dph arms 88 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 We have been working a with a local company that specializes in injection molding gun stocks. We got involved with them after they had started their Saiga 6 position stock that reduces approx. 40% of the felt recoil so we have NO claim to ownership (unfortunately). It is a great stock and we got word that we will have them in stock around the 20th of June. We are preselling them on our web site, here is the link My link Scott Here is the full description: Designed specifically for all Saiga shotguns and rifles to give you increased ergonomics and weapon control. The Kicklite Tactical Saiga replacement stock is fitted with the exclusive patent pending Kick Lite Recoil Reduction System - Engineered to greatly reduce the perceived felt impact of shotgun loads. Extremely popular with female shooters, youth and smaller framed individuals and even the 'big guys' who could do with out the shoulder pain associated with a day in the field. The best combination of quality, value and versatility on the market today. Includes... 6 position tactical stock (Length of pull: 11.5" - 15"), Fully integrated and maintenance free Kick lite recoil reduction system, recoil reduction butt pad, pistol grip, sling swivel. Made in USA. Injection molded of premium grade glass filled nylon and shock absorbing elastomers. All installation hardware and tools included. No gunsmitthing. Color: BLACK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Will these be availible for converted siagas? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
purduepurdy 18 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Would be cool if sold just the stock in ar15 mil spec / commercial. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kindapointless 22 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 It is a big bag of fail if its only for unrestored saigas. If it comes off that adaptor pistol grip then I will take 3. Is it all polymer? Or a metal tube? How is the lock up between stock and tube? Is the stock standard m4 clone so a cheek pad and rear pad able to be mounted. I shoot at least 100 slugs a weekend so this is of interest to me. Does it affect the cycle of low brass at all? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fauxknight 30 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 It is a big bag of fail if its only for unrestored saigas. If it comes off that adaptor pistol grip then I will take 3. Is it all polymer? Or a metal tube? How is the lock up between stock and tube? Is the stock standard m4 clone so a cheek pad and rear pad able to be mounted. I shoot at least 100 slugs a weekend so this is of interest to me. Does it affect the cycle of low brass at all? Trying to find what I can, KLT004 is obviously not the first stock they make. Found them under Phoenix Technology. KLT001 - Mossberg KLT002 - Remingont 870 KLT003 - Winchester In other words, nothing but shotgun stocks, no seperate stock for an AR. Lifetime warranty sounds nice. Still it looke slike they might come off and attach to a standard M4 style tube, it looks like they have a spring in the tube as well, maybe thats intergral to thier functioning and the don't come apart?. Mako sells similar FAB defense buffer tubes with a recoil springs as well as the GL-Shock stock that also has one, they even make a version of the buffer tube that fits straight onto an AK 47/Saiga stamped receiver. FAB defense is Israeli though, so they're not 922r compliant parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erwos 12 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Just a note, gents: you can already buy a similar product for converted Saigas, namely the Mako recoil-reducing stock tube. Doesn't require sawing off the rear tang, and from what I can determine, uses a very similar spring-loaded system to do the recoil reduction. This isn't to throw disparagement upon the DPH system, of course, just pointing out that there's already a workable solution for the conversion crowd. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Damn... I hate the way a AR stock looks... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Damn... I hate the way a AR stock looks... Looks good on an AR, NOT on an AK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erwos 12 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 What's really annoying is that on systems like this, where you've got a fairly substantial portion of the stock assembly providing a place for the pistol grip, it shouldn't be that hard to engineer it to move the stock tube up a bit for better cheek weld. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Garys4598 1,065 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 (edited) I'm sorry but. . . I think that trigger group to pistol grip configuration is one of the severest abominations that I have ever seen. . . . . . Edited June 10, 2011 by Gary 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I would buy it if it were just the stock. I already have a pistol grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dph arms 88 Posted June 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Sorry for the slow reply....been working all day. The stock will work without the pistol grip. Here is a picture of it on an AK. Scott 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Now that'll work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Thank all that is holy! Those non-conversions chap my balls! Is there anyway you could or email me the manuf.contact info? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigastyle 0 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 I'd like to ask. What handguard rail is that? Also, I just got my saiga .223, will it fit on this rifle or rather any saiga rifle? Thanks! We have been working a with a local company that specializes in injection molding gun stocks. We got involved with them after they had started their Saiga 6 position stock that reduces approx. 40% of the felt recoil so we have NO claim to ownership (unfortunately). It is a great stock and we got word that we will have them in stock around the 20th of June. We are preselling them on our web site, here is the link My link Scott Here is the full description: Designed specifically for all Saiga shotguns and rifles to give you increased ergonomics and weapon control. The Kicklite Tactical Saiga replacement stock is fitted with the exclusive patent pending Kick Lite Recoil Reduction System - Engineered to greatly reduce the perceived felt impact of shotgun loads. Extremely popular with female shooters, youth and smaller framed individuals and even the 'big guys' who could do with out the shoulder pain associated with a day in the field. The best combination of quality, value and versatility on the market today. Includes... 6 position tactical stock (Length of pull: 11.5" - 15"), Fully integrated and maintenance free Kick lite recoil reduction system, recoil reduction butt pad, pistol grip, sling swivel. Made in USA. Injection molded of premium grade glass filled nylon and shock absorbing elastomers. All installation hardware and tools included. No gunsmitthing. Color: BLACK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ewoketeer 35 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 A point to ponder--it looks like you have to remove the rear tang for the buttstock... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyDingDongs 158 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 I'd like to ask. What handguard rail is that? Also, I just got my saiga .223, will it fit on this rifle or rather any saiga rifle? Thanks! Pretty sure that's the SGM tri-rail, made for the S12. However, they do make a virtually identical one for the Saiga rifles. I know CSS has them in stock. ~$65 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dowork1021 64 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 I'd like to ask. What handguard rail is that? Also, I just got my saiga .223, will it fit on this rifle or rather any saiga rifle? Thanks! We have been working a with a local company that specializes in injection molding gun stocks. We got involved with them after they had started their Saiga 6 position stock that reduces approx. 40% of the felt recoil so we have NO claim to ownership (unfortunately). It is a great stock and we got word that we will have them in stock around the 20th of June. We are preselling them on our web site, here is the link My link Scott Here is the full description: Designed specifically for all Saiga shotguns and rifles to give you increased ergonomics and weapon control. The Kicklite Tactical Saiga replacement stock is fitted with the exclusive patent pending Kick Lite Recoil Reduction System - Engineered to greatly reduce the perceived felt impact of shotgun loads. Extremely popular with female shooters, youth and smaller framed individuals and even the 'big guys' who could do with out the shoulder pain associated with a day in the field. The best combination of quality, value and versatility on the market today. Includes... 6 position tactical stock (Length of pull: 11.5" - 15"), Fully integrated and maintenance free Kick lite recoil reduction system, recoil reduction butt pad, pistol grip, sling swivel. Made in USA. Injection molded of premium grade glass filled nylon and shock absorbing elastomers. All installation hardware and tools included. No gunsmitthing. Color: BLACK SGM tri-rail and im pretty sure they make them for all the Saigas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigastyle 0 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Thanks guys! That takes care of the rail question. The second question I meant to ask if the kicklite stock will fit the 223 rifle since it didn't mention it on the picture? Thanks again! I'd like to ask. What handguard rail is that? Also, I just got my saiga .223, will it fit on this rifle or rather any saiga rifle? Thanks! Pretty sure that's the SGM tri-rail, made for the S12. However, they do make a virtually identical one for the Saiga rifles. I know CSS has them in stock. ~$65 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
btr 15 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 I wonder if this stock might induce malfunctions, like shooting from the hip sometimes does? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kindapointless 22 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 I had wondered that myself. Kind of how u can limp wrist it and get a fte. I am just not that well versed on how the moving of the reciver causes malfunctions but I know it does. Seems like its all about timing . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 I wonder if this stock might induce malfunctions, like shooting from the hip sometimes does? If you have malfunctions shooting from the hip, your gun isn't running right... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigastyle 0 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Bumping the thread to ask if anybody is interested in this stock setup? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kodaline 178 Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 If it doesn't look like someone slapped the ass end of a M4 on there, then yes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 (edited) Mako sells similar FAB defense buffer tubes with a recoil springs as well as the GL-Shock stock that also has one, they even make a version of the buffer tube that fits straight onto an AK 47/Saiga stamped receiver. FAB defense is Israeli though, so they're not 922r compliant parts. The buffer tube doesn't count as a 922r part. It is technically a receiver extension. The buttstock on it does count. If a USA made buttstock fits on it, you are GTG. ETA: Why is this desired on a .223 or even a 7.62x39? Recoil that bad for you guys??? Edited July 23, 2011 by MT Predator Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Castalia 19 Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) Purchased one of the Phoenix Kick Lite stock sets for the Saiga-12 from CSS. You do not have to cut or modify the tang. This stock directly replaces the factory Saiga sporting stock. If you have a converted Saiga with the FCG moved forward all you need to do is remove the pistol grip and cut off the grip hanger. Just found out that there is an AK47 stock available, no cutting. The stock is adjustable from 11"to 15'' The mount is a glass filled nylon type. The action is cast and machined aluminum. There is a spring action with about 3/4" of travel. The stock has a 1" thick recoil pad that is almost like a gel pad. Very comfortable. I took the identical set up to the picture posted below to the range and fired 100 Wally World Winchester low brass using the CSS low recoil reliabilty kit without a single failure to feed, failure to fire, or failure to eject. I fired most from the shoulder and felt no recoil. I also fired from the hip with no failures. There were no issues with the stock absorbing too much recoil to operate the weapon. The only issue I had was not using blue locktite on the mounting screws and they came loose. Used the locktite after cleaning and should have no further problems. Went to the range the following saturday and the stock screws did not loosen. Locktite is a great product. I used SGM 5 round Mag and SGM 12 round mag and a ProMag 20 round that my son brought. My Saiga is a 108 with the 19" barrel with three gas port holes. I am thinking about converting the FCG. JMHO of a well made stock set that I recommended to my son and a couple of other friends. Your mileage may vary, Castalia Edited July 30, 2011 by Castalia Quote Link to post Share on other sites
setlab 11 Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) never mind Edited July 24, 2011 by setlab Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beerasaurus 9 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 What's the price for the converted, stock-only version? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dph arms 88 Posted August 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 What's the price for the converted, stock-only version? $79.99 and available CLICK HERE TO ORDER Scott Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Castalia 19 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I called the factory and found out that the buffer tube assembly is "commercial size" so any commercial size stock will apparently fit and work on this recoil absortion assembly. Castalia Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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