taseal 12 Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) Alright guys, quick info on what's going on... I have my shotgun over at a reputable smith that's on here, and I'm getting my ultimate (and only) shotgun made. I first off started cheap, but realized this is my only shotgun and I want it to be just how I want it, so I kept added things to it, so now it's a pretty damn expensive shotgun. I've decided on a Chaos Extended rail, ACE folding stock, OAL 18.2" barrel TAC47 Auto Plug, Burris FastFire II (No BUIS, this will be for close range, if the Burris is down, i'll just point to what i'm shooting lol) and now the last part I'm having a tough time deciding on what I want. For the muzzle brake, I want something that is: 1. Has an intimidating (badass? lol) look to it. Usually massive brakes do. 2. Has a good recoil reduction I was set on the JTE Competition brake, but from the people I've talked to here, the ones that had the JTE say if they could do it again with the OAL being 18.2 inches, they would have gone with the Monster Brake. So if you were building one of your favorite shotguns, and wanted it to have good recoil reduction and a big muzzle brake in the front, knew that the OAL would be 18.2 with whatever brake you got, and money was no issue, which brake would you get? I have a similar thread about the JTE on here, but I wanetd to start a poll explaining why I can't decide, and these are my 2 final choices. Help me decide! I'm torn between the two!!! Edited November 27, 2010 by taseal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 You mean you're having your shotgun worked on by a reputable gunsmith? The Monster brake is terrible. Go with the JTE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taseal 12 Posted November 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) You mean you're having your shotgun worked on by a reputable gunsmith? The Monster brake is terrible. Go with the JTE. hah! this thing looks so much like a rifle that I keep calling it rifle! I actually had to back and edit it out to shotgun on another instance on that post, guess I missed that one eta: ah you bastid! you voted on a JTE! I know you don't prefer a JTE! you spoiled my poll!!! you can't be the only one with a monster brake Edited November 27, 2010 by taseal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fumes 84 Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 According to the poll so far, yes he can be the only one. And here I found out that I was not the only one w/ the stock I got and molot style PG. PA has to keep some uniqueness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 You mean you're having your shotgun worked on by a reputable gunsmith? The Monster brake is terrible. Go with the JTE. hah! this thing looks so much like a rifle that I keep calling it rifle! I actually had to back and edit it out to shotgun on another instance on that post, guess I missed that one eta: ah you bastid! you voted on a JTE! I know you don't prefer a JTE! you spoiled my poll!!! you can't be the only one with a monster brake I didn't "spoil your poll". I voted for the brake that I think you should use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taseal 12 Posted November 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 You mean you're having your shotgun worked on by a reputable gunsmith? The Monster brake is terrible. Go with the JTE. hah! this thing looks so much like a rifle that I keep calling it rifle! I actually had to back and edit it out to shotgun on another instance on that post, guess I missed that one eta: ah you bastid! you voted on a JTE! I know you don't prefer a JTE! you spoiled my poll!!! you can't be the only one with a monster brake I didn't "spoil your poll". I voted for the brake that I think you should use. pffffft Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taseal 12 Posted November 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Come on dudes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinnivanhood 17 Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 can you put up side by side pics? or at least specs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taseal 12 Posted November 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 (edited) Click on the links for shotguns that have them on the weapon... Here is a monster brake (almost 13 ounces, 5.8 inches) http://forum.saiga-1...ndpost&p=571156 and here is a JTE comp brake (9 ounces and almost 4 inches) http://forum.saiga-1...ndpost&p=574309 Edited November 29, 2010 by taseal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 I would go with the MONSTER! It's got great What-The-Fuck Factor. WTFF. And it cuts the recoil substantially, as an added benefit. Tony 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 I don't know.... I just can't get into the brakes. I'd run the barrel nut or a unvented Polychoke. If there was a muzzle-mount brake out there that gave a significant reduction in recoil, I might be inclined to want to hang another pound of metal on the end of my weapon. Until then.... I'll pass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AtlSaiga 25 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 I don't know.... I just can't get into the brakes. I'd run the barrel nut or a unvented Polychoke. If there was a muzzle-mount brake out there that gave a significant reduction in recoil, I might be inclined to want to hang another pound of metal on the end of my weapon. Until then.... I'll pass. Wouldnt the BEST option be a mid barrel comp with a polychoke? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 I would go with the MONSTER! It's got great What-The-Fuck Factor. WTFF. And it cuts the recoil substantially, as an added benefit. ..and that is a totally objective opinion! LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) I don't know.... I just can't get into the brakes. I'd run the barrel nut or a unvented Polychoke. If there was a muzzle-mount brake out there that gave a significant reduction in recoil, I might be inclined to want to hang another pound of metal on the end of my weapon. Until then.... I'll pass. evl, I agree with ya when we're talkin about the smaller, more common "breacher" brakes. However, Monster brakes do work, and reduce recoil in a very appreciable way, (by ~25% with high brass and it virtually negates bird shot recoil). In order to do that at the muzzle on a 12-ga, it does have to be massive; which is why I use one on a cut-down barrel. Edited November 30, 2010 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 I don't know.... I just can't get into the brakes. I'd run the barrel nut or a unvented Polychoke. If there was a muzzle-mount brake out there that gave a significant reduction in recoil, I might be inclined to want to hang another pound of metal on the end of my weapon. Until then.... I'll pass. evl, I agree with ya when we're talkin about the smaller, more common "breacher" brakes. However, Monster brakes do work, and reduce recoil in a very appreciable way, (by ~25% with high brass and it virtually negates bird shot recoil). In order to do that at the muzzle on a 12-ga, it does have to be massive; which is why I use one on a cut-down barrel. Brosef, since you have the Tromix.....howzabouts a video of some rounds down range? I was loving the look of it with the chopped barrel in your thread. So I'd love to see it in action, and it might help the OP figure out what he wants. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taseal 12 Posted November 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 Monster brake is supposed to give substantial recoil reduction line you describe. Same with the jte one. Really the two best out there I don't know.... I just can't get into the brakes. I'd run the barrel nut or a unvented Polychoke. If there was a muzzle-mount brake out there that gave a significant reduction in recoil, I might be inclined to want to hang another pound of metal on the end of my weapon. Until then.... I'll pass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rs51085 136 Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) I think they both have some advantages. i have a monster brake with an overall length of 18.5" and the recoil reduction is very noticeable compared to my 24" gun. and i think that it looks bad ass. but you will lose a lot of back pressure which will affect cycling and the gun will need to be adjusted to run light loads. the JTE brake is shorter which will probably not reduce the recoil as much but you wont have to cut as much of the barrel off which will help in keeping more back pressure so theoretically it would cycle better with the JTE. either way you go the gun will probably need some work to run light stuff reliably though, but if a good shop is doing the work then that shouldn't be a problem. good luck and i hope this helps! Edited July 28, 2011 by rogers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga_rom 91 Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 personally, im leaning towards the tromix cause it looks vicious, but they do both look quite similar. i think either way you cant go wrong. i have this on mine, phantom muzzle brake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 I voted for the shortest and the lightest, even though I do not care for the look of it. If it were based on looks, I would go with the Tromix. Since both are reported to be successful at reducing recoil, smaller and lighter makes sense to me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Mivet 6 Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) Actually, you should have added these to the poll questions. Original Soviet MD Arms Soviet repro long style MD Arms Soviet repro short style. None of the above. Because frankly, both of the above choices are horrendously huge, and not quite attractive, at least to me. I myself am not convinced that they are that functional, I would like to see some testing done, hence, None of the above. And, the shorter MD Soviet Style seems to be the least obnoxious design I have seen, and why put ten more pounds on the end of an already heavy gun? MD arms shorty, alas, currently sold out, 35 bucks. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Edited August 13, 2011 by Mr Mivet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goose 95 Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 If I had to choose between the two, I'd go with JTE. That's based on the thinking like EVL and post-apocalyptic. Lighter and shorter. Also looks too I guess, as in the better of the two, I don't really care for the way brakes look. Also, not based on any real world experience what so ever. Never fired a S12 with a break, much less either of the two that we're discussing. And with that, one could probably omit my opinion all together lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nephilim7 107 Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Never fired a S12 with a break, much less either of the two that we're discussing. Total necro thread... I prefer a traffic cone duct taped to my barrel!!! LOL How did this even get dredged up? Saw it floating in the list, but the last post was 2011. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
romad7 75 Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Added my vote anyway just to tie it up. Since we have brought this one back from the dead, I want to know what the guy ended up with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nephilim7 107 Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Maybe we could contact his heirs to find out, since the thread was started in 2010. He did log in last on April 21... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyE 81 Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 I don't know.... I just can't get into the brakes. I'd run the barrel nut or a unvented Polychoke. If there was a muzzle-mount brake out there that gave a significant reduction in recoil, I might be inclined to want to hang another pound of metal on the end of my weapon. Until then.... I'll pass. evl, I agree with ya when we're talkin about the smaller, more common "breacher" brakes. However, Monster brakes do work, and reduce recoil in a very appreciable way, (by ~25% with high brass and it virtually negates bird shot recoil). In order to do that at the muzzle on a 12-ga, it does have to be massive; which is why I use one on a cut-down barrel. I gotta agree with the 25% recoil reduction by the Monster Brake. Have two identical Saiga 12's with 19" bbls, except I put a Monster Brake on one, and nothing on the other. Took 'em both to range and alternated shooting them to get a feeling for the effect of the brake. Yeah, I'd say 20-25% reduction in felt recoil. Bought a second Monster Brake for the other gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goose 95 Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) Never fired a S12 with a break, much less either of the two that we're discussing. Total necro thread... I prefer a traffic cone duct taped to my barrel!!! LOL How did this even get dredged up? Saw it floating in the list, but the last post was 2011. Ya know, that's a really good question. Totally didn't even bother looking at dates until just now... It popped up on the first page of topics, and I did my thing. Lol I guess I'm gonna have to start paying more attention, my apologies. Edited May 9, 2013 by Goose Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nephilim7 107 Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 No need to apologize! It's an interesting read. Just made me laugh when I realized its age. Sure would like to see side-by-side scientific testing of the Monster and GK-1 clone. I think BLKHWKVET is doing something like that soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Monster brake for sure! it helps ALOT in the first slug video you can see how much gas is being redirected....look at the targets on the lower right of the video Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 I really like the flash hider polychoke. That way you cam have an adjustable choke and it looks awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aram Fingal 11 Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 I'm having a monster break put on my gun and hope to have it back by this weekend to try it out. I'm having the barrel cut though because they showed me one with the full length barrel compared to one that was cut, and the full length one just made the gun too long. That means I have to have the break pinned but that's OK because I don't see a need to switch things out. I'll let you know what my impressions are as to how much difference it makes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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