Bvamp 604 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Im not doing this as an endorsement because I work there, but the RTS-ZK12 and RTS Zk410 shotguns are exactly the setup I have handled that I prefer. second to that, would be the same thing with a 14" barrel and intergrated Cutts. The guys in the shop hate the cutts, but I like the damn thing on the short barrel guns perm. attached, myself. If I were to change anything, Id change the sights to a scout rail and compact red dot setup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HART1 92 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 This one here from SaigaTech gets my vote. I had to clean up the drool from my desk after seeing this SaigaTech. Wow!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tim2shu 48 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 What type of stock is that on saigatechs gun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
702Saiga12 6 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 i love those SVDS folders. I have one waiting for my VER 030 whenever they finally ger here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 What type of stock is that on saigatechs gun It is an ak100 folder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tbizzle 18 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 In my humble opinion the best would be what satisfies the particular owner. In just the few weeks I have been on this forum iI have been put down buy other members because I stated I liked the stock import trigger and did not want to move the FCR forward. Some people seem to think this is a sacrelege, but it is really dependent upon the weapon and the owner. As we all know some Saigas preform better out of the box than others. I have 5 AKs with the forward the trigger groups and my Saiga 12 with the linkage trigger is sweeter than any of them.Unless something wears and it changes I would not consider changing it. Why fix it if it ain't broke? Just my 2 cents worth but you guys need to back of on that one has to be converted to be a decent Saiga? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 For beauty, I say Saigatech's legion clone And this one too; I love my S12 but there's really nothing hotter than SaigaTech's creations, plus he's a metalworking genius to boot. A true artisan, I'd love to own one of those krink S12's Z 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Hartley 526 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 I know I'm biased, but Robert just built this gun for himself, 11 inch with all aluminum parts done in pewter and some points on the end of the handguard so you can breach with it or poke the guy in the eye when you run out of ammo! Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geepelton 105 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 I like R&R targets guns. The red one is awesome looking, guess I just like the race gun look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Castalia 19 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) In my humble opinion the best would be what satisfies the particular owner. In just the few weeks I have been on this forum iI have been put down buy other members because I stated I liked the stock import trigger and din not want to move the FCR forward. Some people seem to think this is a sacrslege but it is really dependent upon the weapon and the owner. As we all know some Saigas preform better out of the box than others. I have 5 AKs with the forward the trigger group and my Saiga 12 with the linkage trigger is sweeter than any of them. Unless something wears and it changes I would not consider changing it. Why fix it if it ain't broke? Just my 2 cents worth but you guys need to back of on one has to be converted to be a decent Saiga? Unconverted Saiga 12s are common and we do not care of you like yours in nuetered configuration. You will not convince any of us who own converted S12s that they are already perfect from the factory. We know better. The market does not lie. If unconverted Saiga 12s were the "best" why would so many people spend so much time and money making them badass? Here we go. Let's ask the viewing body of the forum which of the following S12s looks "Best'er". The unconverted or the converted? Let's be fair. You can bolt all the stuff you want onto an unconverted FCG and still have a mighty fine weapon. Here's mine. Just added an Autoplug and a Bushnell Red Dot. A mighty fine weapon that eats any and all ammo I put in her. I have named her "Necessity". Edited August 10, 2011 by Castalia Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taseal 12 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Is this a question? without a doubt, mine is lol... I think it really is a sexy looking shotgun though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 It is^^ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 In my humble opinion the best would be what satisfies the particular owner. In just the few weeks I have been on this forum iI have been put down buy other members because I stated I liked the stock import trigger and din not want to move the FCR forward. Some people seem to think this is a sacrslege but it is really dependent upon the weapon and the owner. As we all know some Saigas preform better out of the box than others. I have 5 AKs with the forward the trigger group and my Saiga 12 with the linkage trigger is sweeter than any of them. Unless something wears and it changes I would not consider changing it. Why fix it if it ain't broke? Just my 2 cents worth but you guys need to back of on one has to be converted to be a decent Saiga? Unconverted Saiga 12s are common and we do not care of you like yours in nuetered configuration. You will not convince any of us who own converted S12s that they are already perfect from the factory. We know better. The market does not lie. If unconverted Saiga 12s were the "best" why would so many people spend so much time and money making them badass? Here we go. Let's ask the viewing body of the forum which of the following S12s looks "Best'er". The unconverted or the converted? Let's be fair. You can bolt all the stuff you want onto an unconverted FCG and still have a mighty fine weapon. Here's mine. Just added an Autoplug and a Bushnell Red Dot. A mighty fine weapon that eats any and all ammo I put in her. I have named her "Necessity". I personally think that there are reasons Mr. Kalishnikov designed things the way he did, and this is not his design, however a Saiga 12 is a Saiga 12 regardless of where the trigger is, such an awesome weapon! I would also think that a sporter trigger is open to more problems due to more parts, and you are giving up some of the legendary dependability. IMHO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 In my humble opinion the best would be what satisfies the particular owner. In just the few weeks I have been on this forum iI have been put down buy other members because I stated I liked the stock import trigger and din not want to move the FCR forward. Some people seem to think this is a sacrslege but it is really dependent upon the weapon and the owner. As we all know some Saigas preform better out of the box than others. I have 5 AKs with the forward the trigger group and my Saiga 12 with the linkage trigger is sweeter than any of them. Unless something wears and it changes I would not consider changing it. Why fix it if it ain't broke? Just my 2 cents worth but you guys need to back of on one has to be converted to be a decent Saiga? Unconverted Saiga 12s are common and we do not care of you like yours in nuetered configuration. You will not convince any of us who own converted S12s that they are already perfect from the factory. We know better. The market does not lie. If unconverted Saiga 12s were the "best" why would so many people spend so much time and money making them badass? Here we go. Let's ask the viewing body of the forum which of the following S12s looks "Best'er". The unconverted or the converted? Let's be fair. You can bolt all the stuff you want onto an unconverted FCG and still have a mighty fine weapon. Here's mine. Just added an Autoplug and a Bushnell Red Dot. A mighty fine weapon that eats any and all ammo I put in her. I have named her "Necessity". I think you are missing the point here. Most, if not all of us, know that an unconverted Saiga 12 can run well, hunt well, defend well, etc.. This thread is about the "BEST looking Saiga 12 shotgun". Unconverted Saiga 12s do not fall in the best looking category IMO. Not knocking your S12, but you are missing the point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I agree with Evl about that, I thought my unconverted S12 was badass for a while. Then I came here and realized how goofy it looked compared to to others. I converted it and have been very happy with the results. So if the thread is about looks, than my opinion is that unconverted guns don't apply. But on the other hand beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I don't blame you guys for loving your guns. It's just if you were to "behold" it converted you would agree with me. Not bashing just giving my opinion. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tbizzle 18 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Unconverted Saiga's fall in the "Ugly as Hell" category 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Chalk up another vote for SaigaTech's S12 "krink"....followed closely IMO by an authentic S12 ver. 030 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 In my humble opinion the best would be what satisfies the particular owner. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Plenty of great looking S12s out there and nice products to bolt on them. The big question with all of them is, does the fucker run? I don't care if it has paint or not and if the furniture is made of dried dog turds as long as it will run right and stay together doing so. Now why the hell would anyone boast up their gun if if didn't run right? Don't you remember that shitty feeling the first time you pulled the trigger and it didn't cycle? I do. There are plenty of postings in this forum with the "Look what I made" photos of weapons that have plenty of bolt on parts but nothing else substantially done to it to make it reliable or efficient to run. Mine is a shooter not a safe queen so it gets dinged up and scratched. Not a big deal to me because it runs right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.40isthenew.45 1 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 For beauty, I say Saigatech's legion clone Can anybody ID and point me to the retail source for the foregrip pictured above? Thanks in advance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MindRiot 83 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 it looks like a psl/fpk hand set that has been refinished. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 It's an SVD handguard, the Russians use them on some versions of the S12. Z Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 To back my point up, a member just posted some "great" gallery pics. Can't tell whether it's a fashion show or a display of firearms. That's what I call posing big time. Doesn't even look like he's close to a firing range. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) To back my point up, a member just posted some "great" gallery pics. Can't tell whether it's a fashion show or a display of firearms. That's what I call posing big time. Doesn't even look like he's close to a firing range. I need one of those Armani hats and some Aviators .... maybe some snazzy shoes and a vest too. Gotta see what the wife has that she doesn't mind me borrowing. MT, I feel ya man. Wow.... just.... wow Edited August 11, 2011 by evlblkwpnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 i didnt get the bill for his outfit so i really couldn't give less of a fuck about it, but those are some nice veprs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CBR Shadow 53 Posted August 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 To back my point up, a member just posted some "great" gallery pics. Can't tell whether it's a fashion show or a display of firearms. That's what I call posing big time. Doesn't even look like he's close to a firing range. haha I just saw those and laughed at the posing, but I do like his guns. What muzzle brake is that on his guns? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Hey y'all give the guy a break will ya? He obviously loves these guns as much as we do, and that's some pretty kickass custom iron dude is showin off. Maybe I'll post some pics of my favorite S-12 conversions I've seen too if I can get my other computer back online with my picture files.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Hey y'all give the guy a break will ya? He obviously loves these guns as much as we do, and that's some pretty kickass custom iron dude is showin off. Maybe I'll post some pics of my favorite S-12 conversions I've seen too if I can get my other computer back online with my picture files.... Will ya dress up and pose with them for us? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 I'm kinda partial to mine.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Hey y'all give the guy a break will ya? He obviously loves these guns as much as we do, and that's some pretty kickass custom iron dude is showin off. Maybe I'll post some pics of my favorite S-12 conversions I've seen too if I can get my other computer back online with my picture files.... Will ya dress up and pose with them for us? Wear something sexy for Daddy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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