Big John! 2,062 Posted February 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Pmags here for $18. Where? In stock???? Jensen Arms, Loveland, Co. I don't know if they are in stock any more. At that price, they go fast. Especially when the shop closest to me is selling them for $60. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clifton 354 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Problem is our bread-and-butter, cheap imported weapons and ammo, are the low-hanging fruit in this fight. Very Low hanging, ATF action to stop importation. No 2A involved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronin38 2,117 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 My crystal ball says the senate democrats will take a huge hit from conservatives and the house will continue to get stronger. I only hope we get some GOOD Conservative candidates to choose from! The Republican party is in a pretty sad state these days, imo. They really blew it backing Romney for Pres. Unfortunately I couldn't say for certain any of the other choices would have been "better" by the time the election finished... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 My crystal ball says the senate democrats will take a huge hit from conservatives and the house will continue to get stronger. I only hope we get some GOOD Conservative candidates to choose from! The Republican party is in a pretty sad state these days, imo. They really blew it backing Romney for Pres. Unfortunately I couldn't say for certain any of the other choices would have been "better" by the time the election finished... Agree, but if we don't, then we need to make sure the elected democrats know that they can be replaced by one that agrees with us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 My crystal ball says the senate democrats will take a huge hit from conservatives and the house will continue to get stronger. I only hope we get some GOOD Conservative candidates to choose from! The Republican party is in a pretty sad state these days, imo. They really blew it backing Romney for Pres. Unfortunately I couldn't say for certain any of the other choices would have been "better" by the time the election finished... Roger that! Kristy Kreme will make his bid in '16 and no way I'm voting for his fat ass. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zombiehunter762 376 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 I will not vote for the fat bastard or Rubio. So the GOP needs to get a good candidate or where screwed again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 face the facts, any candidate, be he has a D or R after his name will be a smoldering pile of shit. they are all just out to enrich themselves and their cronies and could give a rat's ass about anybody else. and that is not cynicism but the truth. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remek 771 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 ^^^^ what he said Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted February 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Biggest ripoff of the day at the gun show that I found was a plain ass Colt AR15 for $4200. Then there was the asshole that had MD 20's for $260. The things I've seen at the last couple of gun shows makes me wanna puke. They are truly only fucking themselves. I see most of the same people at different shows and they aren't selling shit. The only people that are making money are the guys that are coming at least close to a normal ammo prices. I was able to pick up 500 rounds of 45 for $200 OTD at the gun show today. Pretty happy with that and think I could have worked an even better deal. Dude is local so I'll work a little harder next time. He had 500 round bricks of 22LR for $80 I snagged 200 rounds of 22LR for $16. Wish that dude would have had more. My son got 500 rounds of 40 for the $160 OTD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtnichols 51 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Things seem to be cooling off,.. and fast. Not sure why exactly, maybe the people have regained their wits. I'll bet ammo comes back around as cheap or cheaper than it was, at least for a little bit. As for those that live in the states getting aggressive, not sure what to say, maybe that the NRA has your back, and also the backing of the firearms industry. Its all a big scam/scare IMHO. However I do believe the situation could change at any moment. And a big FU! to all the jerks trying to gouge gullible law abiding citizens. Seriously a regular AR for 3k?,.. WTF, $100 pmags,..No ammo available? Like someone posted before, wait till the credit card bill is due, then we will see a market correction, FWIW. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Then there was the asshole that had MD 20's for $260. truth be told, that is about the same price Daniels was selling his drums for at the beginning, before PRO-MAG came out with theirs, then he had to either drop his price or sink. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted February 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 This is the kind of Armlist post I want to see. Dude is starting to panic with hundreds of pages of AR's available. Purchased this AR just before X-mas off Armslist. Paid probably too much for the gun, but would like to get some of my money back. Have not shot it since owning. I paid 1500 for just the gun, and purchased the rest of the misc off Armslist as well, including the ammo in the last month or two.Comes with 2 USGI Mags~180 rds Steel cased ammo2 Belt Mag Pouches2 Over-shoulder mag pouches There's a Sig in there right now for $1100. If no stupid gun related shit happens any time soon, I'll have an AR for 1k or less. And at that, I'm probably paying too much. I'm banking on these gouging fuckheads losing their asses. Hope I'm right. The best advice I feel anyone can take right now, is that if you have it to flip, you better get it flipped soon. To the gougers out there... Don't worry, I'lll be here to give you what you paid or less for your gun. For the morons that paid 3k plus and helped with the inflation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mostholycerebus 415 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 This is the kind of Armlist post I want to see. Dude is starting to panic with hundreds of pages of AR's available. Yep. I knew when this hit in late December, 30-45 days later all those CC bills would come due, and all the broke idjits who panicked and overpaid will be just as hot to sell off and pay down their 22% interest cards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyE 81 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 I was just at the Nation's Gun Show in Chantilly VA, (30 mi W of DC) and saw Colt LE6920's priced at $2,499. 33 round Glock 9mm mags (geniune Glock, not Korean) at one of the larger vendors were price at...$129. Other Glock mags were running in the $40's.30 round gen 2 PMAG's we $40 and up. 5.56/.223 ammo was $1.00 to $1.10 per round. I'm gonna sit back and relax for awhile. Happy to see that SGM 12 round Saiga 12 mags were $50. All plus tax, of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted February 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 I was just at the Nation's Gun Show in Chantilly VA, (30 mi W of DC) and saw Colt LE6920's priced at $2,499. 33 round Glock 9mm mags (geniune Glock, not Korean) at one of the larger vendors were price at...$129. Other Glock mags were running in the $40's.30 round gen 2 PMAG's we $40 and up. 5.56/.223 ammo was $1.00 to $1.10 per round. I'm gonna sit back and relax for awhile. Happy to see that SGM 12 round Saiga 12 mags were $50. All plus tax, of course. Sucks but gun shows and gungobroker are the worst places to look for guns at this time. People were walking by looking at AR's and laughing today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garnaz 215 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 NY, Cali, Colorado, the eastern states are next, and here in Illinois they are just getting started.Obama couldnt win at the federal level, so now he's going state to state applying pressure to get state bans passed. When that happens, he'll campaign next year that 'the majority' of states have 'seen the light' and passed 'common sense' laws, so why not enact them country wide?Cali and NY were the easy ones, I think Illinois is going to be the battlefront, unless NRA just lets them steamroll us. We're a red state controlled by a Blue city and Blue politicians, there will be a lot of backlash against a ban. We JUST got SBRs and soon CCW here, no gun owner is ready to take a few steps back after the success we've seen. How could it be the nra to blame if your fellow statesmen keep voting in anti 2nd representatives. The nra is a loud voice but the people need to be heard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zombiehunter762 376 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 The eastern states huh... I don't think that BS will see light of day in FL. And if it ever does there is going to be one hell of a s**t storm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mostholycerebus 415 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 The eastern states huh... I don't think that BS will see light of day in FL. Florida isnt an eastern state, Florida is a category all its own. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted February 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Olympic Arms AR 15's in stock in Fort Collins Co for $899. I love it. Well except for the part that I just paid $1200 for one. I'm ok with my buy and hope that this puts the hurt on the gougers. Pmags all day long as well $20. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slippingaway 89 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I have a secret fantasy. I don't know if I even dare say it... I dream that the panic buying of ammo will entice manufacturers to ramp up production and then when the panic dies down there will be excess, resulting in (I quiver as I write this...) cheap and available ammo. There. I said it. If wishes were horses... we'd all be eating horse-steak and riding on rainbows. Whatever that means. I'm hopeful too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
semper299 284 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Its calming. The problem is that suppliers are still behind on the raw goods that manufacturers need to make stuff. Once that inventory is back up, and folks can start getting the materials they need, then the prices will normalize again. As for the Russian stuff, I wish I knew. If anyone knows the current state of Izhmash, that might give us a clue when shipments will start rolling in here. It will take a while for those prices to come back down, just simply because no one has any and the flow will probably be a trickle at best. Once everyone quits panic buying all the Saiga's, then the vendors will get overstocked and we may see the IZ240 and 340 back under $500. I am hopeful anyway, but I would not expect those prices for at least 6 mos or so. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dunedain 44 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Olympic Arms AR 15's in stock in Fort Collins Co for $899. I love it. Well except for the part that I just paid $1200 for one. I'm ok with my buy and hope that this puts the hurt on the gougers. Pmags all day long as well $20. That shop has .223 AR-15's available in stock for $899 and all the 30 round P-mags you want for $20 a piece? If so, that's great news, and nice to see supply maybe starting to catch up just a bit with demand. Now if Colt would just quickly increase their raw manufacturing capacity for mil-spec bolt carriers by 4x, we'd be ok. It's going to be fun to see how many guns and how much ammo the entire U.S industrial base can make per month once everyone is running at 110% in 24 hour shifts. We should be near that point by now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 once the market is really softening I'm going to get about 50 emails saying ammo, mags and guns are back in stock from a bunch of different vendors. Hasn't happened yet... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigdust80 10 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Well, I've been religously checking ammoseek to stay on top of ammo prices. I'm in the market for .223/5.56. The price of M193 has dropped from .90/rnd on the low side to .80/rnd on the low side. I think things are starting to stabilize. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dunedain 44 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Well, let's hope the manufacturers aren't stupid and go back to normal production levels once they think that demand has slacked off. What we need a *huge* overstock of semi-auto rifles and the most needed calibers (.223 and .308 especially), so if there's a problem later, this time they are prepared with giant warehouses stuffed and ready to go. On top of that, the importers need to get some big cargo ships filled with crates of Saigas and 7.62x39, 5.45x39, .223 and .308 ammo coming in from Russia and eastern Europe as fast as possible at low costs negotiated due to the size of the orders. If needed, grease the wheels of the bureaucracy with money and liquor to make it happen without interference. =) Edited February 16, 2013 by Dunedain 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voltia 375 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Um, going back to normal levels when the demand slows is not stupid; it's good business. People seem the think that businesses need to have inventory waiting for spikes to take advantage of rush customers and satisfy every sale. That is what a customer wants, not what a business wants. A business does not want stuff sitting in inventory, getting old, gumming up, maybe rusting. The best thing to do is have a steady supply, but a higher demand. You may be upset that you can't get Gun X cause they're all sold out. You may hate the gougers, the snatchers, and the company that made it, but deep down, you WANT that thing. And that arms company knows that. They know that the customers will be there, waiting eagerly, when they get to them, so they'll use you for the best deal they can get. It costs much more money to crank out much more product. Materials are the same, but you have to buy more equipment and hire more people to run FASTER, or work your people longer, paying them OT and eventually pissing them off with overwork, to run LONGER. So, no, they're not going to crank out shit and let it sit in a warehouse betting on the next spike. They don't care about getting every sale out there immediately; they'll still be there later. And no, those people won't just "buy from someone who has the sense to meet demand" because those businesses overextend and go under. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remek 771 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) I think you'd be surprised. These guys do know that oversupply is good, especially from this shortage. With people paying 3x the price for things just to have/stock up, if I were running a business and ran out of my stock, and knowing the attacks will not stop for 4 years at a minimum, I'd take care of any lull, with filling up my supply to meet demand for the next upcoming shortage. Mao hit the ground running on this industry, and every Tom, Dick and Harry knows that this is his axe to grind. Why not take advantage, when you can sell something for 3x the price today (or at the next full court press), rather than wait to have a chance to sell something on a steady flow years down the road at 1x the price, and also have to worry about inflation making that 1x worth less than it was worth today. Moreover, I have only field of experience to speak from, the fishing industry, but its definately clear that the businesses in that industry will fish out every fish of a species to make a buck today, rather than try to grow a harvest for next year. Contrary to what is being argued about logical businesses, there is no such beast: profit, and profit now, is what they want overwhelmingly. Edited February 16, 2013 by Remek Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timy 1,185 Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Well, let's hope the manufacturers aren't stupid and go back to normal production levels once they think that demand has slacked off. What we need a *huge* overstock of semi-auto rifles and the most needed calibers (.223 and .308 especially), so if there's a problem later, this time they are prepared with giant warehouses stuffed and ready to go. On top of that, the importers need to get some big cargo ships filled with crates of Saigas and 7.62x39, 5.45x39, .223 and .308 ammo coming in from Russia and eastern Europe as fast as possible at low costs negotiated due to the size of the orders. If needed, grease the wheels of the bureaucracy with money and liquor to make it happen without interference. =) Unfortunately, your post is an outstanding example of "wishful thinking". 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 One thing to remember is that this panic ocurred during the off season for ammunition manufacturers. Most manufacturers reduce production after the hunting season rush, as there's not as much demand during the rest of the year. The panic hit the supply pipeline at it's lowest point, instead of at it's highest. Now if it had hit in August, the suppliers would have been in full balls to the wall production for hunting season, and would have continued producing until the panic was over. There would then be glut once things died down. So it was a worst case scenario. Store shelves were empty from the hunting season sales, and ammo suppliers had their lines shut down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voltia 375 Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Remek, I work in production engineering in the automotive field. Cars are assemblies of parts, mostly metal, like guns, so they have the same sort of issues. My employer has the "strike zone," they call it, of inventory they want to keep, which is measured in X days of normal selling, and that varies based on the particular car, and the overall demand. To make more, we work overtime. If demand is sustained, we increase the line speed, and that means that each person can only do 85% or so of what he did previously, so you have to hire more people and train them to fill the holes. It's expensive. Then, if demand slacks off, you have to pay those extra people, or lay them off. My company doesn't lay people off, so speeding up the line is a heavy decision. From my colleagues in the firearms industries, they're the same way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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