They're turning off the Internet tomorrow!!!

[cvhanh20 1,052]

If this happened and it could! What would we do? We lived without it before it came along, but now, no net! This is something that we the people should prepare for. All of us gun toter's would be severed from each other in a single second. What would be a good way for the gun community to stay in touch, and up to date, any ideas?

[scoutjoe 276]

Thats why I try to keep up with local members...course round here there arn't too many...

[janusthephoenix 24]

Meet up in Silicon Valley. They gots a whole mess o' internet out in Californee.

[bullseyeboy 11]

Hey Cameron, it's funny but I've been thinking about the same thing for a few weeks now and how much it would suck if it happened.

Personally I don't know what I would do without the vast knowledge of forums like this one and a couple others I visit. Anything AK related would have to be totally trial and error for me, because I only have one friend that I see face to face that owns an AK based weapon.

I don't usually stay "in touch" with other gun collectors on the internet for some reason, probably because it's easier for me to talk to and read someone face to face, but the thought of losing what little interaction I have on the internet is a concern for me.

Oh yeah, I haven't thought up any solutions to such a scary possibility.

 

Bullseyeboy-

[zenmetsu 17]

If this happened and it could! What would we do? We lived without it before it came along, but now, no net! This is something that we the people should prepare for. All of us gun toter's would be severed from each other in a single second. What would be a good way for the gun community to stay in touch, and up to date, any ideas?

 

This is an interesting scenario.

 

A lot of us know people in our cities who have guns and like to shoot. If SHTF, and the interwebz got turned off in an attempt to disrupt civilian communication, you could still head to the local range and run across a few people and discuss plans, etc.

 

There is still the phone system, provided that it does not get whacked as well.

 

Someone really should write a survival guide for the masses and plan out almost every conceivable scenario and how to deal with it.

[Azrial 1,091]

The nature of the Internet makes such a thing difficult and unlikely. Also considering the amount of government and business communications that regularly occurs on the Internet makes it even more unlikely.

[shades_of_grey 1,092]

Meet up in Silicon Valley. They gots a whole mess o' internet out in Californee.

 

lol You posted it before I could, Janus.

 

I'm not sure what I'd do without "teh interwebz". Like many others, I've become pretty dependent on it for some things, (like gun parts).

[aresv 49]

The internet is resilient. Damage is isolated, and traffic routes around it. Look at what happened recently in Iran: there was a rigged election in a totalitarian regime, yet people were still able to organize via the internet against it. Not that it did much, but they were able to communicate and organize.

 

Short of a TEOTWAWKI scenario with no more electricity, I think the internet will survive one way or another. It will take resourcefulness. It will take individual geeks, taking risks to keep things running, but it'll work out.

[Shandlanos 1,470]

The nature of the internet makes it nearly impossible to destroy it. Connections can be blocked or even severed, but the beast has billions of heads. I'm not even sure what you mean by "turning off the internet". If you mean a coordinated effort by every government on earth to simultaneously disable every major connection, well... How will they coordinate it without the internet? If you mean just our country, well, that'd be pretty damned difficult, with satellite connections being what they are. Then think about the massive damage done to the worldwide economy by such an action... Totally impractical. But hey, if we operate on the premise that it could happen, this could be a fun thread anyway!

 

So, on that note, I think one of the best ways to get in contact with people is doing business with them. I've purchased a lot of stuff from other forum members, a few of whom I've also spoken to on the phone. If you've shipped stuff back and forth, you have each others' names and addresses, and you have a basis from which to judge if the person is legit. I have a habit of keeping boxes around for storage, and generally the shipping labels are intact.

 

With that information in hand, assuming you do not have someone's phone number as well, you can call 411, or, if that service is down, random local residential or business numbers until you find someone willing to look up a number in the phone book for you. If you do not know the local area code, many cell phones (regardless of having a connection) will identify the state you are calling by the area code you enter, and by trial and error you can find an area code within the desired state; from there, the first person you contact can tell you if you are calling the correct area code, and possibly provide you with the correct code for the area you are attempting to reach. That last bit may sound impractical or weird, but people can be surprisingly accommodating, especially if you are polite.

 

It may be more practical on reaching a residence or business, rather than asking someone to look up another residential number for you, to simply ask for the number to a local hotel, especially one that prides itself on guest service (such as Embassy Suites, Double Tree, Hilton). If you can contact one of these places, ask to be transferred to guest services. They are very likely to help you without question, and will gladly look up a local number for you in the yellow pages. It's a complicated method, but very likely to work in the event that the internet does not work (which would probably mean that 411 is useless, I would imagine they use an off-site database). Clearly this will work best for someone in a city large enough to have hotels, small towns make it much less likely you'll be able to contact someone in their area just by knowing the area code. It's not perfect, and there's a great deal of room for error and wasting time, but hopefully it would get you the information you needed eventually, and get you in contact with the forum member.

 

Of course, on the local side of things, knowing your local gun people is a start. I'm assuming in this sort of situation that going to gun stores or shooting ranges is right out, as clearly they won't be safe. So, your best bet is to call all the gun people you know and arrange small meetings in parks, residences, or other places not specifically associated with arms or defense. Beyond that, I'll leave theoretical coordination to minds more organized than mine.

[bigcec1 72]

Wow that would suck would have to go back to what snail mail how do you snail mail porn though ?

[krusader 1]

Bravo to the poster who brought this up, you are thinking, unlike the GDP (generally dumb public) the truth is it will happen before we know it, there is a sense of security that comes from talking to other people who own not only saiga's but other guns, and who seem to have an understanding and appreciation of our most important and sacred right. The right of self defense.

However the power will go off and the internet will go on, it doesn't matter who thinks it will happen or not.

Now I like you have pondered this question and have told people I think really love freedom (not the talkers) but the doer's.

I have ask them for their phone numbers and actually to formulate a plan to have a RP (rallying point) to meet if we had to stand and defend our freedom.

Most of them just shrugged it off and said naw it won't happen, so they live like most sheep and think things will always go on like they always have. I keep searching and finding those few who will really prepare.

If you can, read the book patriots by James Rawles.

And check out survival blog.com and read all you can.

We must unite and not just casually on the internet.

Thanks again so much for making us all think about how fragile our codependent and interdependent system is.

One day the plug will be pulled and only those who have made a plan and prepared and follow through with the execution of that plan will survive.

[VanKiller 322]

Bring it on Brother............I'm hopin for the end of civilization before I'm too old to enjoy it........

 

Got to get another pallet of sandbags for the bunker first........

[Vultite 57]

ok...a little random but...

 

1) PANIC!! PORN CONNECTION CUT!!!

2) As the world itself falls into Apocolypse, steal the most armoured vehicle you can find and fill it with ammo, food , and women.

3) Drive that vehicle to my house for delivery

[DogMan 2,343]

The concept of the internet was that communication would be maintained during and following a cataclysmic event or even a series of such events simultaniously. Picture a giant fine mesh screen made up of fine wires running north and south and east and west. You can blow as many holes in it as you want but there is always going to be a connecting route around each hole even if it has to backtrack, do zag zags, or loop-d-loops. If power to any one portion of the grid is cut, its the same thing, it just takes another route. In other words, there is nowhere for anybody to go or anything anybody can do to turn off the internet other than to destroy civilization itself.

[Paulyski 2,227]

Some of the worlds most intelligent mathmaticions, code breakers & hackers in multiple countrys including ours are working on how to kill each others country's internet as we speak. Didn't Russia launch an E-War on their neighbor Georgia?

 

No government would ever try to kill their own web because it is a tool of populous control.

[thehopping1 105]

We could organize local events and get to know each other better. I've been noticing more and more Arizona people on this forum and wouldn't mind going out and "shooting the shit" with them. Maybe we could talk the forum gods into a local section where we could plan events or get togethers like on other forums. Just my random thoughts.

[waynebar 52]

This link will answer many questions posed about shutting down the internet.

 

http://www.newscientist.com/special/unknown-internet

[Ronswin 26]

CB Radio?

Edited August 26, 2009 by Ronswin

[Rockina 60]

10-4 Good Buddy....... ..jus keep an eyeball on them DC MoFos.

[tover26 18]

Several internet trunks ran through Manhattan and were severed by the Twin Towers. A number of my customer sites in NYC had their connections slow to 1990's style dial up bandwidth, but there were 2 issues going on... the severing and re-routing, and everyone moving to news sites to see what the hell was going on.

 

I think more likely than the internet going down (which I can only imagine in an end of the world scenario or regionally for a regional crisis like Katrina in New Orleans) would be the internet being so compromised that no one could use it for anything useful... Cam's question is a good one, if instant messaging and the different search engines and related services became unusable or untrustworthy... things that blocked communication on the web, I guess I'd look for a simple older-tech forum or bulletin board on the web to post something like "S12 Member Seeking S12 members in MD. Will be here on date/time. Come wearing one of Juggernauts tshirts and I'll ID myself to you."

 

So many telecommunications run on the internet or are reliant on the internet that I'd have to imagine POTS being overwhelmed by civillian traffic. I think most gov and EMS stuff routes to satellite systems during a crisis right? Being here in DC, the instant Pentagon was hit all cell phone service in this entire region was either immediately tied up by gov/mil/LE/emergency services or was choked by everyone trying to call everyone else. So, I don't think cell phones survive an internet outage.

 

The Postal Service is too slow for emergency communications like "Cam, send me 10 Warthogs!" Honestly though, the only thing I can really think of would be for S12 to have a published/mailed newsletter with a classifieds section for people to post messages and transact business.

[termite 463]

Homing Pigeons, but my luck would be that some asshat would shoot it down, read the note taped to it's leg, turn the note over to big brother, I get hauled off to da big house, all while they are frying up my bird in the pan for dinner. :)

[IndyArms 10,186]

Personally, I think it would be a FINE THING... Turn it off today for all I care... Yes, It would make it harder for me to buy things, but in retrospect, I may save a LOT more money than I do now... I am willing to bet a LOT more kids globally would have to go back to the days of... (SHUDDER) going OUTSIDE to play and actually making human friends they can interact with in PERSON!!

 

Would it be an inconvenience... sure... would it be like living in the 70's again? yeah... but so what? Lots of us did. Things were OK back then, too...

 

I dont see the big deal.

 

hell... even the colonists were able to organize and mobilize... and all they had was horses, pigeons, and word of mouth... that was more than 200 years ago... Electricity wasnt even a twitch in Thomas Edison's great great granddaddy's pants yet...

 

 

[cvasqu03 21]

CB would probably be the best way to go. They're cheap and relatively easy to get. Heck, I've never used one and even I have a brand new one I bought at Radio shack in case I ever need it. I set it up so I could plug it in and attach it to a removable magnetic mount antenna if I ever had to.

[Pointer 21]

If they turned off the tv i wouldnt even know for days,i rarely turn it on,nothing but mindless junk.I might go into withdrawal if i had no internet tho.If it was turned off by the government to stop communication for something sinister ,i do belong to a gun collectors club with over 1000 local members that could be wrangled up for a impromptu meeting

[elvis christ 451]

HAM radio, or smoke signals.

[Toby Allen 0]

Bring it on Brother............I'm hopin for the end of civilization before I'm too old to enjoy it........

 

Got to get another pallet of sandbags for the bunker first........

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I'm saying.......come on 2012

[longhorn 81]

The prudent would have a contingency plan already in place. Think about every situation possible, such as, EMP attacks etc. Take this into consideration.......SITUATION: The current gov. regime is unfriendly toward gun owners, and plans to implement draconian measures to restrict gun ownership, restrict ammo purchasing, or entirely abolish ownership beyond the failed 1994 assult weapons ban. When coupled with failed economic policy of the continued bailout programs offerd to large corporations, the future will most definitely turn hostile for the majority of the population as survival becoms more important than prestige. This is on top of a looming ban on SUV's, and given the immensely inflated stimulus package, an eventual grab on registered gold to pay for the paper currency. The most likely turn of events involves riots, gang disturbances, border drug war bleed over, Federal or State gun grabs, SUV confiscation, with all of it eventually developing into a police state that mirrors the Soviet and Nazi regimes.

 

Everyone in all three of my squads have a certian skill that they are masters at. They have all been selected very carefully. All are marksman. All are survivalist. All are commited.

 

RECOMMENDED READING:

Light Infantry Tactics: For Small Teams, Christopher E. Larsen

Anything by Don Paul: Everybody's Outdoor Survival Guide

The Green Beret's Compass Course

Everybody's Knife Bible

Great Livin' In Grubby Times

The Rifle Rules

SAS Survival Handbook

SMCT 21-1, Soldiers Manual of Common Tasks

Boston's Gun Bible, Boston T. Party

Ranger Handbook

FM 17-98 Scout Platoon Manual

FM 7-1 Infantry Platoon Manual

www.survialblog.com

www.therangerdigest.com

www.survival-books.com

 

And most importantly.........GOD'S HOLY BIBLE

 

Good luck gentlemen

[Paulyski 2,227]

I used to be into CBs. If you go that route you will need to build a beam antenna & hook up a linear amplafier to it. (if you want any range to speak of) The FCC gets pretty pissed if you do that though.

 

Ham radios however will reach half way around the world. The CIA & KGB still use them. They play static like redundant recordings & music in code.

 

I miss the good old days. I actually signed up as an Radioman when I enlisted because of my experience with these not so obsolete technologies.

 

All you need is a big battery & your equipment.

Easy stuff.

Edited August 26, 2009 by Paulyski

[Juggernaut 11,054]

50,000 unstoppable watts!!!

 

You can't stop the signal!!!!

[Twinsen 86]

Correct! The answer is: illegally get servers running. They can fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu$*# themselves.