RABIDFOX50 6 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 I trust my S12 with Slugs and 00 Buck. I do not trust it with low brass yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tofu1998 2 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 Did you ever worry about the main spring of hammer or the long spring on the top getting weaker over time due to the stress? Granted if I don't hold the bolt open, I probably can't insert a mag in time, especially with the factory LRBHO lever in the way. What a pitty for IZH-109BHO. Springs are not stressed by compression, they are stressed by cycling. At least that is how it is supposed to work. Anyway, I suppose we should be fine as long as we can buy replacement main springs and stuff. But will keeping the bolt open cause any safety concern? Maybe I should put a sandbag where the muzzle is facing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 Did you ever worry about the main spring of hammer or the long spring on the top getting weaker over time due to the stress? Granted if I don't hold the bolt open, I probably can't insert a mag in time, especially with the factory LRBHO lever in the way. What a pitty for IZH-109BHO. Springs are not stressed by compression, they are stressed by cycling. At least that is how it is supposed to work. Anyway, I suppose we should be fine as long as we can buy replacement main springs and stuff. But will keeping the bolt open cause any safety concern? Maybe I should put a sandbag where the muzzle is facing. What could be safer than having the bolt held open with no round yet in the chamber? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tofu1998 2 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Did you ever worry about the main spring of hammer or the long spring on the top getting weaker over time due to the stress? Granted if I don't hold the bolt open, I probably can't insert a mag in time, especially with the factory LRBHO lever in the way. What a pitty for IZH-109BHO. Springs are not stressed by compression, they are stressed by cycling. At least that is how it is supposed to work. Anyway, I suppose we should be fine as long as we can buy replacement main springs and stuff. But will keeping the bolt open cause any safety concern? Maybe I should put a sandbag where the muzzle is facing. What could be safer than having the bolt held open with no round yet in the chamber? I do have to have to insert the mag. Due to the damn factory LRBHO, the top shell consistently get caught by the lever causing the shell to tip up, failing to feed. Even worse, if the bolt then strike that shell, the shell will be damaged and useless. I know I can position the top shell 1/8 inch forward, but over time the shell will slide back. Very annoying. So I will have to keep the mag inserted and bolt open. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glennhmd 23 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) i absolutely trust my S12 with my life. this is the very first gun i ever had and fired, although acquisition was followed very closely with getting a Marlin papoose .22 LR and just recently, an XD45 compact. after having the S12 as a first gun, the other two seemed like child's play. their recoil... well, what recoil i say. plus the S12 made me (a complete NOOB) look good and feel confident in the range even the first time out. I was knocking down 5cm targets from 25 to 35 yards with slugs (gas setting 1) and double O buck (gas setting 2). peppering torso-sized paper targets with #4 buck as well as #7 and #8 birdshot at setting 2. My initial FTE's were from using buck and birdshot on setting 1. at setting 2, my S12 ate all my crappy ammo. i just couldn't ask for more. i am now more accurate with the marlin .22 LR but would not be my first choice for defensive weapon. the XD45, well it just serves as my back-up gun to the S12. Edited April 12, 2011 by glennhmd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I have yet to mod mine, and it stovepipes low brass loads. Would it go bang with buckshot? Sure. I brought a different shotgun with me for defense while in Mississippi. That one is not mine, but mine looks very similar. What is that shaft thing under the barrel is it a flashlight holder? and is that a paper magazine? WOW pretty cool, hey just kidding around nice looking Shotgun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kliegl 304 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Well, that one isn't mine, since I don't have a picture of mine taken right now. That is the magazine under the barrel. The paper is just a tag. I like more guns than just Saigas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matt870 3 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 I trust my S12 with Slugs and 00 Buck. I do not trust it with low brass yet. you shouldn't trust low brass with your life out of any gun.... unless you are defending yourself against birds dont use birdshot 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Well, that one isn't mine, since I don't have a picture of mine taken right now. That is the magazine under the barrel. The paper is just a tag. I like more guns than just Saigas. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Absolutely! But then Red Jacket built mine! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StudentDeSaiga 2 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Well, had my first failure yesterday but now I believe it to be a combination of ~15yr old ammo and a cheap mag of ill repute. She's still flawless with factory mag and fresh shells. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
douga 0 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 If I could use both my arms then yes with 3" buck. Even though it has not had any failures with bird shot. Right now though I have to rely on my 44 mag and my glock 9mm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
douga 0 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 Oh but my Saiga 12 is still my all time favorite gun to blow shit up with though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 I trust mine with anything from Winchester Extra-lite to 3" Slugs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tbizzle 18 Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Without hesitation. This. I've pretty much eliminated any / all factory issues with my S12. It along with 20 round MD Arms drum loaded with Winchester PDX1 load is my primary "riot" HD gun with my IAC AK74 & Sig 226 as my backups. Better not be caught busting into tbizzle's house huh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
farmdog 12 Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Yes 100% Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imstrbrightside 0 Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 yes because i know ive putand can put every kind of ammo through it and it takes it with a smile, and has never had any problems. i mean everything from target loads to 00 buck to birdshot, low brass and high brass and EVERYTHING goes boom EVERYTIME. it will trust it until it fail me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AFobia 1 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 (edited) Well Im still in the troubleshooting phase but hell, once its working right...... Its lighter than my Benelli M4, has a much larger ammo capacity, and aiming is virtually not essential to hitting a target within 7 yards..... Ill grab it before I grab my HK.45 Edited August 3, 2011 by AFobia 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taseal 12 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Yes I do. but you know what... I know that 1st round in the chamber is going off without a doubt. hopefully at 10 yards I'll hit the person... if not, everything shot after that I'm lucky to have, which 99% I'll have... lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmdove 3 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Absolutely! Both my Saiga-12s would blow, clean off, the head of any zombie or other living miscreants that should have the stupidity to attack. Yuh just gotta pay attention to the gas plug position! Then it works fine! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
20nickels 21 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 I just took the LRBHO lever out of mine when I converted it. You only get one mag with it anyway so what good is it until more are available. I can still hold the bolt back for range safety using the button behind the mag catch and I no longer have to set my 1st rd forward in each mag. I do have to have to insert the mag. Due to the damn factory LRBHO, the top shell consistently get caught by the lever causing the shell to tip up, failing to feed. Even worse, if the bolt then strike that shell, the shell will be damaged and useless. I know I can position the top shell 1/8 inch forward, but over time the shell will slide back. Very annoying. So I will have to keep the mag inserted and bolt open. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raidersfan_5544 57 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 My Tromix hasn't given me any reason NOT to trust it with my life so yeah I trust it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boomstick12 11 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Shot it multiple times now, from cheap cheap Winchester all the way on up to the good stuff. ZERO problems. All's I know is, you don't want to be a bad guy and be down range of my S12 because it will work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Right now? Nope! The magazine is falling out on every shot I think I've rectified the problem, we'll have to find out next time I shoot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshi 87 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Since I havent voted yet I figured Id better give my yes vote. It will run anything, in close quarters I wouldnt want anything else! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dep411 1 Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 Right outta the box no way. After mods and break in yes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blkrifleman 3 Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 This is not about what gun you use as a HD gun only a question about would you trust it with your life. Yes, I trust it with my life. I will not elaborate on my other home defense weaponry and which I would use first. ^^^^THIS!!^^^^ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ErikTaylor 41 Posted August 21, 2011 Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 With the one I just picked up? No way. I have no idea who did the conversion work, how big the ports are, and even if it functions correctly (haven't fired it yet). However once I get inside of it and correct any issues and re-evaluate it through firing, then yes at that point I would trust it with my life. These are phenomenal weapons and once their tuned there is no stopping them! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XXXSilverXXX 11 Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 With the one I just picked up? No way. I have no idea who did the conversion work, how big the ports are, and even if it functions correctly (haven't fired it yet). However once I get inside of it and correct any issues and re-evaluate it through firing, then yes at that point I would trust it with my life. These are phenomenal weapons and once their tuned there is no stopping them! i totally agree, once you have it properly fixed up their wont be any issues, i have did not clean my gas tube for 2500 rounds once before it started making FTE's. Some people on here take them hog hunting, and sometimes hog hunts can be dangerous, so those people trust their guns with their lives. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maddawg99 0 Posted August 24, 2011 Report Share Posted August 24, 2011 I have my 20 rd drum filled with Centurian buck and ball. The Saiga loves it and is 100% reliable. My primary HD weapon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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