elukas11 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 I find it interesting that the only people who say good things about this guy are noobs. I'm new to the firearm community (less then two years) i never knew of this forum. I think I came here two months ago after a google search for "saiga conversion"(after seen gabe suarez converted S12 in one of his videos) I actually joined this forum after searching for diabolo arms on google. If you see my join date is the same day I give him my guns July 26(in the miami gun show). Just because I'm new does not mean that I'm not a honest person or have some thing to win from this conversation. You believe what you want... my outcome was this= I got two good guns converted for a good price. Don't get me wrong man. I just mean that it is a fact,that every positive post I have seen was by a noob. Please don't take that personally. Welcome to the forum. And although it is nice that you had a good experience. I ,who have been on this forum doing business with people for many years,did not. It does not change the misery I went through,and that Naveed is going through. Whether he gets his gun or not, this guys business practices are bullshit. Maybe e should just sell locally. The administrator has been made aware of my situation as well as others on this forum. He gave me his word that he would contact him and leave a message Monday. I have a case number with my local PD and I let the administrator know I would not pursue if he is able to return my rifle. If I here nothing this week then I will take all the unanswered emails as well as the emails I have sent the administrator to show the police that I have exhausted all resources trying to contact this guy. Dye Angel, did you ever get a chance and ask him about my rifle? Yes, he is aware of the whole situation going on in here. here are some bad picks with my phone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clifton 354 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 you sure your not DR Christian,,, Dyeangle,,, come on you can tell us... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clifton 354 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 is this you dieangle you silly little monkey you... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elukas11 0 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 you sure your not DR Christian,,, Dyeangle,,, come on you can tell us... R u sure you are not a $%#...... you can also tell us............. PS: All I tried to do is share my experience and this is the shit I get Quote Link to post Share on other sites
naveed 0 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Well I guess Chris doesn't feel he should return customer's items in the order he receives them. It's been over 2 months for me and I'm still waiting. The only time I get to go to the range is during the summer when I'm off from college and I've been shit out of luck because of this fool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) The fact that this guy, with all this negative feedback is still allowed to due business on this forum is the main reason why I feel nervous sending money to people here. I understand that he pays, but his practices hurt the business of the reputable Business Members. That is not an off handed remark... This thread influences my decisions across the board. I can't bring myself to send more than $100.00 to anyone here for fear of losing it . Primarily thanks to this guy. Paul Edited August 21, 2009 by Paulyski Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zenmetsu 17 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 The fact that this guy, with all this negative feedback is still allowed to due business on this forum is the main reason why I feel nervous sending money to people here. I understand that he pays, but his practices hurt the business of the reputable Business Members. That is not an off handed remark... This thread influences my decisions across the board. I can't bring myself to send more than $100.00 to anyone here for fear of losing it . Primarily thanks to this guy. Paul aww c'mon. i am a straight shooter. you can trust me. problem is that I do not have anything worth more than $100 that you would want, other than maybe one of my guns... good luck getting me to part with one of them. Even then my favorite hunting rifle, and my most accurate one, was only $70 when I bought it! Yugo M48 8mm mauser. The thing is a goddamned tack driver! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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naveed 0 Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I filed a theft report with my local police department and am waiting for Orange County Sheriffs to take a ride out there and see what happens. I am waiting on there call and hoping they can get my gun back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
motopolitico 0 Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 BUMP The deadline is near. I am watching to see how this forum deals with its sponsors' questionable business practices. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmax4x4 68 Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) BUMP The deadline is near. I am watching to see how this forum deals with its sponsors' questionable business practices. It's pretty late in the game now anyway. Money makes the world turn. Edited September 6, 2009 by madmax4x4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voonman 133 Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 This mans business advertising is not good for this forum...Saiga forum owner needs to take control and bump his business off this website asap.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coal_forge 15 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 That picture of that weld shows the mans true character lazy. He couldn't even bust out the dremel or let alone a file to clean up the horrible thing he calls a weld. Just because you have some FCAW/MIG welder laying around doesn't make you a weldor. -If you are going to take up a skilled trade... out pride in your work. A. If you do not have the right skills to do the job stop. B. If you do not have the right tools for the job stop. C. If you are to lazy to finish the job or do it correctly stop. D. If you F up Fess up and make it right. (If it is a critical welding job there is no room for F ups) He made it to D without stopping. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zenmetsu 17 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 That picture of that weld shows the mans true character lazy. He couldn't even bust out the dremel or let alone a file to clean up the horrible thing he calls a weld. Just because you have some FCAW/MIG welder laying around doesn't make you a weldor. -If you are going to take up a skilled trade... out pride in your work. A. If you do not have the right skills to do the job stop. B. If you do not have the right tools for the job stop. C. If you are to lazy to finish the job or do it correctly stop. D. If you F up Fess up and make it right. (If it is a critical welding job there is no room for F ups) He made it to D without stopping. If you do not have the right skills, you can always try your hardest and learn. If you do not have the right tools, improvise. If you are too lazy to do things right... then you should not even start. If you f*ck up and do not fess up.. well, dat shit ain't right. I have seen some really impressive work done by those who had no experience or who did not have much in the way of tools to work with. It just takes dedication. I dunno what this guy's problem is. Maybe he does have legitimate issues going on. He should at least be addressing those who are waiting for their property to be returned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 This mans business advertising is not good for this forum...Saiga forum owner needs to take control and bump his business off this website asap.. +1, man. This thread started in June, and here it is, a week into September. Is this guy still paying his Business Member monthly-dues? Did he pay for a few months in advance? Must be one or the other, as he still has a sub-section. That picture of that weld shows the mans true character lazy. He couldn't even bust out the dremel or let alone a file to clean up the horrible thing he calls a weld. Just because you have some FCAW/MIG welder laying around doesn't make you a weldor. -If you are going to take up a skilled trade... out pride in your work. A. If you do not have the right skills to do the job stop. B. If you do not have the right tools for the job stop. C. If you are to lazy to finish the job or do it correctly stop. D. If you F up Fess up and make it right. (If it is a critical welding job there is no room for F ups) He made it to D without stopping. If you do not have the right skills, you can always try your hardest and learn. If you do not have the right tools, improvise. If you are too lazy to do things right... then you should not even start. If you f*ck up and do not fess up.. well, dat shit ain't right. I have seen some really impressive work done by those who had no experience or who did not have much in the way of tools to work with. It just takes dedication. I agree with you on the whole "trying", "learning", "improvising" stuff...........when it comes to someone converting their own gun. But when it comes to a paying customer sending their gun to a company to be professionally converted......that shit doesn't fly. You wanna learn some new techniques or get ballsy and try something new? Try them out on your own gun. Not the gun owned by a paying customer who just wants a quality conversion. That's my $.02 anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elkhound 91 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) I agree, it is time for him to go. Having him as a business member on the board is an implicit vote of confidence in the vendor's abilities. While I would hope that a new member would research any vendor before sending them a gun or money, we could save that person some potential grief by dropping this one now. Just my thoughts. Edited September 7, 2009 by WarriorJudge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
naveed 0 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 I finally got my gun back after filing a theft report. I think the Sheriff's in Florida must've given him a heads up that they were gonna come to get him if he doesn't return my rifle. I sent him a 223 with an msa ar mag adapter and my own muzzle brake. He charged my 325 for installing the muzzle brake, pistol grip conversion, and venting the hand guards. So i get the gun back and the mag adapter is just hammered in. The aluminum on the mag adapter got bent in some areas because he just forced it in. He couldn't thread the barrel but he didn't refund me that money either. He didn't vent the hand guards and he even ended up damaging the plastic on them. What's even worse is he couldn't even do the simple pistol grip conversion. I had to install the spring properly myself for the bolt hold open. I finally got the mag adapter out with a pair of pliers and used a dremel on the inside to make the mag drop free. I finished doing that yesterday and today I'm working on the trunnion. The only good thing that came out of this whole experience is me haveing the confidence to work on my owns guns. Other then that this guy needs to be taken off the forum not only for his poor business practices but his crappy machinist skills. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oxyehho 8 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 I finally got my gun back after filing a theft report. I think the Sheriff's in Florida must've given him a heads up that they were gonna come to get him if he doesn't return my rifle. I sent him a 223 with an msa ar mag adapter and my own muzzle brake. He charged my 325 for installing the muzzle brake, pistol grip conversion, and venting the hand guards. So i get the gun back and the mag adapter is just hammered in. The aluminum on the mag adapter got bent in some areas because he just forced it in. He couldn't thread the barrel but he didn't refund me that money either. He didn't vent the hand guards and he even ended up damaging the plastic on them. What's even worse is he couldn't even do the simple pistol grip conversion. I had to install the spring properly myself for the bolt hold open. I finally got the mag adapter out with a pair of pliers and used a dremel on the inside to make the mag drop free. I finished doing that yesterday and today I'm working on the trunnion. The only good thing that came out of this whole experience is me haveing the confidence to work on my owns guns. Other then that this guy needs to be taken off the forum not only for his poor business practices but his crappy machinist skills. Naveed - I am just so happy you finally got your gun back! Makc - please get rid of Diavolo Arms from this forum. Additionally we need to put this guy onto the Wall of Shame. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 I finally got my gun back after filing a theft report. I think the Sheriff's in Florida must've given him a heads up that they were gonna come to get him if he doesn't return my rifle. I sent him a 223 with an msa ar mag adapter and my own muzzle brake. He charged my 325 for installing the muzzle brake, pistol grip conversion, and venting the hand guards. So i get the gun back and the mag adapter is just hammered in. The aluminum on the mag adapter got bent in some areas because he just forced it in. He couldn't thread the barrel but he didn't refund me that money either. He didn't vent the hand guards and he even ended up damaging the plastic on them. What's even worse is he couldn't even do the simple pistol grip conversion. I had to install the spring properly myself for the bolt hold open. I finally got the mag adapter out with a pair of pliers and used a dremel on the inside to make the mag drop free. I finished doing that yesterday and today I'm working on the trunnion. The only good thing that came out of this whole experience is me haveing the confidence to work on my owns guns. Other then that this guy needs to be taken off the forum not only for his poor business practices but his crappy machinist skills. Glad to see you got your gun back. Are you going to try and get your money back too? Chalk it up to as a loss? So not only is this guy a dick, he sucks at converting Saigas . Double fail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aresv 49 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I dunno what this guy's problem is. Maybe he does have legitimate issues going on. He should at least be addressing those who are waiting for their property to be returned. With legitimate issues come legitimate consequences. It's probably time for Diavolo to cut his losses and close shop. It's long past due for Makc to kick this joker off the site. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greatmoose 4 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 It's long past due for Makc to kick this joker off the site. 100% agree. Just because he's paid a due, doesn't mean he gets carte blanche to rip people off. Cut 'im loose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I finally got my gun back after filing a theft report. I think the Sheriff's in Florida must've given him a heads up that they were gonna come to get him if he doesn't return my rifle. I sent him a 223 with an msa ar mag adapter and my own muzzle brake. He charged my 325 for installing the muzzle brake, pistol grip conversion, and venting the hand guards. So i get the gun back and the mag adapter is just hammered in. The aluminum on the mag adapter got bent in some areas because he just forced it in. He couldn't thread the barrel but he didn't refund me that money either. He didn't vent the hand guards and he even ended up damaging the plastic on them. What's even worse is he couldn't even do the simple pistol grip conversion. I had to install the spring properly myself for the bolt hold open. I finally got the mag adapter out with a pair of pliers and used a dremel on the inside to make the mag drop free. I finished doing that yesterday and today I'm working on the trunnion. The only good thing that came out of this whole experience is me haveing the confidence to work on my owns guns. Other then that this guy needs to be taken off the forum not only for his poor business practices but his crappy machinist skills. You have gotten your gun back, but the situation you are describing still leaves this man a criminal. He charged for services which he failed to deliver, without refunding the money; this is theft by deception. You might consider pursuing him in civil court, or determining if you can have criminal charges pressed against him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
naveed 0 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I really didn't want to resort to going to the cops and I even let MAKC know that I gave him numerous chances to contact me. He didn't seem to understand that, so I had to resort to going to law enforcement. What is crazy is when he contacted me he told me the gun was finished but it was illegal to send to NJ. So he contacted the state police and they said I couldn't have the gun. So I called the Sgt. he talked to and he says you can't have a gun with a bayo lug or flash suppressor in NJ. (Which is true and I do not deny this). So I told the Sgt. , my rifle has neither, and the barrel isn't even threaded nor are there bayo lugs on saiga rifles. So I called him back and told him this. He then tells me he'll ship it to my FFL. So i say "ok, let me have my FFL fax you his license." After about 10 min. I get a call back from him stating that he spoke to the Sgt again and he's saying the rifle is OK to send to me. And then he sent me a tracking number. The whole point is that I don't know if he lied to the Sgt. at first or if the Sgt misunderstood what he asked. So this is one of the main reasons I will not pursue this guy in civil court. I neither have the time (with college and work) nor the money. This guy is a liar though. That much is certain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 This says it all. Any person who welds has AT LEAST an angle grinder. The excess metal adds absolutely no strength to the weld. It would have taken 5 minuets to dress that weld to look professional. Even for a novice. That includes polishing it to a mirror finish. Dude, if you need a fake business to cook the books for so you can launder your illegally earned cash, breed dogs. They are a dependable product, that you can't screw up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voonman 133 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I still have no clue or idea why the forum owner does not get rid of his ass...Why advertise a bad business? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greatmoose 4 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I still have no clue or idea why the forum owner does not get rid of his ass...Why advertise a bad business? So far, they've just said (paraphrased) "He paid his fee, there's nothing we can do". Which makes ZERO sense. So what if he's paid his membership fee? It's not his website. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voonman 133 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I still have no clue or idea why the forum owner does not get rid of his ass...Why advertise a bad business? So far, they've just said (paraphrased) "He paid his fee, there's nothing we can do". Which makes ZERO sense. So what if he's paid his membership fee? It's not his website. So i guess if i open a shotty business i can become a business member here too?... Hmmm ..Kinda makes you wonder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 (edited) I still have no clue or idea why the forum owner does not get rid of his ass...Why advertise a bad business? So far, they've just said (paraphrased) "He paid his fee, there's nothing we can do". Which makes ZERO sense. So what if he's paid his membership fee? It's not his website. So i guess if i open a shotty business i can become a business member here too?... Hmmm ..Kinda makes you wonder I would hope you'd want to open a shotty business if you're dealing with folks on this forum. Otherwise, you'd be ignoring half your clientele . . . Just don't do shoddy work when you do Edited September 9, 2009 by nalioth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunboy69 50 Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 When I started this thread I had already been battling with him for over a month. If you talk to him on the phone you quickly realize you are talking to an idiot. I cant believe he has been allowed to stay here this long. Especially when you see what other people get banned for. The biggest crime on this forum from what I have seen is being a troll,but if you fuck people over,and take their money its cool as long as you never post anything here. I'm not exactly sure what he did to my gun,but it doesn't cycle anymore. It did before I sent it to him,but now it binds up. Originally I was pretty worked up about my situation,but after starting this thread,and hearing Naveeds story he got screwed worse than I did. I have spent time contacting anyone I see post in his section or mention his company and tell them to run for the hills. I shouldn't have to do that,because he should be long gone by now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I still have no clue or idea why the forum owner does not get rid of his ass...Why advertise a bad business? So far, they've just said (paraphrased) "He paid his fee, there's nothing we can do". Which makes ZERO sense. So what if he's paid his membership fee? It's not his website. Sure there's something "they" can do.........they can do exactly what he did; take the money, yet not provide the service. Cut this fucker loose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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