AR-Trvlr 0 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I'm comparing options for the muzzle device of the S12 I'm going to convert. I've got a factory threaded barrel, so I'm going to add some type of US-made muzzle device to make sure I'm on the legal side of things. My options as I see them are: Tromix Shark Brake - Cool looking, and will provide some recoil management. How sharp are the points? Will it be snagging on everything? I like it, but it seems a tad aggressive for my tastes. $85 from MAA (backorder, should be available next week or so) Tromix Flash Hider - No recoil management, but also snag-free. $85 from MAA, available now. Polychoke - No recoil management, but allows for pattern control. $99 from Dinzag, but Dinzag has a stated 2-4 week processing & delivery timeframe. Am I missing any other options? Any opinions of these? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=27977 You left out the Chaos S-12WAVE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
152dbs 0 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 gunsmoke (www.americansaiga.com) has a door breacher style muzzle brake as well. they also have a 2 slot style that is more inline w/ the muzzle brakes that are usually seen on pistols. 2slot style 2slot muzzle brake door breacher style door breacher style pic 1 door breacher style pic 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AR-Trvlr 0 Posted November 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 gunsmoke (www.americansaiga.com) has a door breacher style muzzle brake as well. they also have a 2 slot style that is more inline w/ the muzzle brakes that are usually seen on pistols. Where are these available? They don't list them on their website.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
langenator 1 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 (edited) Dinzag used to offer an AK-74 style brake, but it seems to have disappeared from their site, was well as from Tromix's page showing their various conversion jobs. Tromix also has their competition and Moster brakes, as well. Edited November 6, 2008 by Langenator Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elkhound 91 Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 gunsmoke (www.americansaiga.com) has a door breacher style muzzle brake as well. they also have a 2 slot style that is more inline w/ the muzzle brakes that are usually seen on pistols. 2slot style 2slot muzzle brake door breacher style door breacher style pic 1 door breacher style pic 2 Do they make a muzzle brake for the Saiga .223? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Karma 0 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Tromix Shark Brake - Cool looking, and will provide some recoil management. How sharp are the points? Will it be snagging on everything? I like it, but it seems a tad aggressive for my tastes. $85 from MAA (backorder, should be available next week or so) The Tromix Sharke Brake is pretty sharp. It will tear some flesh if you stab someone with it. However it doesn't snag on anything as long as you keep control of your gun. I keep mine on a 3 point sling and I don't tear stuff up. It does look very aggressive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AtlSaiga 25 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I go more for function over form. I also much prefer muzzle control over hiding flash, is there a preferred break that actually works? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 I am soon renting the tooling to ream out my full choke, and tap the barrel for WinChokes. Eventually I want to get the GunnersChoice choke tubes with their screw on muzzlebreak. A buddy and I are splitting the cost of the tool rental. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wakal 10 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 (edited) There really isn't enough gas pressure at the end of a non-SBS to do any good. Mid-barrel comps, on the other hand, have lots of gas pressure to work with Alex Edited November 7, 2008 by Wakal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bayonet lug 1 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 There really isn't enough gas pressure at the end of a non-SBS to do any good. Mid-barrel comps, on the other hand, have lots of gas pressure to work with Alex COOL!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 If your putting a muzzle device on your gun make it a choke of some kind. I have seen a lot of shooters come to matches with shark breaks and end up putting them on e-bay so they could get a choke on that gun. Many times light shot will not be enough to take on reactive targets using cylinder bore from any shotgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StealthyBlagga 4 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 (edited) Please understand that, due to the low pressures involved and the poor gas seal with shot loads, muzzle brakes are almost totally ineffective on shotguns. They can be functional when mounted mid-barrel. At the muzzle, though, they are really just for show in my experience. Of the options you list, by far and away the most useful is the Polychoke, not least because the pattern out on the Saiga 12 barrel is often very loose and scrappy. If you are going to put something on the end of the barrel, at least make it a functional addition. Edited November 7, 2008 by StealthyBlagga Quote Link to post Share on other sites
surfmaster 5 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 You're so right. A choke is far more valuable than a muzzle brake. It's way more important to control your shot pattern than reduce muzzle flip. Looks like a solution is to install Wakal's muzzle break with a poly-choke. If your putting a muzzle device on your gun make it a choke of some kind. I have seen a lot of shooters come to matches with shark breaks and end up putting them on e-bay so they could get a choke on that gun. Many times light shot will not be enough to take on reactive targets using cylinder bore from any shotgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Most people seem to prefer pie to all other options. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cellsworth 21 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Polychoke - No recoil management, but allows for pattern control. $99 from Dinzag, but Dinzag has a stated 2-4 week processing & delivery timeframe. The slotted Polychokes are available at Saiga-12.com. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aresv 49 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Yes, slotted Polychokes are very much real! I've had one for about a year. It has standard cutts compensator style porting, and it sure as heck directs gas to the side and rear! I think Tromix made or still makes a modified Polychoke with birdcage/phantom style porting. My polychoke doesn't reduce felt recoil by a huge amount, maybe 5-15%. It also doesn't pattern as well as, say, an ultra long gradual choke for an internally threaded sporting shotgun, but it's the only thing that fits on the stock external threads. It's taken quite a few high up, treetop squirrels with the improved modified setting. Cylinder bore would have barely scratched em. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 ....There really isn't enough gas pressure at the end of a non-SBS to do any good. Mid-barrel comps, on the other hand, have lots of gas pressure to work with Alex What was your final opinion based on your experiments with the Cutts as to the percentage of recoil reduction? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wakal 10 Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 ....There really isn't enough gas pressure at the end of a non-SBS to do any good. Mid-barrel comps, on the other hand, have lots of gas pressure to work with Alex What was your final opinion based on your experiments with the Cutts as to the percentage of recoil reduction? Shooting identically set up guns, FH comps in the same place, same gas system, same overall barrel length, same angle porting, and the same ammunition...really not much difference at all. Shooting them without looking (eyes shut), the double comp gun may have been a tiny bit less, but so little difference as to be within the psychological margin of error. However, it does look really damn cool. I have downrange pictures of Fred and I shooting our respect short gas/comp guns at the 3Gun Nationals...I'll upload them and start a new post of "shooting porn" in the Competition section Alex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtnichols 51 Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 I tried 3 different types including one I have for sale, which has a front sight and does reduce recoil and helps keep the front end down,.. a little ($60.00 no shipping charge) But I prefer the poly choke. it gives you a hand when shooting clays, and can be adjusted out to shoot slugs quicker than you can adjust the gas setting from 1 to 2 for slugs,... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
americansaiga 0 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 gunsmoke (www.americansaiga.com) has a door breacher style muzzle brake as well. they also have a 2 slot style that is more inline w/ the muzzle brakes that are usually seen on pistols. 2slot style 2slot muzzle brake door breacher style door breacher style pic 1 door breacher style pic 2 The door breacher style has pictures on the website. I am working on getting on the accesories up to the website with the prices. If anyone is inereested before then just send me an email or pm. They are both available from Russian American Armory as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltham_41 52 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 I went with Tony's shark brake. It just has a sweet mean and nasty look, and although the points are sharp, it doesnt eat up the inside of the soft case that I transport the shotty in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zakmatthews 14 Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Yes, slotted Polychokes are very much real! I've had one for about a year. It has standard cutts compensator style porting, and it sure as heck directs gas to the side and rear! I think Tromix made or still makes a modified Polychoke with birdcage/phantom style porting. He no longer makes the phantom style slotted polychokes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronswin 26 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I have been using the Royal Arms recoil reducer choke/ muzzle brake combo for several months and it works very well. On light birdshot there is not much difference in recoil, but using slugs, buck or heavy game loads such as #4 or 5 shot felt recoil is noticeable less. This system uses a replacement extra length Remchoke style choke tube and the muzzle brake (or compensator if you prefer) threads onto the end of the choke. Brownell's-Royal Arms recoil reducer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronswin 26 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I tried 3 different types including one I have for sale, which has a front sight and does reduce recoil and helps keep the front end down,.. a little ($60.00 no shipping charge) But I prefer the poly choke. it gives you a hand when shooting clays, and can be adjusted out to shoot slugs quicker than you can adjust the gas setting from 1 to 2 for slugs,... Gas Giant, PM inbound to you about your muzzle brake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
polik6887 0 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 for what its worth, I have a fixed flash hider on my 16.5"bbl S-12. even with the short barrel it is noticebly less bright than my freinds 18.5 winchester pump, with the same loads. in a HD situation it is likely gonna be dark, and in a tight hallway. I want my night vision, and my hearing. flash hider for me please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doublehorse 1 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I have been using the Royal Arms recoil reducer choke/ muzzle brake combo for several months and it works very well. On light birdshot there is not much difference in recoil, but using slugs, buck or heavy game loads such as #4 or 5 shot felt recoil is noticeable less. This system uses a replacement extra length Remchoke style choke tube and the muzzle brake (or compensator if you prefer) threads onto the end of the choke. Brownell's-Royal Arms recoil reducer They have about a dozen of choices. Which one fits the Saiga-12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronswin 26 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I have been using the Royal Arms recoil reducer choke/ muzzle brake combo for several months and it works very well. On light birdshot there is not much difference in recoil, but using slugs, buck or heavy game loads such as #4 or 5 shot felt recoil is noticeable less. This system uses a replacement extra length Remchoke style choke tube and the muzzle brake (or compensator if you prefer) threads onto the end of the choke. Brownell's-Royal Arms recoil reducer They have about a dozen of choices. Which one fits the Saiga-12? These will work with your Saiga-12 only if you have the barrel internally threaded for chokes tubes such as Remchoke ( I had mine threaded for Remchoke tubes) or Winchoke. A reputable gunsmith can do this as long as they are aware that the bore is hard chromed and the barrel is not detachable from the receiver. There are a few such gunsmiths on this board who are capable of internal choke threading. Royal Arms chokes are slightly "open" in my measurements of their tubes, so if you want a tight modified go with full. If weight is not an issue I suggest the steel vs. the aluminum recoil reducer as the weight difference is not much and the steel threads seem a bit more durable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Do they make a muzzle brake for the Saiga .223? Tromix makes a VERY effective brake for the rifles. Looks like this... http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=275 Here's a pic of me shooting it the other night. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bayonet lug 1 Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Do they make a muzzle brake for the Saiga .223? Tromix makes a VERY effective brake for the rifles. Looks like this... http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/index.p...products_id=275 Here's a pic of me shooting it the other night. Not the best flash hider. LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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