Buy American

[vbrtrmn 167]

So, this topic comes up frequently here, yet many people who post here who claim to be pro-American don't give a shit about buying American products.

 

So, why should you buy American made products?

 

Let's start simply.

 

I have $100 and ...

-- I mail order a pair of shoes from a company in China. That $100 is now owned by the Chinese, it will probably never return to the USA.

-- I buy a pair of shoes from a US company who manufacturers in China. About 10% of that money will probably never return to the USA.

-- I buy a pair of shoes from a US company who manufacturers in the USA. That $100 stays in my country and can be used by another American who understands why you should buy American.

 

You can of course replace China with Mexico, Taiwan, Russia, Indonesia, India, Korea, etc, etc, etc.

 

Further, when your money stays in the USA, the money can be spent by employees to support themselves and their families. Which is better for my country: hungry Americans or hungry foreigners? A liberal would say that I should care about humans no matter where they're from; fuck them, I care about my family, then my friends, then my countrymen, then (possibly) everyone else.

 

So, are you a hypocrite if you purchase anything not made in the USA, such as a Saiga?

It depends on what your personal ethics are, maybe...

I will only purchase US made things. -- This goal is very hard, because there are practically no electronics and very few appliances made in the USA.

I will purchase foreign made things ONLY when there is no US alternative available. -- This is a more reasonable goal and actually achievable (if there were a US-made Saiga, I'd be all over it)

I will do my best to purchase from US owned companies. -- Another reasonable goal and requires less research than the previous.

I will do my best to only purchase from foreign owned companies who manufacture in the USA. -- Many foreign own car companies now manufacture in the USA.

I will do my best to purchase from local businesses. -- Keep the money even closer to home!

...

 

I don't care what your ethics are, just try to stick to them

 

Foreign made products are cheaper than US made products.

Yes, they are less expensive and lower quality. Always remember the old saying, "You get what you pay for." How many Chinese made products have you purchased, which turned out to be junk? I remember back in the 80's when people saw a "Made in China" sticker, the immediate reaction was "Well, this is going to be a piece of shit." China manufactures their stuff not to last, so you have to buy it again and again. Which would you rather buy a Craftsman tool or a generic "made in china" tool?

 

Customer Support

When you purchase something manufactured in the USA, you will generally get support from a fellow American. Otherwise, you either get absolutely nothing or you get to spend an hour on the phone with some douche bag who you can't understand and can't understand you. I live in a very multicultural area, I still can't understand many foreign customer support agents.

 

Declining Middle Class

Until the late 80's the middle class in this country had many manufacturing workers, now, not so much. Big deal, right? Well, yes, those middle class people don't get shifted into the upper class, maybe a few of them, but most of them will wind up in the lower class. The more people in the lower class the more of our rights the government will be able to usurp in exchange for Socialist programs.

 

Terrorism

China has a long history of selling weapons to our enemies, such as the Taliban, our enemies use those weapons to kill .. hmm let's see .. oh yeah, American soldiers. Yes, your $100 isn't literally going to be these purposes, but some of all of our money is essentially going to assassinate some of our most valuable citizens. Anyone remember Norico, why can't they sell in the states any more? During the Clinton administration they were caught, before they were able to sell guns to US gangs and drug rings (yes, I include these at terrorists), which could have been used against rivals, our police officers and fellow citizens. Then later under Bush they allegedly sold missile related goods to Iran.

 

Property

One of the greatest things about the USA is that you can actually own property. I think we all know about Detroit, these days, you can get (for example) a 7 bedroom 4.5 bathroom house for under $65k, because their primary industry dried up, when all the manufacturers moved their plants to foreign countries. If you show companies that you won't buy their foreign made products, what will happen?

 

Still Not Convinced?

Please do some research for yourself.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north238.html

http://www.madeinusa.org/nav.cgi?info/whybuy

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/8194/

there are many many more articles

 

Do you love the USA?

Then please keep your money here, support your fellow country men!

[Garys4598 1,065]

Regarding Property, I don't know. Sure, you can own the deed or whatever document to the land, but you still have to pay the GD state, taxes on it, which means the fucktards can just as readily take it away from you. So. . . .

 

Keep dream'n the dream pal.

 

[sidewinderl 43]

The problem is finding US products to buy

[Lone Star Arms 2,047]

Regarding Property, I don't know. Sure, you can own the deed or whatever document to the land, but you still have to pay the GD state, taxes on it, which means the fucktards can just as readily take it away from you. So. . . .

 

Keep dream'n the dream pal.

 

 

As my father pointed out to me many years ago, "we do not own property in this country, we lease it from the government". Now my dad viewed Republicans as wild eyed liberals, and was prone to pontificating about the way the world really works - but this statement struck me as being a bit extreme - even for my dad.

 

I asked him what he meant, and as he gazed over his personal patch of wild woods and rough Kentucky hill country, he said "You know what happens if I don't pay property taxes on this place?" I thought about it, and I had to admit, he was right.

 

WS

Edited November 16, 2009 by WaffenSchmied

[aresv 49]

Houses are dirt cheap in Detroit because, unfortunately, it's a total shithole. I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but it's true.

 

The rest of Michigan is pretty nice though! Let's hope the economy turns around and Detroit reinvents itself. If you're feeling ultra-optimistic, now might be the time for some real estate speculation.

[camon 233]

The problem is finding US products to buy

 

THIS.

 

Our nation no longer produces tangible products. We trade in debt. So to buy US means to buy mortgages and loans... screw that.

 

WTF happened man... If the rest of the world were suddenly to impose sanctions on us and block all import and export we would be fucked.

 

Think of America as a person. A person always wants their own supply and ability to provide for themselves in case of SHTF. Yet during normalcy we trade with other people(money for food at chilis, etc).

Edited November 17, 2009 by camon

[bigsal 757]

Fist time I've agreed with Vbrtmn... must be a full moon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[elvis christ 451]

Shit, the reason you can't find anything made in the USA is because the government makes its so damned difficult and expensive to do business in the US. I honestly think that a lot of companies would pay the higher wages to keep business in country, if the tax structure wasn't so fucked up. Look at Ireland, they lowered their corporate income tax from close to 50% down to something like 12%, and business from all over Europe flocked there to open manufacturing plants. It did wonders for their economy.

 

Another issue is that a lot people in the US have developed an attitude that their employers are always taking advantage of them, this is especially true of what's left of the manufacturing sector, and in return they purposely lag ass and slack off. I think its got a lot to do with the unions, who are constantly telling people that they deserve more benefits and pay, because that equates to more dues, and more money for the union. I honestly think the usefulness of labor unions was exhausted about 30 years ago. It was a good idea when people basically didn't have a choice to work at a certain place, because a company would run all aspects of commerce in a town, and subsequently was able to do whatever to the people. But that's not the case now. People (for the most part) aren't left with no choice other than to work for a certain company.

[madmax4x4 68]

Should say

-- I mail order a pair of shoes from a company in China. That $100 is now owned by the Chinese, it will return to the USA when they loan it to us.

[scarbrough68289 76]

__POSTED ON WRONG THREAD__

sorry

Edited November 17, 2009 by obake

[Juggernaut 11,054]

I'm very pleased with our very first ALL USA made shirt for Sneaky Bags!!!

 

First time I got to print on USA shirts!!!!

 

 

[jrance@iacwds.com 716]

I am fixing to get flamed and that is fine. I hear the "buy American" the most from Union Fuckrtards that get $25.00 and hour or more plus insurance benefits and etc. to drop out and screw on fenders or some such each day. The unions have had a very large role in making America unproductive, over-priced, and so on. Look at the Ford Plant in S. America that has a number of companies all in the same buidling. The car seats are built there and roll onto thte Ford assembly line when needed, the dashboards and such are completed there (by yet another company) and they roll into the assembly line when needed. They build high quality cars for less because the unions are not there to holler "FOUL". enough of that

 

I have owned my own business for over 30 years and the work ethic of the people has gone from excellent to shit in the last 15 years. My employees seem to feel I am getting rich off of them and need to fuck me to get even. Fact of the matter is that I have kept my business open for the last three years while losing money (because of them) and pay for it out of savings. Fuck them and fuck the unions. I sold the business and somebody else can argue with fucktards that don't want to work and have an entitlement attitude. The average small business is fucked by the government, the employees, and shyster customers. Screw it, I've had enough. Buy American, buy Italian, buy Union, buy non-Union. I dont' give a shit. I'm buying more guns and ammo because this may well blow up in the entitlement bunches face. Said to much. Hope I didn't offend too many but really don't give a shit about that either. I had a 30 year friend vote for Obama because he was a GM union worker who has retired and she didn't want him to lose his health plan. How's that hope and change working for ya? Who now owns GM? You want me to buy your products, byuild something worthwhile and take pride in it. Don't be more concerned about your benefits than my satisfaction as your customer. Want to work in America? How about showing a little old fashioned work ethic asshole.

 

This is not pointed at anyone in particular! The assholes know who they are and I apologize to all the hard working individuals just trying to make ends meet. too much said.

 

1911

[camon 233]

No flaming here 1911, unions were a big factor in destroying our industry.

 

Shit... here in AZ the Frys(aka Kroger) and Safeway unioners were about to strike last week due to contract renegotiation. They wanted to increase starting wage for future hires...

[bigsal 757]

I am fixing to get flamed and that is fine. I hear the "buy American" the most from Union Fuckrtards that get $25.00 and hour or more plus insurance benefits and etc. to drop out and screw on fenders or some such each day. The unions have had a very large role in making America unproductive, over-priced, and so on. Look at the Ford Plant in S. America that has a number of companies all in the same buidling. The car seats are built there and roll onto thte Ford assembly line when needed, the dashboards and such are completed there (by yet another company) and they roll into the assembly line when needed. They build high quality cars for less because the unions are not there to holler "FOUL". enough of that

 

I have owned my own business for over 30 years and the work ethic of the people has gone from excellent to shit in the last 15 years. My employees seem to feel I am getting rich off of them and need to fuck me to get even. Fact of the matter is that I have kept my business open for the last three years while losing money (because of them) and pay for it out of savings. Fuck them and fuck the unions. I sold the business and somebody else can argue with fucktards that don't want to work and have an entitlement attitude. The average small business is fucked by the government, the employees, and shyster customers. Screw it, I've had enough. Buy American, buy Italian, buy Union, buy non-Union. I dont' give a shit. I'm buying more guns and ammo because this may well blow up in the entitlement bunches face. Said to much. Hope I didn't offend too many but really don't give a shit about that either. I had a 30 year friend vote for Obama because he was a GM union worker who has retired and she didn't want him to lose his health plan. How's that hope and change working for ya? Who now owns GM? You want me to buy your products, byuild something worthwhile and take pride in it. Don't be more concerned about your benefits than my satisfaction as your customer. Want to work in America? How about showing a little old fashioned work ethic asshole.

 

This is not pointed at anyone in particular! The assholes know who they are and I apologize to all the hard working individuals just trying to make ends meet. too much said.

 

1911

 

 

 

My brother is the hardest working man I know and he is a member of IBEW. Lots of union people work hard. Collective bargaining is a great way to get paid what you're worth... not what some corporate jack-ass says you're worth.

[elvis christ 451]

I am fixing to get flamed and that is fine. I hear the "buy American" the most from Union Fuckrtards that get $25.00 and hour or more plus insurance benefits and etc. to drop out and screw on fenders or some such each day. The unions have had a very large role in making America unproductive, over-priced, and so on. Look at the Ford Plant in S. America that has a number of companies all in the same buidling. The car seats are built there and roll onto thte Ford assembly line when needed, the dashboards and such are completed there (by yet another company) and they roll into the assembly line when needed. They build high quality cars for less because the unions are not there to holler "FOUL". enough of that

 

I have owned my own business for over 30 years and the work ethic of the people has gone from excellent to shit in the last 15 years. My employees seem to feel I am getting rich off of them and need to fuck me to get even. Fact of the matter is that I have kept my business open for the last three years while losing money (because of them) and pay for it out of savings. Fuck them and fuck the unions. I sold the business and somebody else can argue with fucktards that don't want to work and have an entitlement attitude. The average small business is fucked by the government, the employees, and shyster customers. Screw it, I've had enough. Buy American, buy Italian, buy Union, buy non-Union. I dont' give a shit. I'm buying more guns and ammo because this may well blow up in the entitlement bunches face. Said to much. Hope I didn't offend too many but really don't give a shit about that either. I had a 30 year friend vote for Obama because he was a GM union worker who has retired and she didn't want him to lose his health plan. How's that hope and change working for ya? Who now owns GM? You want me to buy your products, byuild something worthwhile and take pride in it. Don't be more concerned about your benefits than my satisfaction as your customer. Want to work in America? How about showing a little old fashioned work ethic asshole.

 

This is not pointed at anyone in particular! The assholes know who they are and I apologize to all the hard working individuals just trying to make ends meet. too much said.

 

1911

 

Sounds like you needed to get some new workers. At this juncture, there are plenty of people hungry for jobs, I'm sure you could find some people who would be more than happy to do good work.

 

Myself, personally, I don't like to work for large corporations, as they have a way of turning you into a number, and there's no real dialogue between me, as the worker, and the people in charge. Sure, there's a chain of command, which you follow to air your grievances, but you rarely get results. Not that I agree with having some union hack doing the talking for you, I just prefer to work for small business where I can go directly to the boss to voice my concerns.

[Bounce12 407]

 

My brother is the hardest working man I know and he is a member of IBEW. Lots of union people work hard. Collective bargaining is a great way to get paid what you're worth... not what some corporate jack-ass says you're worth.

 

 

Working hard isn't worth shit if you're not more productive. Unions thrive on their members being LESS productive. Then, the business has to hire MORE union members.

 

The best way to get what you're worth is to be more productive. Once you've done that (and you can prove it) other employers will be willing to pay you more and you can move on to bigger and better things. Unions don't want that. They want you to stay right the fuck where you are, depend on them for everything you get, vote for who the hell they TELL YOU to vote for, and pay them dues money.

 

I was in a union, believe me, I know. Union membership is a great avenue to mediocrity.

[Bounce12 407]

I am fixing to get flamed and that is fine. I hear the "buy American" the most from Union Fuckrtards that get $25.00 and hour or more plus insurance benefits and etc. to drop out and screw on fenders or some such each day. The unions have had a very large role in making America unproductive, over-priced, and so on. Look at the Ford Plant in S. America that has a number of companies all in the same buidling. The car seats are built there and roll onto thte Ford assembly line when needed, the dashboards and such are completed there (by yet another company) and they roll into the assembly line when needed. They build high quality cars for less because the unions are not there to holler "FOUL". enough of that

 

I have owned my own business for over 30 years and the work ethic of the people has gone from excellent to shit in the last 15 years. My employees seem to feel I am getting rich off of them and need to fuck me to get even. Fact of the matter is that I have kept my business open for the last three years while losing money (because of them) and pay for it out of savings. Fuck them and fuck the unions. I sold the business and somebody else can argue with fucktards that don't want to work and have an entitlement attitude. The average small business is fucked by the government, the employees, and shyster customers. Screw it, I've had enough. Buy American, buy Italian, buy Union, buy non-Union. I dont' give a shit. I'm buying more guns and ammo because this may well blow up in the entitlement bunches face. Said to much. Hope I didn't offend too many but really don't give a shit about that either. I had a 30 year friend vote for Obama because he was a GM union worker who has retired and she didn't want him to lose his health plan. How's that hope and change working for ya? Who now owns GM? You want me to buy your products, byuild something worthwhile and take pride in it. Don't be more concerned about your benefits than my satisfaction as your customer. Want to work in America? How about showing a little old fashioned work ethic asshole.

 

This is not pointed at anyone in particular! The assholes know who they are and I apologize to all the hard working individuals just trying to make ends meet. too much said.

 

1911

 

 

My dad started a wood working business from nothing. After 35 years, he employed over 40 people. With family members, over 100 people depended on that business for their sustenance.

 

Then, the employees copped the same exact attitude you describe here. They tried to unionize on him and he refused to tolerate it. He told them he'd shut the doors first. Then, suddenly OSHA showed up wanting to inspect his shop (surprise, surprise). He refused to let them in as well. They told him they'd be back with a warrant.

 

My dad shut the doors that day. He sent everyone home and said there was no longer a business there. Have a nice life. I'm done with you mother fuckers.

 

He'd finally had enough. He said, "I started off in this because I love working with wood, but now I spend all my time and effort dealing with bitchy employees who want to own me. Fuck 'em all."

 

He sold the name of the company, sold his patents, and then sold the equipment. Then he leased the building out to other businesses.

[volkov 318]

I try to buy american, but I'm not really willing to go out on a limb and waste all my money in a competitive enviorment and be paralyzed by ethics- I only buy american if the price is comparable (and I buy american cars only)... My feeling is that until our goverment figures crap out and work with import taxes and also making our production more affordable (some unions might not appreciate it), our goverment is the one hurting our product, and it's not my responsibility to waste my time and money correcting a mistake people can't be bothered to vote to fix..

 

But no, I won't settle for a more expensive product when a chinese one is half the price just based on my ethics.. We all have to get by here and I don't have excess money to blow on my principals, nor will I support our industry is our goverment is bending it over and screwing it at every turn- it's a lost cause that I won't suffer for. I hope to god we become competitive again, but I'm not going to invest all my money in it.

 

Until our goverment figures out that if we have nothing to export, we fall out of the international trading loop and into nothing with money no one wants, I think we are pretty much screwed.. I'll vote, but I won't risk all my money on our goverment making a good decision- that's a bet I'm likely to lose, I don't think nothing will happen to help american production until we effectively go down the tubes.. We have way too many laws for liscences, certifications, human resources for us to be competitive.. You can't do anything in this country without getting certified, liscenced, regulated, checked over and over again, taxed into oblivion, unionized it's not a system that will work when we are competing against countries that are far more laid back.. and btw unions are anti capitalist, they use the goverment to garner more support then they should have if it was truly a competitive union vs union or worker vs worker enviorment

Edited November 17, 2009 by volkov

[tover26 18]

I was going through the Cabelas christmas catalog and got depressed. Every item notes "Imported". So I went back through it and finally, I found a Made in USA for...

 

 

 

...socks. We make socks. Everything else was imported. Even the stuff that looks or sounds USA.

[Paulyski 2,227]

Can anyone name any power tools that are made in the USA?

 

Dewalt = China

Hitachi = China

Black & decker =China

Milwaukie = China

Delta USA = China!

 

We could not even build ourselves out of a disaster if not for the tools made in China!!!

 

This is the same communist China that could, with the stroke of one pen nationalize every one of our factories on their soil. Especially if they felt that we were devaluing the dollar so that we wouldn't have to pay them so much of what we are in debt to them for.

 

It is treasonous to let the country into that state of vulnerability!

 

How did America tip the tide of WWII? Our manufacturing base. That's how.

 

We as a nation have sold ourselves out buying cheap Chinese shit & not taxing the shit out of companies that move overseas. Now the dollar is dropping through the floor & we are going to pay the same price for the cheap Chinese shit as we used to pay for quality american goods.

 

We as a nation have nobody to blame but our greedy shortsighted selves.

Edited November 17, 2009 by Paulyski

[whitetrashrn 74]

Union membership is a great avenue to mediocrity.

 

Sooooooo true. After 13 years swinging a hammer, low pay, hard work, no insurance I came to the reality that I wasn't going to make it to 50 working like that. Put myself through school wound up 2nd in a class of 60 (paying yourself is a great motivator). Got a degree in nursing (hence the screen name) worked for 10 years and got a giant eye opening experience getting hired for the State of Pa. Folks getting everything handed to them and still bitching. Everyone has to belong to the Union and it seems like a crime. Some people are still of the belief that they should not have to contribute to their health care I mean yelling and screaming if they have to do a little extra. Running to big momma Union when something doesn't suit them. It's friggen nutts. It all fosters, make more for less. If you work hard and move up the ranks you are an ass kisser. I was promoted on merrit and hard work and didn't have to toung 1 bung. Unions had a purpose at one time but I don't think it is now. Mediocrity is just another term for Lazy. My .02.

[Lone Star Arms 2,047]

I have designed and manufactured American made goods for the better part of three decades, and believe I know why it is difficult to find American made goods. Simply put, the consumer doesn't give a shit where something is made, if there is as little as a 5% price advantage.

 

As a nation we have become spoiled and greedy, willing to sell our own flesh and blood down the river for a better deal on a toaster, television, or tire. We have been conditioned to believe that price means everything, and to hell with the next guy as long as I've got mine.

 

America progressively ceased to be a manufacturing powerhouse during the 70's, 80's, 90's. Effectively, the only things we are now creating on any grand scale are consumerism and debt, and especially consumerism driven by debt.

 

Over the last ten years in particular, and especially since the Bush era bankruptcy "reform", we have become a nation of indentured servants. That's a powerful statement so let me elaborate. As soon as banks and credit card companies had secured statutes whereby a consumer could never expunge a debt through bankrupcy, the perception among lenders was that they just couldn't lose, and they opened the credit floodgates to every warm body with the ability to sign an agreement.

 

Well, the credit has been all but exhausted, and the chickens have come home to roost. America's collective credit card is maxed out, we can no longer escape debt through bankruptcy, and since we don't actually produce anything, we have nothing to fill back in the hole we have dug for ourselves.

 

Perhaps there are few American products that we can buy, but if we are ever going to take our prosperity back, buy them we must. Perhaps we will have to start small, a pair of socks here, a tshirt there, a gun part over there, but we need to use the last bit our our shredded credit to start rebuilding bit by bit, our manufacturing base, and our pride as a country.

 

 

WS

[superA 289]

I am fixing to get flamed and that is fine. I hear the "buy American" the most from Union Fuckrtards that get $25.00 and hour or more plus insurance benefits and etc. to drop out and screw on fenders or some such each day. The unions have had a very large role in making America unproductive, over-priced, and so on. Look at the Ford Plant in S. America that has a number of companies all in the same buidling. The car seats are built there and roll onto thte Ford assembly line when needed, the dashboards and such are completed there (by yet another company) and they roll into the assembly line when needed. They build high quality cars for less because the unions are not there to holler "FOUL". enough of that

 

I have owned my own business for over 30 years and the work ethic of the people has gone from excellent to shit in the last 15 years. My employees seem to feel I am getting rich off of them and need to fuck me to get even. Fact of the matter is that I have kept my business open for the last three years while losing money (because of them) and pay for it out of savings. Fuck them and fuck the unions. I sold the business and somebody else can argue with fucktards that don't want to work and have an entitlement attitude. The average small business is fucked by the government, the employees, and shyster customers. Screw it, I've had enough. Buy American, buy Italian, buy Union, buy non-Union. I dont' give a shit. I'm buying more guns and ammo because this may well blow up in the entitlement bunches face. Said to much. Hope I didn't offend too many but really don't give a shit about that either. I had a 30 year friend vote for Obama because he was a GM union worker who has retired and she didn't want him to lose his health plan. How's that hope and change working for ya? Who now owns GM? You want me to buy your products, byuild something worthwhile and take pride in it. Don't be more concerned about your benefits than my satisfaction as your customer. Want to work in America? How about showing a little old fashioned work ethic asshole.

 

This is not pointed at anyone in particular! The assholes know who they are and I apologize to all the hard working individuals just trying to make ends meet. too much said.

 

1911

 

 

My dad started a wood working business from nothing. After 35 years, he employed over 40 people. With family members, over 100 people depended on that business for their sustenance.

 

Then, the employees copped the same exact attitude you describe here. They tried to unionize on him and he refused to tolerate it. He told them he'd shut the doors first. Then, suddenly OSHA showed up wanting to inspect his shop (surprise, surprise). He refused to let them in as well. They told him they'd be back with a warrant.

 

My dad shut the doors that day. He sent everyone home and said there was no longer a business there. Have a nice life. I'm done with you mother fuckers.

 

He'd finally had enough. He said, "I started off in this because I love working with wood, but now I spend all my time and effort dealing with bitchy employees who want to own me. Fuck 'em all."

 

He sold the name of the company, sold his patents, and then sold the equipment. Then he leased the building out to other businesses.

 

 

 

 

 

Good story Bounce. Sounds like a cool guy.

[BpS12 512]

Would love to and try to, when I can(mostly business wise) but usually can't afford it. Yes the American made stuff is better quality(usually, not always) but I get what I can afford or nothing at all. Better to have something rather than nothing at all. If I did what most American businesses do/are forced to do(via gov/unions), I could afford to buy American, but I wouldn't be in business long. Horsehoeing pays decently, but I am at the lower end of the scale on what I charge and at least I'm still in business, some guys arn't. I'm just trying to make a living, not the killing that some are in it for.

 

As for Unions, I've seen two towns ruined by union greed. People that have most everything(compared to anyone else in the vacinity) and yet they always want more. The greed of the companies doesn't help either. Gotta keep them investors happy.

 

Me, I like silver and guns and preping for the Fall. Having a mobile shop and the skills to go with it, doesn't hurt either.

[SaigaScott 6]

Well hey, maybe if our economy comes back (if), Smith & Wesson will buy Izshmash, and all Saigas will be made in the USA. Won't happen of course, but it's a pipedream.

 

I buy primarily American products *points to his two Chevrolet Silverados*. Yeah some parts are made is mexico and other places, but it's an American brand, and our money helps our American company's. Same thing when it comes to firearms, I try to buy American made firearms, IE, Mossberg, Winchester, Smith & Wesson, etc. And our guns are usually the best quality, and sometimes, best bang for the buck. But if you want a Saiga, (Mind you all, I'm not a pro when it comes to this marketing stuff, like where the money EXACTLY goes) some of you're money is gonna go to RAA, but of course some of it also goes to your gun shop, keeping him in business. And if it's a trade in AK you're buying, ALL of your money is going to your gun shop owner. Kind of like someone buying a Tundra at a Ford dealership that was traded in. So when it comes to firearms, I'm NOT all that picky.

 

It's all in preferences.

 

EDIT:

PLUS if SHTF, it won't matter if your weapon is American or not, what only matters, as all of you know, is your gun FUNCTIONING and keeping you ALIVE! Take a look at all of the guns you own, do you trust your life with every single one?

Edited November 18, 2009 by SaigaScott

[Brair 5]

I agree with most posted here. Many are forge ting oil. Look at the amount of money that goes overseas not to return because of oil. Talk about a capital drain. However it is not the unions that are the source of the problem. It is the entitlement mentality everywhere. Unions seem to distill it I will agree. Part of me likes the down turn right now. Because too many of the gen Y thought having facebook blocked at work was a reason to quit. Too many of that mindset want companies to compete for them with no experience under their belt rather than compete for a job.

[Vultite 57]

okay...what about companies that are based in the U.S. but 90% of their workforce is in a foreign company...why support them? What about a company that is based elsewhere and their workforce is in America?? Right now I purchase whatever fits my needs and helps out my bottom line until I have the means to do otherwise. That could mean buy American, or could mean buy Japanese (that's made in America like the Toyota Tacoma) and save $$ in the long run on repairs...I used to love my Ford, but I can't say it's been the best purchase I've ever made either...

 

Pssst SaigaScott...that Tundra is made here...

Edited November 18, 2009 by Vultite

[SaigaScott 6]

okay...what about companies that are based in the U.S. but 90% of their workforce is in a foreign company...why support them? What about a company that is based elsewhere and their workforce is in America?? Right now I purchase whatever fits my needs and helps out my bottom line until I have the means to do otherwise. That could mean buy American, or could mean buy Japanese (that's made in America like the Toyota Tacoma) and save $$ in the long run on repairs...I used to love my Ford, but I can't say it's been the best purchase I've ever made either...

 

Pssst SaigaScott...that Tundra is made here...

Tundra is assembled here.

[BronCobraJet 80]

I just got off another site that I frequent, and the guys tag line was something like "when 50% of the population realize that they don't have to do anything, because the other 50% will take care of them, and the 2nd 50% realize that it doesn't do any good to work harder to achieve their goals, because they will just be giving it away to the first 50%, then that is the start of the downfall of any nation".

[TO THE FLOOR IN A 63 121]

I try to buy american, but I'm not really willing to go out on a limb and waste all my money in a competitive enviorment and be paralyzed by ethics- I only buy american if the price is comparable (and I buy american cars only)... My feeling is that until our goverment figures crap out and work with import taxes and also making our production more affordable (some unions might not appreciate it), our goverment is the one hurting our product, and it's not my responsibility to waste my time and money correcting a mistake people can't be bothered to vote to fix..

 

But no, I won't settle for a more expensive product when a chinese one is half the price just based on my ethics.. We all have to get by here and I don't have excess money to blow on my principals, nor will I support our industry is our goverment is bending it over and screwing it at every turn- it's a lost cause that I won't suffer for. I hope to god we become competitive again, but I'm not going to invest all my money in it.

 

Until our goverment figures out that if we have nothing to export, we fall out of the international trading loop and into nothing with money no one wants, I think we are pretty much screwed.. I'll vote, but I won't risk all my money on our goverment making a good decision- that's a bet I'm likely to lose, I don't think nothing will happen to help american production until we effectively go down the tubes.. We have way too many laws for liscences, certifications, human resources for us to be competitive.. You can't do anything in this country without getting certified, liscenced, regulated, checked over and over again, taxed into oblivion, unionized it's not a system that will work when we are competing against countries that are far more laid back.. and btw unions are anti capitalist, they use the goverment to garner more support then they should have if it was truly a competitive union vs union or worker vs worker enviorment

 

In the Pacific Northwest we still do have something to export...trees. Unfinished wood that is turned into products abroad and sold back to us. Sorry I am not more knowledgable on the subject but in a nutshell that is what is going on up here.