Wildcatter 28 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I was wondering what would come of the US market for awesome, magazine-fed shotguns if the Saiga were no longer an option. If a US manufacturer decided to try and fill the void, what would the response need to be to succeed? Even if the Saiga 12 was an option, would you forsake your beloved Saiga for a reliable, high-capacity weapon for under a grand? How important is interchangability of parts (like stocks, pistols grips, and magazines) to you? Well, I figured I would ask these questions here, as this forum has its finger on the pulse of the current market. Feel free to expound on what a perfect, from the factory, US-built 12 gauge would need to be to get you to bite with your hard-earned dollars. Include a price point if you so desire. This should be interesting. Thanks, ---Catter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmzzl 146 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 If the S12 was being made here in the US, no import bans right? I think they should make a million of them, and sell them for $400-500. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Scratch 91 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Much like the US-made AK receiver market for the 7.62 & 5.45, a US made AK 12ga should follow the original receiver design very closely. factory pistol grip and folding stock would be options, of course, since it is domestic firearm. I think a gun like this would probably cost $700-$800 for excellent quality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Where do I pre-order? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wildcatter 28 Posted March 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) This poll was started purely out of curiosity but, I would love to say, PREORDER HERE for the newest, most bad a$$ 12 gauge to ever hit the civilian market! I just hoped to flush a few of our manufacturers out to maybe give some insight into their capabilities and to guage interest into a prospective market. (If anyone wants to tool up, let me know. Lets discuss. I have ideas for a a new, patentable gas system). I personally would love to buy a semi AA12, but with the mags non-existent/expensive/proprietary and a price tag of over 2 grand, I won't be joining that waiting list any time soon. ---Catter Edited March 19, 2011 by Wildcatter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guns Are Great 140 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) I would love to see an american version of the 030 s12 version with affordable mags and drums! you know a 12-16 rd mag less than $30 bucks! 10 rd less than $25 and 8 rd say $15-20! Edited March 19, 2011 by Guns Are Great Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackback 135 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Bolt, Bolt Carrier, Trunnion and Front Gas Block are the rate limiting parts. Get the bolts and carriers here in number and the others should not be too hard to investment cast. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 The American version would surely cost quite a bit more unless the parts were made in China/Mexico and the gun was assembled in America. Never-the-less I would be interested in a US version. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wildcatter 28 Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 You know. the drums for our Saiga 12s don't exist anywhere but here in the U S of A. Correct me if I'm wrong but these guns are built and fielded with 8-round mags in Russia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
minnpatriot 5 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 none of the options you gave us.....an exact copy but for less than $800 certainly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oliver28732 2 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 none of the options you gave us.....an exact copy but for less than $800 certainly. +1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gremlinx 20 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 All will rock until the patent attorneys attack the us company.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wildcatter 28 Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 All will rock until the patent attorneys attack the us company.. All will rock until the DD decisions come douwn from the ATF brass..... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roachtron 49 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) Under $800 in converted format sounds about right. If china can get a license to manufacture the russian su-27 fighter jet, I'm sure a company could get permission to make the saiga 12. Edited March 19, 2011 by roachtron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 You know. the drums for our Saiga 12s don't exist anywhere but here in the U S of A. Correct me if I'm wrong but these guns are built and fielded with 8-round mags in Russia. they have drums in other countries 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volkov 318 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) With U.S. unions, insurance, licensing and the rest I don't see a competitor to the low cost saiga-12 arriving anytime soon.. HOWEVER: if you can make me a reliable, ergonomic, mag fed, semi auto 12 gauge made here in the USA for a fair price.. Yeah I'd go for it. Not a big fan of giving my money to the ruskies but with the way our industry works there's just no domestic option if you want a decent product at a good price. Edited March 19, 2011 by volkov Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bagelthief 1 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 That all metal drum is fuggin KICK ASS! I know the MD-20 is reliable, but that thing just screams durability! Powder coat that sukka black and you have a deal... Im still waiting on some metal stick mags... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bagelthief 1 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I just want the 200 dollar Saiga back... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FORKLIFT352 63 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I would buy any 12 ga. Semi (or auto LOL) mag fed or drum....But would most like an AR platform. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) Ill market the shit out of it. if you can keep the cost below 1200 bucks, im all over it, dude!!! (i can probably help you with some legal questions as well) edit : a manufacturers license aint a big friggin deal, either, if you got the bucks Edited March 19, 2011 by BVamp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I just want the 200 dollar Saiga back... I want $2.00 gallons of gas back while your at it...lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I just want the 200 dollar Saiga back... I want $2.00 gallons of gas back while your at it...lol even though i remember bitching about 96 cent gas when i was a kid filling my ATV up, my dad got a quick stab in and bitched about 15 cents a gallon gas when he was a kid... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 You know. the drums for our Saiga 12s don't exist anywhere but here in the U S of A. Correct me if I'm wrong but these guns are built and fielded with 8-round mags in Russia. they have drums in other countries The Russian guns have mag-wells, kinda makes it hard to load up a drum into a mag-well... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevin.rose0@gmail.com 62 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Could you do a 12 gauge upper on a .308 lower like the LMT308 or Knight's SR25? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) If it was built with several improvements as factory standard items and the quality was high enough out of the box-yes. That said-it looks like both CMMG and (forgive me) AA, have both bailed on like projects. It's funny, everybody and their brother seems to be making AR's but not one is doing AK platforms or a cross-breed of the two. Edited March 19, 2011 by 6500rpm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevin.rose0@gmail.com 62 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Various things I have seen posted suggest that people don't want to spend a pile of money on engineering and prototypes and tooling only to have it declared a DD because Eric Holder had a bad day at work. That said, I'd still like one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
headshot 52 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I think it would be better if manufacturers made parts to make a US saiga-type shotgun. Stuff like barrels, gas blocks, and trunions. NoDak could make lowers. For someone to make a complete S12-type of shotgun they would have to charge a lot, and if not, they would anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 The Russian guns have mag-wells, kinda makes it hard to load up a drum into a mag-well... thats a vepr, but the same thing works on the saiga, and not all russian guns have mag wells Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 If it was built with several improvements as factory standard items and the quality was high enough out of the box-yes. That said-it looks like both CMMG and (forgive me) AA, have both bailed on like projects. It's funny, everybody and their brother seems to be making AR's but not one is doing AK platforms or a cross-breed of the two. My sig556 is somewhat of a crossbreed of the AR and AK. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zambidis 90 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I have S12s already so what a new gun would have to offer would be different than if I didn't. If I didn't I would be looking (after considerations of reliability, quality, etc) at price and what after market parts were available, or likely to be, namely magazines. If someone were to make a US made box fed gun I would not want to see a replica of the S12. I would rather see a new platform with enhancements. The main things I would like, straight insert/drop free mags, LRBHO, ambidextrous controls (although I would settle for simply improved controls). Other nice things would be a flat top rail so I can mount optics, ghost rings or whatever I like. Essentially the things people go to effort to put on S12s. As much as I love my S12 I see there being a lot of room for an improved design I'm actually interested in the gun ATI supposedly will be importing, the AR look alike. I think I would prefer a US platform more akin to something like that but with notable enhancements to that desing as well. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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