it completely burns up the gunpowder and you get the full pressure..

Any truth to that or any indication of that on your Draco?? Maybe the rear trunnion getting beat up more than usual?? I have one of each and they are the real deal.

Would love to use one or the other.. Leaning to the Bulgarian.. Maybe what I read was complete nonscence but I would like to know anyway..

 

 

From what I have read the Krinkov Flash Hiders are also called "boosters". I think you are correct in that they increase chamber pressure due to better utilization of powder that is normally thrown out the end of the barrel. In the case of the 8" or so barrel on the Krinkov this was intentional because of cycling problems with the very short gas system. I don't think that you will have an overpressure situation on a 12" Draco barrel.

 

The issue that I am thinking of is that adding a 3" Flash Hider to a 12" Barrel leaves me with a firearm that is NFA and yet is only 1" shorter than it's legal cousin. I have a "Krink" style Saiga that Tom Cole built that has a 16" barrel length including the permanently attacked Krink flash hider. Perhaps I'll check on the viability of shortening the Draco barrel by 3" to account for the flash hider and still make it worthwhile to pay for a tax stamp. So many decisions.

 

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eadit to add: The Noveske Flash Hider also works to throw the flash, concusive force and sound ahead of the shooter which is generally appreciated by team mates next to you. :)

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+1   This thread is for Draco porn. Not Valmets, not discussing GhostBuster villains, not catching up with fellow Commiefornians. Post Dracos or STFU!  

UPDATE. Finally got it SBR'd  

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Im not sure If mine is a true draco or not. Its imported by C.A.I. and the model is ak pistol. Im wondering what rails everyones using for there pistol's. Thanks for your help.

 

 

Well because mine will be a SBR, I am using the TWS DL Gen 2. This allows me to extend the sights to the rear of the receiver instead of the normal rear sight leaf position. just my :2c:

 

EDIT: also if its a draco, it should say so on the side of the receiver like in these photos which mine also says CAI:

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That looks great...what kind of stock is that? It kinda looks like an Ace..?

Its a DPH arms stock

 

 

It looks great. You still have to cut off the tang at the rear, correct? I like that stock but I feel uneasy cutting off the tang at the rear... looks great though. I am converting my .308 and have a Galil front grip and might put one on...

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It looks great. You still have to cut off the tang at the rear, correct? I like that stock but I feel uneasy cutting off the tang at the rear... looks great though. I am converting my .308 and have a Galil front grip and might put one on...

I like it too. Just waiting for the right time to buy one. Yes you still have to cut the tang. Here's the video on how to do it courtesy of Greg at CSS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apHGSExPmUo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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I am thinking of purchasing a Draco for the simple reason it looks fun to shoot. So from what I seem to have gathered if I purchase it from Atlantic Firearms I have a very good chance of having a good firearm, correct? Also, from what I have seen the Dracos so not come with a scope rail side plate. Is it possible to add the plate, and if so, how hard would it be to add one? I have come to enjoy the scope rails on both my PSL and S12 and would like to add one to the Draco if possible.

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What rails are being used on these draco's? I would really like to put rails on mine but im not sure which ones to order. Thanks

 

 

I think I read somewhere on this forum that the side rail puts it in the category of an SBR or AW instead of a pistol.

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What rails are being used on these draco's? I would really like to put rails on mine but im not sure which ones to order. Thanks

 

 

I think I read somewhere on this forum that the side rail puts it in the category of an SBR or AW instead of a pistol.

 

No. You can put as many, and whatever type of, rails on your Draco as you please, and it won't make it an NFA item. It's when you put a vertical foregrip on it without the proper stamp that you're making an illegal gun out of your pistol.

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What rails are being used on these draco's? I would really like to put rails on mine but im not sure which ones to order. Thanks

 

Mainly Ultimak rails (expensive) and Midwest Industries rails (not as expensive).

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So i know vertical foregrips are illegal on pistols but how about the modular angled foregrip from magpul. Heres a pic It seems like it should help out with getting 2nd and 3rd shots back on target faster. ARR-859.jpg

 

People have posted letters from the ATF saying that the Magpul AFG is legal on an AR pistol, over on Arfcom (page 3 of this letter ). But keep in mind, those letters are only "good" for whoever they're addressed to, and the ATF likes to change their mind at any given moment.

 

I'm not a lawyer, and the above isn't legal advice. Just passing along what I've read.

 

 

But personally, I think it has more use on an AR pistol, since you can use the AFG to pull the gun into your shoulder with the buffer tube acting as a stock. On a Draco pistol, and how one would hold it, I'm not sure it would be very advantageous. Maybe that's just me, though.

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What rails are being used on these draco's? I would really like to put rails on mine but im not sure which ones to order. Thanks

 

 

I think I read somewhere on this forum that the side rail puts it in the category of an SBR or AW instead of a pistol.

 

No. You can put as many, and whatever type of, rails on your Draco as you please, and it won't make it an NFA item. It's when you put a vertical foregrip on it without the proper stamp that you're making an illegal gun out of your pistol.

 

 

Thanks for the correction!

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Thank you all very much for your help. I think Ill contact the atf tech branch about using the magpul afg for my ak pistol. If they give me the go ahead ill order one and put it on my pistol. Thanks again.

 

 

Yarp is right, when I was building my AR pistol I put an AFG from my S12 on it to see what it was like and it places your hand way too far forward for that short of a bbl.

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Also if the pistol in question is the one in your avitar then no. The Draco came with the one peice front sight gas tube combo. C.A.I built the pistols like you have there.

They didn't get their hands in the manufacturing of the DRACO. When I got my draco it was a total mess inside. It took a day of cleaning but once all the cosmoline and

sawdust?? was out of it worked fine.. It had a few little problems but it was stiff. After a few outings and a little polishing of the bolt it runs great.

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/59120-the-draco-is-centurys-only-ak-pistol-correct/

 

 

Im not sure If mine is a true draco or not. Its imported by C.A.I. and the model is ak pistol. Im wondering what rails everyones using for there pistol's. Thanks for your help.

 

 

Well because mine will be a SBR, I am using the TWS DL Gen 2. This allows me to extend the sights to the rear of the receiver instead of the normal rear sight leaf position. just my :2c:

 

EDIT: also if its a draco, it should say so on the side of the receiver like in these photos which mine also says CAI:

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I am using the TWS DL Gen 2. This allows me to extend the sights to the rear of the receiver instead of the normal rear sight leaf position. just my

 

I have the TWS gen 2. I've been planing a Draco SBR build for a while (and now the minis have me re-evaluating everything). I wouldn't buy another TWS rail. I'm not a huge fan of the peep that comes on it. There is talk of them making a better one. On a Draco which is really a 200 yd weapon I'd rather save that money and put it towards a red dot and your preferred mounting method, US palm or Ultimak rail.

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Not sure if many folks have seen the new "mini Draco" or not. Even shorter. Might make a decent car gun.

 

Speaking of which....

 

While I would never advocate brandishing a Draco, this GIF of a guy using a Krink to get a tailgater to back off made me smile:

 

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What barrel extension are you useing?

 

I tried a CNC Warrior 2 inch extension with the Tantal Muzzle Brake, and had some real bad results. I was getting rounds all over the place. Took a look at the brake and rounds were hitting or sceeming the brake throwing them down or up towards the target.

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I'd be very surprised if they were built here in the US, but I have heard that some are assembled here with US and Romanian parts. I think the quality is fine and have had no problems. For $400 I think the mini draco is well worth the price.

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