bigj480 203 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 FYI: http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=162660 http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=138&t=163149 When it is hard to get solid answers, take it from me, RUN! The ATF will not allow 200 through and then bar all others from being imported. Either they will allow them to be imported or they won't, IMHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 So has anyone talked to Brian today? This shit seems to be getting nasty. I'm willing to hang in if Red Dragon has some kind of response. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Prolly won't be able to reach him til Monday. Im just going to wait it out. We have no reason not to trust him. As far as im concerned, nothing has changed, the deal is still on. I'm not going to stress out over a mod getting upset and locking out RDW as a vendor. It sucks we can't get updates there now, that's one thing that's changed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
valleyrat 2 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Prolly won't be able to reach him til Monday. Im just going to wait it out. We have no reason not to trust him. As far as im concerned, nothing has changed, the deal is still on. I'm not going to stress out over a mod getting upset and locking out RDW as a vendor. It sucks we can't get updates there now, that's one thing that's changed. Im going to go out on a limb and say that their complaints just may be valid. There seems to be a transparency issue with RDW concerning the details of this import, especially when you consider the quantity of dollars involved. Edited August 29, 2011 by valleyrat 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I would think that RDW would want to get out in front of this and provide some kind of official update. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Prolly won't be able to reach him til Monday. Im just going to wait it out. We have no reason not to trust him. As far as im concerned, nothing has changed, the deal is still on. I'm not going to stress out over a mod getting upset and locking out RDW as a vendor. It sucks we can't get updates there now, that's one thing that's changed. Im going to go out on a limb and say that their complaints just may be valid. There seems to be a transparency issue with RDW concerning the details of this import, especially when you consider the quantity of dollars involved. perhaps. time will tell. I may end up a fool out of his $ or I might end up with two rare shotguns. At this point I care but not that much anymore. Sure I worked hard for the $ but whats complaining going to get me. If those who put all thier money in including me get screwed over, then we wont make that mistake again will we. Im going to stay positive and have faith in the man. Still have no reason to doubt him. Hes mentioned numerous times that its taking this long due to red tape and such. I see how long it takes oleg to get parts in and how much he gets delayed on his shipments so Ive come to expect long wait periods for stuff like this. OMV. AZG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
valleyrat 2 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I really hope it works out. It took a tremendous amount of self control to keep from putting down a deposit on one. Ill be envious when you guys get your shottys. Prolly won't be able to reach him til Monday. Im just going to wait it out. We have no reason not to trust him. As far as im concerned, nothing has changed, the deal is still on. I'm not going to stress out over a mod getting upset and locking out RDW as a vendor. It sucks we can't get updates there now, that's one thing that's changed. Im going to go out on a limb and say that their complaints just may be valid. There seems to be a transparency issue with RDW concerning the details of this import, especially when you consider the quantity of dollars involved. perhaps. time will tell. I may end up a fool out of his $ or I might end up with two rare shotguns. At this point I care but not that much anymore. Sure I worked hard for the $ but whats complaining going to get me. If those who put all thier money in including me get screwed over, then we wont make that mistake again will we. Im going to stay positive and have faith in the man. Still have no reason to doubt him. Hes mentioned numerous times that its taking this long due to red tape and such. I see how long it takes oleg to get parts in and how much he gets delayed on his shipments so Ive come to expect long wait periods for stuff like this. OMV. AZG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 perhaps. time will tell. I may end up a fool out of his $ or I might end up with two rare shotguns. At this point I care but not that much anymore. Sure I worked hard for the $ but whats complaining going to get me. If those who put all thier money in including me get screwed over, then we wont make that mistake again will we. Im going to stay positive and have faith in the man. Still have no reason to doubt him. Hes mentioned numerous times that its taking this long due to red tape and such. I see how long it takes oleg to get parts in and how much he gets delayed on his shipments so Ive come to expect long wait periods for stuff like this. OMV. AZG +1 and well said Despite theakforum.net locking his subforum and pretending to be shocked they didn't know he was selling 030's (after they gave him vendor status to do just that), I still have faith this will get done. I get worried now and then because no one likes the thought of losing money, but I've said before this isn't the first time I've had to wait this long on stuff that was more expensive than a paid in full 030. Occasional nerves and inevitable delays pretty much characterize these kinds of deals with rare Russian gear. Ivan running around with your money is unfortunately part of the game. Lastly, theakforum.net's stance on this adds unnecessary fire and IMO is a poor and transparent excuse for whatever the real reason is they locked it down. Z 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Kilo 42 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Yeah I hear ya on that, pretty much the same boat/thoughts as you 2 (AZ/TX). I probably could have went without the AKF painting the members to look like idiots for patronizing one of their own vendors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lokmeup 30 Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 For those that are changing their minds AND have already purchased Izzy 8 round magwell mags.... I'll buy your mags at a reduced price... after all they are worthless in the US without the 030... $50 each seems more than fair Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Without reading pages that I've read before, how did you guys pay or put money down? Most Credit Card companies offer some level of protection against fraud in the event things fall through, even Postal Money Orders may. Were there any specific means of payment that left you with no protection? Dealing with the Russians can be a long game of wait and see, only a few cases I've seen have the end results been bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Kilo 42 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I paid via USPS money order, I'm not even trying to be in recovery mode, I'm still just waiting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Has anyone here tried calling Brian lately? I'm curious to know his position on this. If I get a chance I'll try and call tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) I spoke to Brian today after leaving a message. He called me back shortly after and was in good spirits, stating several times he was glad that I contacted him personally. At no point did he mention not discussing our conversation. Unfortunately I was in the middle of several things at work when he called back and I couldn't offer him my full attention. So I welcome his input if I get something wrong. I asked him how things were progressing with the 030s. He said slowly. He said the guns had been manufactured and should be ready to ship. He also stated that all ATF issues had been resolved. He further guaranteed that the 200 guns of this version of the 030 would be the only ones that the ATF would ever approve. I asked him what caused the delay and if there were any other problems left to resolve. Brian stated the the ATF had caused the initial delays with the shotgun study. Things were held up further by subsidiaries of Izhmash going bankrupt, changes in the corporate structure and his uncertainty about dealing with the current management. Brian stated that he anticipates management will change in the near future offering a more reliable service with regards to this transaction and future transaction with the west. I asked him if he could put a time frame on when we would see our 030s. He said he could not. He was weary about issuing further payment to the unstable corporation because he had already lost money when the original subsidiary went bankrupt. He took responsibility for the current delays, stating he could not risk anymore of his/our money on current uncertainties. He went on to say that he has several friends/connections that assure him things could change any day. When things do change it would be approximately 6 weeks before he could start shipping guns. Throughout our conversation I never suspected he was being dishonest. He was positive and respectful, answering questions without hesitation. Although he never offered specific information about the corporation that went bankrupt, I never felt the need to ask. I hope that helps all of you with questions. Edited September 1, 2011 by Bridis 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Thanks for sharing Bridis. I was thinking since pistol grips were deemed sporting he maybe had them convert them for us so we don't have to deal with unsightly linkage holes but that was just something I though I saw mentioned somewhere. Doubt it'll happen but that would be sick!! S12 izzy grips, no linkage holes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Thanks from me also, I appreciate you taking the time to post. Even better that Brian contacted you so quickly. Since theakforum.net has locked his subforum I posted your comments over there so people would have an idea of what's going on. Z Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 NP guys. It's a community effort. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sigurd 3 Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 Thanks for keeping us posted. I really appreciate it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quest84 22 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I'm waiting to see what he has to say before I take the plunge. Please post an update once Brian contacts everyone with their pre-orders. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dieb4iwake 60 Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 i just took the plunge lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I did a connon ball! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bcrider 68 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Hey guys. Long time forum stalker, first time posting. I'm in the middle of my first conversion. Waiting on Cobra to do his magic. I also just jumped in with both feet. Just received my invoice from Brian today. I've got the fever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quest84 22 Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Anybody got a call yet, nothing here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedCedarHunter 1 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Hey guys, just checking in. Never got "the call"?....anybody hear anything since Brian sent out that email? I know it's a waiting game, don't get me wrong, just curious if he followed up with anyone? I'm cool with the wait at this point. I've decided to play the NFA game with these 030s. Just forget all about them til you get your nifty little stamp! RCH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Kilo 42 Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 [gallery=I take it nobody else got calls either.........?]I take it nobody else got calls either.........?[/gallery] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quest84 22 Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Just spoke with Brian, super nice guy. He said the reason the calls are going out a little slow is due to the conversations being so long. He only has time for 3-4 of them a day. After speaking with him I completely understand since we were on the phone for at least half an hour if not more. This is not his full time gig so he is using up quite a bit of his free time doing these calls. All will make since after you speak with him as to why he hasn't been posting much information. My confidence is as high as ever that the Ver30s will be here soon enough. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Kilo 42 Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Thanks for the update, what invoice number are you? (within 5 if you don't feel comfortable saying) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quest84 22 Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 I was #20 but I don't know that, that translates to the order of calls. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PinkFloyd 63 Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Do y'all know if there are any still available that haven't been spoken for? I want to get one... assuming they ever make it into the US :/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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