akastormi 617 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Rev. John Henry, the Cleveland clergyman who in recent weeks has surrendered to police more than 200 guns and 2,000 boxes of ammunition, agreed Tuesday to relinquish something else -- his longtime job. "An incident report describes the visit as a crisis intervention, which according to police policy must end with a psychiatric evaluation" "Obviously securing the safety of the facility and neighborhood is at the forefront." My linkhttp://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/02/spiritual_leader_gives_up_post.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GREYLUPO 358 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Can i get a hallelujah! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nutical 16 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Just in case praying doesn't work I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfanatic 221 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 No comments from Rev. Henry? Nice collection though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schultze13 354 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 We all need that kind of church maybe I'd go more. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 If he violated no laws, and is not found to be a danger to himself or others, I hope they will be returned to him. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akastormi 617 Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 "Someone told me, 'Guns are legal.' Of course they are," Cimperman said. "But 200 guns and thousands of rounds of ammo for a homeless shelter? That doesn't pass the smell test." <<< That's a good line from a City Councilman. Cleveland Public Safety Director Martin Flask. The guns range from a .44 Magnum handgun to an AK 74 assault rifle. I didn't see an AK in the pic. You would think the paparazzi woulda paraded that at the head of the table. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuffetDestroyer 969 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I am still trying to figure out what he did wrong. The guy has helped poor people for decades, but he owns guns so he must be crazy? WTF? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfanatic 221 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 (edited) I am still trying to figure out what he did wrong. The guy has helped poor people for decades, but he owns guns so he must be crazy? WTF? The article made it sound like they were trying to get him for purchasing the guns using the church's tax exempt status. But they couldn’t prove it. Still as of yet I guess they aren’t charging him with anything. Edited February 9, 2011 by Gun Fanatic 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swells08 128 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 No comments from Rev. Henry? Nice collection though. Those buckets are what the umbrella bucket at elmer fudd's house look like... I wish someone would teach them officers how to properly display and store firearms... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joebanda1213 59 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 There could be a completely rational explanation for all of this... or he has been missguided in his beleifs and is very passionate to do something bad that he believes is the work of God. Only time will tell and only intervention from friends/family or Police will stop it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stansplace 414 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 They said he was acting erratic. He was observed going to Walmart at 10 or 11 at night and hanging around until 1 or 2 in the morning before he bought weapons and ammunition. WTF is wrong with that? I don't get it........ Sounds like his constitutional rights have been violated to me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 There could be a completely rational explanation for all of this... or he has been missguided in his beleifs and is very passionate to do something bad that he believes is the work of God. Only time will tell and only intervention from friends/family or Police will stop it. If the good pastor"s only "sin" is owning 200 guns, this not an intervention, it is a violation of his Constitutional Rights! As to the religious question on what is the work of God, in Luke 22:36 Jesus said, "...if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 There may be things we don't know, but everything in that story adds up to a whole lot of nothing. Trying to use his tax exempt status to buy guns? What, a church can't have guns? Hanging out too long at walmart before buying guns. OK, what is the time limit for that? I don't see anything in the story except conjecture. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 "Someone told me, 'Guns are legal.' Of course they are," Cimperman said. "But 200 guns and thousands of rounds of ammo for a homeless shelter? That doesn't pass the smell test." <<< That's a good line from a City Councilman. Cleveland Public Safety Director Martin Flask. The guns range from a .44 Magnum handgun to an AK 74 assault rifle. I didn't see an AK in the pic. You would think the paparazzi woulda paraded that at the head of the table. In the eyes of the media all of those guns in the picture are AK-47s 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
physicsnerd 139 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 The whole Wal Mart thing smacks of Napolitano's creepy "If you see something, say something." Something is fishy here. He hasn't been charged with anything yet a lot of personal property was seized/confiscated. Will he get it back? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fumes 84 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 A priest buying guns instead of molesting altar boys, WTF is the world coming to? It's sick I tell ya. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I would be pitching a fucking HISSY if they dumped my guns together like that and SCRATCHED any of them!!!!!!!! FUCK THAT!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackback 135 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Damn, I want to check out that C96 on the far end of the table... I hope they have laws in Cleveland that the police must sell (if they are not to be returned) all seized firearms with a clear serial # so that piece of history survives. Edited February 10, 2011 by 690gr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I didn't see an AK in the pic. You would think the paparazzi woulda paraded that at the head of the table. are you kidding? the paparazzi placed 3 different ak's in the front of that image 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joebanda1213 59 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Im just brainstorming how this thread would be different if he was Muslim Just a Thought They have no legal right but it doesnt bother me them poking around. I would rather people be parinoid suspicous of each other if it stops another Arizona from happening which would tighten down on the firearms community. Then again I assume the worst when I hear speculation. Edited February 10, 2011 by Jbanda1213 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonZo 157 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I don't know about anyone else, but those look like semi-automatic sporter rifles to me. I see no assault weapons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrThunder88 912 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) An incident report describes the visit as a crisis intervention, which according to police policy must end with a psychiatric evaluation, hospital commitment or both. A person is insane until proven sane? Anyway, I don't know enough about this to render a complete opinion, but from what the article says, it seems like the only rule the guy broke was impeding a building inspection. Maybe attempting to use the tax-exempt status was improper if he didn't have permission from the church board or was doing it for his personal collection. I don't think it's fair to characterize his behavior as erratic either. The guy lives in a monastery. Maybe hanging around that Wal-Mart was the highlight of his month. I concede that anyone who thinks he talks to god and owns a weapon is a threat to anyone within that weapon's effective range. However, unless he has some history of mental illness that would indicate he'd have trouble telling delusion from his own conscience, the risk, for most Christian sects anyway, is fairly low. Not to mention that after the first three to five guns a person's formidability sort of plateaus. Edited February 10, 2011 by DrThunder88 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 An incident report describes the visit as a crisis intervention, which according to police policy must end with a psychiatric evaluation, hospital commitment or both. A person is insane until proven sane? Yes. This is the newest way they're taking people's firearms. If one has a large enough collection & believes they may one day have to use one, many have been "evaluated". If you resist & try to leave, you WILL be committed, then being as you have been committed once, you can now never legally purchase firearms again. Not being paranoid here either. There have been several incidences of this posted here. I have personally witnessed this several times while working in Acute Behavioral Health Sciences (Psychiatric) & I know quite a few nurses & Mental Health Therapists from other units who I have spoken with who have seen the same thing in their units. Why do you think conservatives are against Government run healthcare? Doctors have MUCH more power than judges. Doctors can take your rights away with the stroke of a pen & judges ALWAYS will take a Dr's advise over your protest. If the state controls healthcare, seeing cases like this will be MUCH MORE common. Mark my words. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heath_h49008 442 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 There was a very real threat that methods like this could be used to remove the 2nd Amendment freedoms of combat vets by accusing them of suffering from PTSD. Odd how the truly crazy people like the kid in Arizona can slip through, but so many others seem to be getting targeted. Let alone a combat vet who actually fought for this country. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 "Someone told me, 'Guns are legal.' Of course they are," Cimperman said. "But 200 guns and thousands of rounds of ammo for a homeless shelter? That doesn't pass the smell test." <<< That's a good line from a City Councilman. Cleveland Public Safety Director Martin Flask. The guns range from a .44 Magnum handgun to an AK 74 assault rifle. I didn't see an AK in the pic. You would think the paparazzi woulda paraded that at the head of the table. In the eyes of the media all of those guns in the picture are AK-47s 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akastormi 617 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Im just brainstorming how this thread would be different if he was Muslim The Muslim clergyman hid several dozen weapons and thousands of rounds of ammunition in the inner city Mosque, and in nearby buildings on site. A rural farm owned by the Mosque was also raided where hundreds of rounds of ammunition and assault weapons, rifles, and small arms were discovered. No one is quite sure where the clergyman got the money to buy the arsenal. The arms were readily available to the Sunni Muslim congregation. The clergyman's lawyer said all the weapons and ammunition were legal. Police have not charged him with a crime. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akastormi 617 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 With everything I've been following, and asking the people I know in Cleveland. This seems to sum up the whole interest; why, how and with whose money It was absolutely necessary that the spiritual leader of St. Herman's House of Hospitality step aside while authorities investigate why, how and with whose money he amassed an arsenal of more than 200 guns and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition. The way I see it, The Good Lord told him to buy weapons and ammo instead of a new Mercedes-Benz. Who woulda questioned the Rev. John Henry if he showed up in that? That's a nice car you got there Reverend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nutical 16 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) It bothered me for those who teach the words of Christ never ask themselves "WWJD if he has these kind of wealth?" Heck, Jesus definitely won't spend it on Mercedes or Guns. With everything I've been following, and asking the people I know in Cleveland. This seems to sum up the whole interest; why, how and with whose money It was absolutely necessary that the spiritual leader of St. Herman's House of Hospitality step aside while authorities investigate why, how and with whose money he amassed an arsenal of more than 200 guns and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition. The way I see it, The Good Lord told him to buy weapons and ammo instead of a new Mercedes-Benz. Who woulda questioned the Rev. John Henry if he showed up in that? That's a nice car you got there Reverend. Edited February 10, 2011 by Nutical 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BallzFast 4 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) We all need that kind of church maybe I'd go more. i would go to that church. i hope there is a range downstairs for after the sermon..... Edited February 10, 2011 by byron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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