Bvamp 604 Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Yeh, the DIY parts kits will be available out of the first production run or so, with the initial pieces all being hand made by Tom Cole and fitted to customer guns first to work out any issues that are unforseen. So get on the list if you want us to install one in your gun, or call Vicki up during normal hours (I dont do the credit card machine, or Id say you can call me too if she is busy at the time) and place your DIY kit order, and things look good for on time delivery at this point. Tom is still taking reasonable turn around times for builds as well as just the installation of this part in your gun, so do consider having him install the part for you at this point. We dont want to see a bunch of rumor starting because its a new part and a few people made mistakes and installed the thing improperly. It IS a new thing, so the rumor mill is decidedly empty at this point, which is good, and we'd prefer to keep it that way. The R+D is 99% done, really its just waiting on the patent so the mass production of the parts can start, at this point. We all really do appreciate you not asking a lot of questions outside of the norm for a new part, and trust in Tom to deliver a good part to market. That really saves Vicki, especially, a lot of time on the phone. Everything looks on track, a week into the public announcement....no surprises yet 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VanKiller 322 Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 This thread is gonna make the best August Fools Days joke ...ever.................................................... Just kidding.................the mass production version is being quoted out today...............if they can do it to suit me. VK 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vintagedude88 16 Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Just a little unclear about the process of sending th gun in for the work to be done. So I call Ms. Vicki and get an SO number then ship it to CGW, then Tom does the install and CGW sends the gun directly back to me? No FFL involved? Yes? How long is the turnaround time? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 correct, as the gun is gunsmithing, there is no change in ownership, but it does have to return to the address we bill you to, and from whence it came from.....not the door up the way, not your summer home, but where you shipped from, and to YOU. keyword - NONTRANSFER of ownership. legal if you have a legitimate manufacturers license of firearms and answer to the BATF, of course.... we will see how it looks monday, for backlog. this weekend and the last days have shown a definate increase in calls and orders, so we will see then for timing. Tom is going to get REAL busy here, so I will try to keep you guys posted every couple of days or so, if he cannot.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) correct, as the gun is gunsmithing, there is no change in ownership, but it does have to return to the address we bill you to, and from whence it came from.....not the door up the way, not your summer home, but where you shipped from, and to YOU. keyword - NONTRANSFER of ownership. legal if you have a legitimate manufacturers license of firearms and answer to the BATF, of course.... This really is nice. It's much more convenient to skip the hassle, (and expense), of going through a FFL. Most of the best biz members on this site are licensed firearms manufacturers. E.g. I was able to receive my gun directly back from LSA when I had them work on it. I can't wait to see some customer feedback and testing on Tom's LRBHO. I also eagerly anticipate a customer DIY video using the kit, (I'd rather do it myself for the difference in price). Edited July 31, 2010 by post-apocalyptic 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
veprk 12 Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 HAHA, its about damn time! Matter of fact, my 108 rear sight pin fell out and I lack the skills,tools, and opposable thumbs to get the job done. Maybe a modification while off on warranty? Please tell me md arms and cadiz have worked together with they're awesome up and coming products. DS & LRBHO? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) correct, as the gun is gunsmithing, there is no change in ownership, but it does have to return to the address we bill you to, and from whence it came from.....not the door up the way, not your summer home, but where you shipped from, and to YOU. keyword - NONTRANSFER of ownership. legal if you have a legitimate manufacturers license of firearms and answer to the BATF, of course.... This really is nice. It's much more convenient to skip the hassle, (and expense), of going through a FFL. Most of the best biz members on this site are licensed firearms manufacturers. E.g. I was able to receive my gun directly back from LSA when I had them work on it. I can't wait to see some customer feedback and testing on Tom's LRBHO. I also eagerly anticipate a customer DIY video using the kit, (I'd rather do it myself for the difference in price). +1 Yeah... I'm a cheap broke bastard too. Edited July 31, 2010 by Paulyski Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 I'm anxious to give this a try myself. I enjoy working on my guns, so I would like the DIY kit when it is available. This place is so awesome, addictive and expensive. It seems like every few months something cool comes out that I have to have. In the last moth or so, I've ordered my HK sights and pre-tapped top rail from Chaos, the auto adjusting gas valve from TAC 47 and now I've got to order this. When does the invention of really cool and innovative S-12 parts end? Hopefully NEVER!!! Though I'm sure the wife hopes for something different. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DINK 1 Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 My S-12 is an older gun that never had a BHO and the receiver isn't slotted for it. Will this make any difference in price or procedures when I get your LRBHO installed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 My S-12 is an older gun that never had a BHO and the receiver isn't slotted for it. Will this make any difference in price or procedures when I get your LRBHO installed? I asked the same question and Tom responded that there was no problem installing it in guns without the manual BHO. I took that to mean that price and procedure were the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VanKiller 322 Posted August 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 You are right,just will have to trim the hammer width some. I'm trying to keep this thing as simple as possible. And the same unit looks good for the 20 ga. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 Here's the "Something Special" I promised. Works with any current production mag/drum with no modifications. Replaces the current manual BHO. One quality steel part and one replacement spring. Minimal machining, I use a milling machine, but a dremel-meister can do it. Automatically locks bolt open when the last round is fired. $150 plus $20 return shipping to the lower 48. $50 plus $5 shipping for the parts set. VK, So, it is $150 plus return shipping for you to install it on a customer's weapon .... and $55 shipped for the parts, DIY You are my hero! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrGonZo 157 Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykpjFjsEdl4 I just got off the phone from ordering my LRBHO DIY kit!!!! I can't wait for it to get here!! THANKS CGW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raidersfan_5544 57 Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 I am wanting one of these on my sbs! What type of hurddles are there to jump through in order to ship a sbs? Or am I better off getting the DIY kit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hobbyshooter 59 Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 I am really interested in the LRBHO with the auto bolt close. That will be the answer for competition! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VanKiller 322 Posted August 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 I am really interested in the LRBHO with the auto bolt close. That will be the answer for competition! The same unit will be used for either application, it's just a matter of changing the angle of the face of the hold open and polishing the face out. Maybe dropping the spring tension a bit. I'm liking the latest upgrade, I put a side button on the reciever and cut the safety lever to engage the button . When the safety is fully engaged it trips the bolt closed. This does require a small slot to be cut in the side naturally. Up until this point there was no external modification to the weapon. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Tom, I'm going to PM you my personal cell number. I want to discuss the bolt release for this unit. You are probably aware I have one on one of my 12's with a LRBHO. I don't want nothing, just want to tell you how I did it as an option for you to ponder, if you like please feel free to incorporate it. My design is super simple. This design has been sitting around waiting for a few years on a LRBHO... It is an ambidextrous design and can be set up 4 different ways. It can offer a lot of pressure for unlocking and you may not have to lessen your spring tension. I think I know how you pulled off your lrbho by one of your comments and that is ingenious if my ASSuming is correct. Also I have a very good source for laser cutting and CNC forming all in one house if your interested in a possible manufacturing contact... 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackback 135 Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Tom, I'm going to PM you my personal cell number. I want to discuss the bolt release for this unit. You are probably aware I have one on one of my 12's with a LRBHO. I don't want nothing, just want to tell you how I did it as an option for you to ponder, if you like please feel free to incorporate it. My design is super simple. This design has been sitting around waiting for a few years on a LRBHO... It is an ambidextrous design and can be set up 4 different ways. It can offer a lot of pressure for unlocking and you may not have to lessen your spring tension. I think I know how you pulled off your lrbho by one of your comments and that is ingenious if my ASSuming is correct. Also I have a very good source for laser cutting and CNC forming all in one house if your interested in a possible manufacturing contact... Is this the Saiga-12 equivalent of, "Mr. Smith I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Wesson." ? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rbrownell 0 Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Hm, is there a way to lock the bolt back on a gun that doesn't have a mag inserted? i can't help but ask about all the back and forth about bolt hold opens and mags. that i can't get in the gun without a fight. do i have the only production saiga that is very easy to load a full mag in with the bolt closed? i have 10 rd. mags and i just tilt them forward a little and pull back and its locked in, no problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeD 541 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Hm, is there a way to lock the bolt back on a gun that doesn't have a mag inserted? i can't help but ask about all the back and forth about bolt hold opens and mags. that i can't get in the gun without a fight. do i have the only production saiga that is very easy to load a full mag in with the bolt closed? i have 10 rd. mags and i just tilt them forward a little and pull back and its locked in, no problems. Get some 3 inch or even some roll crimp 2 3/4 like Wolf and try the same technique. It won't work quite the same. The longer the ammo the more interference from the bolt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrBoomstick 16 Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 This looks like a killer mod for a 3 gun saiga, but i also have a jt engineering mag well on my s12 and i am curious if it will function properly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronswin 26 Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 I've been using one of the last of the Jeric LRBHO kits for some time now for 3-gun and it really completes the Saiga-12. After shooting with the LRBHO awhile, you will feel the bolt lock back and you immediately go to rapid reload drill which is enhanced due to no resistance against that closed bolt. For rapid fire strings in competition shooting it makes the reload a damn sight faster! Someone please start production on the LRBHO kit again as I'm thinking on a second Saiga-12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vanniek71 2 Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Any updates on this? My Saiga just came in to my FFl, going to pick it up tomorrow and I think I need this for sure! I read through the thread, but JUST to make sure, I can call in and order a DIY kit? Has production started on them yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vanniek71 2 Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 nevermind found the other thread on this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Put a release lever on the left side so I don't have to hit the charging handle and I'll buy one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VanKiller 322 Posted October 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Release lever is on the right side................But the next mod may have a little input from MD Arms and it very well may have the Ambi-release lever........................... And yes we are taking orders, and verbally beating up on the production guy with the "Big" machine to knock out the first run of 5000........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinnivanhood 17 Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Love the sound of a DIY with a left side release! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vinnivanhood 17 Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 I havent heard anything on these for a while, anybody been using one that can give a review? I also wondered if there was any projected ETA on the ambi-release version? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fumes 84 Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 LRBHO + loch ness monster = non existent DBL stack mags + bigfoot = probable Jaw rippin + sag = priceless Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted December 24, 2010 Report Share Posted December 24, 2010 MIA for over two weeks. Good luck folks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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