clubsoda 0 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Pauly has cashed my check going a year now! His number has been disconnected! No response! WTF! I forgot to add I received no finished products either. Link to post Share on other sites
0 mmad 9 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Nothing so far. Doubt will hear anything. The surveys have steadily been coming in still. 23 at this point. End of May and that's my one year mark since I've been waiting for my parts. That's also when I'm going after my parts (and everyone else's). Hey Paul...you owe people parts...or parts and money...or finished parts. Here...this may be more organized than what you have goin' on right now. A lot of these surveys have interesting comments as well. $210 4/29/2014 3:09 PM View respondent's answers $220 4/23/2014 8:18 PM View respondent's answers $174.96 4/22/2014 11:13 PM View respondent's answers $99.99 4/21/2014 3:12 PM View respondent's answers $250.00 4/20/2014 10:13 AM View respondent's answers $250 4/18/2014 7:36 AM View respondent's answers 313.99 4/18/2014 6:06 AM View respondent's answers $200 4/17/2014 9:37 AM View respondent's answers $320 4/16/2014 2:31 PM View respondent's answers $185 4/16/2014 5:41 AM View respondent's answers $380.00 4/15/2014 12:48 PM View respondent's answers $99.00 4/14/2014 11:40 PM View respondent's answers $79.99 4/14/2014 2:09 PM View respondent's answers $100 4/13/2014 11:54 AM View respondent's answers 200 4/13/2014 8:41 AM View respondent's answers $300 4/12/2014 2:27 PM View respondent's answers $375 4/12/2014 12:46 PM View respondent's answers $240 4/12/2014 10:48 AM View respondent's answers $112.50 4/12/2014 10:22 AM View respondent's answers $360 4/11/2014 9:44 PM View respondent's answers Between $170.00 and $300.00. 4/11/2014 9:31 PM View respondent's answers $112.49 4/11/2014 8:35 PM View respondent's answers $100 4/11/2014 7:07 PM View respondent's answers Link to post Share on other sites
0 MightyLordRay 94 Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 Last I saw, there were a few individuals that have parts dating to almost 2 freakin' years with Paul. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE YOU POS! Link to post Share on other sites
0 hellknighthicks 9 Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 So sounds like were never seeing our parts again huh.... This really sucks Link to post Share on other sites
0 Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 (edited) $210 4/29/2014 3:09 PM View respondent's answers $220 4/23/2014 8:18 PM View respondent's answers $174.96 4/22/2014 11:13 PM View respondent's answers $99.99 4/21/2014 3:12 PM View respondent's answers $250.00 4/20/2014 10:13 AM View respondent's answers $250 4/18/2014 7:36 AM View respondent's answers 313.99 4/18/2014 6:06 AM View respondent's answers $200 4/17/2014 9:37 AM View respondent's answers $320 4/16/2014 2:31 PM View respondent's answers $185 4/16/2014 5:41 AM View respondent's answers $380.00 4/15/2014 12:48 PM View respondent's answers $99.00 4/14/2014 11:40 PM View respondent's answers $79.99 4/14/2014 2:09 PM View respondent's answers $100 4/13/2014 11:54 AM View respondent's answers 200 4/13/2014 8:41 AM View respondent's answers $300 4/12/2014 2:27 PM View respondent's answers $375 4/12/2014 12:46 PM View respondent's answers $240 4/12/2014 10:48 AM View respondent's answers $112.50 4/12/2014 10:22 AM View respondent's answers $360 4/11/2014 9:44 PM View respondent's answers Between $170.00 and $300.00. 4/11/2014 9:31 PM View respondent's answers $112.49 4/11/2014 8:35 PM View respondent's answers $100 4/11/2014 7:07 PM View respondent's answers just out of sheer curiosity I added it up, it's $4,982.92 so far. that's just the money. now, if you figure how much 22 - bolts and carriers run. for shits and giggles lets say it's 300 bucks ea, that's $6,600, total of this is $11,582.92 wow. and that's just the people so far, I'm betting there a lot more people, he ran it for a good long while Edited May 7, 2014 by Matthew Hopkins Link to post Share on other sites
0 chevyman097 2,579 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 So sounds like were never seeing our parts again huh.... This really sucks Yep its pretty sad this low life manipulated this forum and all his customers. At this rate is doesnt look like the worthless D-bag is going to do one thing to try and return any parts to customers. I hate it for you guys. But it looks like you have all been robbed. Good Luck with whatever you guys can do. Link to post Share on other sites
0 cguiro 29 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 I would honestly hold out to your rifles buy an r&r carrier and wait for someone to make a bolt here in the usa. Otherwise parting out maybe your only option Link to post Share on other sites
0 Shandlanos 1,470 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 These guys are going to have some unspecified parts for sale soon:http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/93837-saiga-iz-109-shotguns-availableparts-coming-soon/Mayhap bolts and carriers will be among the offerings? Link to post Share on other sites
0 JohnnyE 81 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) Anyone trading in parts that belong to others (like the BCGs listed above) may be investigated for receiving stolen property. Sellers and buyers alike, be very careful! OTOH, anyone aiding in the recovery of missing property may be rewarded, and certainly not charged under the law. Edited May 8, 2014 by JohnnyE Link to post Share on other sites
0 Shandlanos 1,470 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 I presume that a reputable company like the one linked above is not receiving people's used, serialized, stolen parts to resell, but has secured a shipment of spare parts from Izhmash, 2 Link to post Share on other sites
0 JohnnyE 81 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Agreed, especially since the parts Pauly took in are all serialized. Having observed that obtaining replacement parts from Izhmash is neigh impossible, I am exceptionally curious. The only source of genuine Izhmash parts in this country of which I am aware is used guns being parted out. I cast no aspersions and make no allegations, and only believe that folks need to be very cautious regarding their parts sourcing. There are lots of things a person can do that may cost them the right to own firearms. Link to post Share on other sites
0 Shandlanos 1,470 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Small shipments of spare parts have come in before. They're rare, and tend to be expensive - however, there is precedent. Link to post Share on other sites
0 Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted May 8, 2014 Report Share Posted May 8, 2014 Agreed, especially since the parts Pauly took in are all serialized. serial number on parts can easily be scrubbed, which is legal to do as it's only parts not a receiver. Link to post Share on other sites
0 JohnnyE 81 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) Agreed, especially since the parts Pauly took in are all serialized. serial number on parts can easily be scrubbed, which is legal to do as it's only parts not a receiver. Well, that would leave a mark...and the stamped marks would be recoverable. The FBI, among others, is good at that. Sure, they're not receivers, but just like stolen TV's, they can be traced, and then a crime may be established. States attorneys tend to have a "thing" about crimes involving firearms. Edited May 9, 2014 by JohnnyE Link to post Share on other sites
0 Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) States attorneys tend to have a "thing" about crimes involving firearms. true, but in this case there are no firearms, just parts, call me cynical, but after seeing how the "justice system" basically gave a pass to the gooch, who did steal firearms and money to the tune of 10s of thousands of dollars, I wouldn't be holding on to any hope for a knight in shinny armor coming to the rescue over some parts. I suppose the people that lost billions with Madoff thought that they would get their money back too, and we see how that turned out. Edited May 9, 2014 by Matthew Hopkins Link to post Share on other sites
0 magsite20 1,664 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 their thing might be bitch slapping Pauly, (there's your justice) but chances are getting the evidence / evil gun parts returned to the owners won't be part of their thing (there's the problem with the system) I'm still thinking if you want parts you need to go to civil court, if you want justice try criminal court. Link to post Share on other sites
0 gunman1 1,753 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 their thing might be bitch slapping Pauly, (there's your justice) but chances are getting the evidence / evil gun parts returned to the owners won't be part of their thing (there's the problem with the system) I'm still thinking if you want parts you need to go to civil court, if you want justice try criminal court. I'm thinking a good choking in the middle of the night might accomplish both Link to post Share on other sites
0 tp1 5 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) Hello All, First time post but I just found this thread. I also sent a bolt and carrier to pauly 09/13. I plan to follow through with survey mentioned on previous page. Please add me to the list. -Tom Edited May 9, 2014 by tp1 Link to post Share on other sites
0 tp1 5 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Also, I was slightly naive when I sent my bolt and carrier and didn't note the serial number. Would the same number be list on my gun to reference? Sorry if this is a dumb question. I have proof of cashed check and email communications, just not the serial number. Thanks for all the information. -Tom Link to post Share on other sites
0 Maknwar 33 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 It's the same number on the reciever. Link to post Share on other sites
0 jdtravers 637 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Last 3 numbers of the serial number. Link to post Share on other sites
0 termite 463 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Maybe all you guys should invite Pauly to a "bag party". They are pretty common down here, and "very" enjoyable. Link to post Share on other sites
0 tp1 5 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Thanks! That makes me #404. Link to post Share on other sites
0 cguiro 29 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Has anyone gotten anywhere with him? Im surprised no one local has payed him a visit. Cant be to hard to find. From his youtube channel we all know he drives a late model white caddi and have a proximitey of his location from when you shipped your parts. Look into rehabs and bars. Ask around town, local gun shops, call the bank where he cashed your check and see if he still has an open account..something.... seriously if I wasnt in NJ i would do it myself just for the principal. Link to post Share on other sites
0 Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Has anyone gotten anywhere with him? Im surprised no one local has payed him a visit. Cant be to hard to find. From his youtube channel we all know he drives a late model white caddi and have a proximitey of his location from when you shipped your parts. Look into rehabs and bars. Ask around town, local gun shops, call the bank where he cashed your check and see if he still has an open account..something.... seriously if I wasnt in NJ i would do it myself just for the principal. Ok then what? you find him ask for your money and parts and he says fuck you. what's your next move? threats? physical violence? if you don't know how that story will end, I do. cops called you are charged with communicating a threat/menacing/assault etc... if you're intent is to call the cops after he says fuck you, then they'll come out write a report, and tell you it's a civil issue, take him to court Link to post Share on other sites
0 cguiro 29 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Atleast you have a report , address, and documentation. Right now you guys lack those things it seems like. And its not a civil suite.. its criminal due to theft by diception. You all have cashed checks and no parts you have the documentation but what do I know. Link to post Share on other sites
0 Shandlanos 1,470 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 There are valid civil AND criminal complaints here.If he's criminally charged, there's no guarantee even on conviction that a criminal court would do anything to ensure the property was returned to its rightful owners. Civil proceedings would have been nice - but it seems the time for that has passed, and now he gets to deal with both the civil and criminal courts (if people bother to sue to try to get their shit back). Link to post Share on other sites
0 JohnnyE 81 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 States attorneys tend to have a "thing" about crimes involving firearms. true, but in this case there are no firearms, just parts, call me cynical, but after seeing how the "justice system" basically gave a pass to the gooch, who did steal firearms and money to the tune of 10s of thousands of dollars, I wouldn't be holding on to any hope for a knight in shinny armor coming to the rescue over some parts. I suppose the people that lost billions with Madoff thought that they would get their money back too, and we see how that turned out. I'm as cynical as you, and more than the next guy. One difference between BCG's and most gun parts is at least BCG's have serial numbers. If we were trying to recover the same quantity of stocks, forearms, and so forth, since those things are not numbered, who can say that a bin full of those parts are OUR parts. BCG's, because they are numbered, can be linked to individual owners, whether Pauly still has them, they have been sold off, or whatever. Either way, the numbers make it easier (not easy, just easier) to build a case, and get the parts returned. Also, looking at the last several posts, sure, an encounter on the street that that ends with mutual F-you's may not. in and of itself, get the parts back, but it would ratchet up the heat, which is sorely lacking right now. Link to post Share on other sites
0 swimbikerun247 1 Posted May 13, 2014 Report Share Posted May 13, 2014 Quite frankly, I'd prefer an F U right now as opposed to this silence or this everyone will get their parts back but I'm broke mess. Link to post Share on other sites
0 swimbikerun247 1 Posted May 13, 2014 Report Share Posted May 13, 2014 Does anyone have a last known location or jurisdiction? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
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Pauly has cashed my check going a year now! His number has been disconnected! No response! WTF!
I forgot to add I received no finished products either.
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